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ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 11:20 PM Oct 2016

10 Ways White Liberals Perpetuate Racism

The whole article is interesting; here's a snippet.

Like many 40-something White liberals, I too assume I’m relatively open-minded and conscious of my white privilege. “I’m not a racist,” I say to myself, when images of police brutality flash on the screen. “I’m not like those white people.”

Or am I?


I wanted to include more, but my phone is being frustrating. 😃

http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/10/white-liberals-perpetuate-racism/

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10 Ways White Liberals Perpetuate Racism (Original Post) ZombieHorde Oct 2016 OP
Because it's much more complicated than just treating everyone the same, Nye Bevan Oct 2016 #1
Lots of ink spilled these days cheapdate Oct 2016 #2
The article is for those who wish decrease inequality. ZombieHorde Oct 2016 #32
If you say so. cheapdate Oct 2016 #36
White people can't win The2ndWheel Oct 2016 #3
It's such a tough life being white mwrguy Oct 2016 #4
Take it up with the white guy who wrote the article The2ndWheel Oct 2016 #8
#4 in the list says it's bad for a white person to take a homeless black guy to dinner, Nye Bevan Oct 2016 #5
And then the article asks "what happens when he steals from you?" muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #16
Thank you Bucky Oct 2016 #41
Millennials seem know that in the smallest of words is where the greatest of pain lies rusty quoin Oct 2016 #6
And then they vote Trump lame54 Oct 2016 #10
By favoring Hillary by a wide margin? Act_of_Reparation Oct 2016 #13
maybe i'm getting bad info... lame54 Oct 2016 #17
USA Today poll dated 8/15/16 shows millennials favoring Hillary 50% - 20% Act_of_Reparation Oct 2016 #23
yeah....the ones who are actually voting davidn3600 Oct 2016 #30
Neither of which is voting for Trump. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2016 #35
over-invoking racism can also make the issue worse Albertoo Oct 2016 #7
Do you feel that is what the author is doing in the article, ZombieHorde Oct 2016 #33
Yes, I do, by the very topic Albertoo Oct 2016 #51
A worthy read. LWolf Oct 2016 #9
Racism isn't limited to just white people Cakes488 Oct 2016 #11
Racism is a power dynamic ismnotwasm Oct 2016 #21
If you thought about that for 5 seconds, you would realize it's non-sense Taitertots Oct 2016 #28
Ah. The dictionary ismnotwasm Oct 2016 #44
It is that simple Taitertots Oct 2016 #49
A white liberal came up with that definition of racism romanic Oct 2016 #38
Not a definition, rather a description ismnotwasm Oct 2016 #45
Nothing about jamzrockz Oct 2016 #12
How do you think this article is damaging race relations? nt ZombieHorde Oct 2016 #34
I'll answer that. romanic Oct 2016 #37
Did the article inflame racial bigotry in you? nt ZombieHorde Oct 2016 #39
No. romanic Oct 2016 #40
The average reader of Everyday Feminism, where I found the article, ZombieHorde Oct 2016 #43
Many people claim simply talking about racism inflames racial bigotry LanternWaste Oct 2016 #46
The whole article says there's no discussion to be had The2ndWheel Oct 2016 #48
Yep. romanic Oct 2016 #52
Well said. Albertoo Oct 2016 #53
The only thing I object to is Shankapotomus Oct 2016 #14
"Racism just won’t die, because its roots are deep." yallerdawg Oct 2016 #15
Unrelated but I was looking at the suggested stories on that page. romanic Oct 2016 #18
This sounds like it was written by some psychologist with less than Exilednight Oct 2016 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Oct 2016 #20
This is an excellent read ismnotwasm Oct 2016 #22
Denial and defensiveness are two of the most insidious elements of racism loyalsister Oct 2016 #24
Maybe you can list the things you've done to gain more awareness? The2ndWheel Oct 2016 #25
Listen without judgement for one thing loyalsister Oct 2016 #26
Racism is alive and well, I was living easily with my white privilege before 2008. Rex Oct 2016 #27
It's super easy Taitertots Oct 2016 #29
Keeping their gravy train rolling GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #31
so funny that this article was written by a white guy hfojvt Oct 2016 #42
That wasn't my interpretation of the article. ZombieHorde Oct 2016 #47
apparently though their "marginalization" hfojvt Oct 2016 #50
White privilege doesn't mean you don't have grueling, depressing life of struggle. ZombieHorde Oct 2016 #54

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
1. Because it's much more complicated than just treating everyone the same,
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 11:39 PM
Oct 2016

regardless of the color of their skin. These days it's all about "microassaults", "microinvalidations", and whatnot.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
2. Lots of ink spilled these days
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 11:53 PM
Oct 2016

concerning "white liberals" and their less than perfect outlook on race, or their less than perfect responses to race problems, or what have you. Meanwhile, an absolute monster is poised to possibly win the presidency and unequivocal, in your face racists are crawling out into the light everywhere.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
32. The article is for those who wish decrease inequality.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 10:06 PM
Oct 2016

Those who desire current levels or greater levels of inequality will require a different approach.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
3. White people can't win
Mon Oct 3, 2016, 11:55 PM
Oct 2016
This further draws the attention back to us, and away from the real issue of pain felt by the person of color.

If we truly want a different world, let’s ask ourselves:

Can I simply say: “I wasn’t aware my words or actions hurt you. Tell me more so I can learn?”


You're not supposed to draw attention away from the person of color, except when you are. Which you don't know when you can, because you can't, but you have to.

If a white person listens, that's not enough. If they join in, that could be either not enough or too much. Most likely both at the same time, so that either way white people are wrong.


