The 'winner' of this VP debate will be the one whose words hold up to scrutiny

[bigtree]

...it's not enough to claim you dominated a debate if the substance of what you've said is revealed to be demonstratively false.

Pence's denials of Trump's words will come back to bite him on each and every instance he denied Trump's statements. THAT's what's going to drive coverage of this encounter, not whining about 'interrupting' those lies.

[drray23]

1. That's exactly my take on it as well

We are going to see ads with pence shaking his head juxtaposed with clips of him or Trump saying exactly what he denied.

[bigtree]

2. count on it

...likely by morning.

[blue cat]

3. That is why

Kaine won. Pence looked like a wooden bobble head doll except shakes his head no and frowns.

[wishstar]

4. Pence was totally dishonest denying Trump has said all those outrageous things!

Now many Americans realize Pence is just as much a pathological liar as Trump, just calmer and slicker and more cunning in his dishonesty

[bigtree]

5. slicker

...good word.

[4lbs]

6. I said in several other threads that this week we will see campaign ads to this effect.

Kaine: "Trump said ...."

Pence: "No he didn't!"

show video of Trump saying it.


---or----


Kaine: "You said ....."

Pence: "No I didn't!"

show video of Pence saying or doing it.



BAM!

[ailsagirl]

7. Though many (most) people declared HRC winner of first debate...

it took a few days for everything to fall into place-- sort of like it needed to "steep" for awhile, then the clean winner can emerge.

[AmericanActivist]

8. True. People can have their opinions but if those

opinions are presented as facts then it makes them frauds! Especially when they are on video saying the thing they claim they never said.

[onenote]

9. No one will remember or care about this debate after two more Clinton/Trump debates

This almost certainly is a nothing burger in the great scheme of things.

[bigtree]

13. it was a chance for the GOP establishment to present a credible or compelling case

...for their politics or policy.

Their Trump prophylactic failed to contain the mess already made on the republican brand, and should convince voters there's nothing that party has to offer them.

[ecstatic]

10. Exactly! I feel like Kaine won flat out and the post debate clips

prove it.

[spanone]

11. here's some scrutiny....

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/04/politics/fact-check-vice-presidential-debate/index.html

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