9. White Guilt

According to The Racism Root Kit: Understanding the Insidiousness of White Privilege, a person experiencing white guilt will attempt “to provide comfort as if to ‘make up’ for the indignation expressed by the person of color.”

“I feel terrible about all the police brutality against black people.”

We may want to “do the right thing,” but because no real change or self-examination is engaged, no awareness takes place.


So basically the entire article is white guilt. Nothing changed, and the author made it all about him and white people in general.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
5. #4 in the list says it's bad for a white person to take a homeless black guy to dinner,
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 12:25 AM
Oct 2016

because white guilt or microinvalidation or something, and instead you should give him $10.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,355 posts)
16. And then the article asks "what happens when he steals from you?"
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 11:08 AM
Oct 2016

Wow, no stereotypes there, Mr. Sachs...

This article is of no use to anyone who wants to help society, I think.

Bucky

(54,041 posts)
41. Thank you
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:47 AM
Oct 2016

I hate that circular firing squad thing people do when they want to out-liberal each other. Liberals are allowed to disagree with each other without being racists or betraying the cause.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
23. USA Today poll dated 8/15/16 shows millennials favoring Hillary 50% - 20%
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 12:31 PM
Oct 2016

I'm not sure where the perception of millennials largely supporting trump comes from. Practically every poll I've seen shows young voters favoring Hillary Clinton at or around 50%, yet no one is losing their shit over 57% of the 65+ crowd heading for Trump.



 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
30. yeah....the ones who are actually voting
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 07:17 PM
Oct 2016

New York Times poll a couple weeks ago showed 1/3rd of millennials are either favoring 3rd party or plan to not vote at all.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
7. over-invoking racism can also make the issue worse
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 01:02 AM
Oct 2016

Some will want to see racism where there's none to feel good about themselves

(hero status), thereby actualizing/propping up latent divides


 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
51. Yes, I do, by the very topic
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 10:39 PM
Oct 2016

There are many more important issues in life than to redress minor faults of people who mean well.

Trying to dissect the minor ways in which progressives whose intent is to not be racist might be eventually be perceived as expressing in a subliminal way some subtle form of racism that they never meant to express is to magnify something that would solve itself much better by letting minute details just drift by.

Crying wolf over details where there was no harmful intention creates issue fatigue, diminishing the impact of protesting when there is actual, intentional racism.

 

Cakes488

(874 posts)
11. Racism isn't limited to just white people
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 09:59 AM
Oct 2016

There will always be some sort of racism...but it's getting better and it will be a better world when there is a whole lot less of it.

ismnotwasm

(41,999 posts)
21. Racism is a power dynamic
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 12:22 PM
Oct 2016

So while bigotry and prejudice and hatred for the "other" is not limited to white people, in America, and plenty of other places thanks to colonialism, modern racism (there has always been racism, it's forms have changed) exists in white people who all hold that power.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
28. If you thought about that for 5 seconds, you would realize it's non-sense
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 06:54 PM
Oct 2016

Go read a dictionary. Your explaination is incongruent with definition of racism.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
38. A white liberal came up with that definition of racism
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 11:30 PM
Oct 2016

So I'd be careful not to castigate a group that birthed your idealogy.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
12. Nothing about
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 10:04 AM
Oct 2016

silence on aggressive wars against non friendly nations? Btw, all these "white people bad/ black people good" articles do much more damage to race relationship that they solve. I hate hate hate hate seeing them posted on this site.



romanic

(2,841 posts)
37. I'll answer that.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 11:28 PM
Oct 2016

Imo these articles inflame racial bigotry and distrust on both sides. I also think authors such as these benefit from poor race relations since it gives them a "market" and a "platform" to write garbage like this.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
43. The average reader of Everyday Feminism, where I found the article,
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 01:38 PM
Oct 2016

may also try to avoid demonizing others based on biological demographics, and may even think about their own behavior slightly differently after reading the article.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
46. Many people claim simply talking about racism inflames racial bigotry
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 02:22 PM
Oct 2016

Many people claim simply talking about racism inflames racial bigotry and distrust on both sides. However, as they absolutely never support this allegation with valid evidence, I allow them all the lack of credibility they are in fact due... and bless their little dogmatic hearts.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
48. The whole article says there's no discussion to be had
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 04:33 PM
Oct 2016

White people are supposed to acknowledge their inherent racism, and that's it. You can't say you're not racist. You can't apologize for racism or being racist. You can't play the pain game. You can't list what you've done as a white person to not be racist.

4. Masochism

When a white liberal’s guilt runs amuck, it may become a deep-seated need to take his or her racial lumps.

White liberals, who unconsciously seek self-punishment for historical oppression, appear racially sensitive.

But they actually perpetuate racism by simply becoming “a receptacle for potential and actual abuse,” instead of examining their racially-biased behavior.


This was an entry of the article. A lengthy article about how white liberals perpetuate racism. How white people are just wrong, wrong, wrong. You did a bad thing white person! Go to the corner and think about what you've done, and remember that going to the corner to think about what you've done is wrong too. Don't beat yourself up over racism, because you only appear racially sensitive if you do. However, unless you consistently acknowledge your inherent racism, you can't even attempt to not be racist, which you can't be, because you're white. You're also wrong for being wrong.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
52. Yep.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:13 PM
Oct 2016

And this is why I say articles like these inflame racial tension. I'm sure a snobby know-it-all white academic would slobber in agreement but for other whites who know nothing of the academic rules of racism, an excerpt like this would piss them off.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
53. Well said.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 11:19 PM
Oct 2016

In transactional analysis, one could say whites are being placed in a role of children who are taught they can never do well: whatever they do, they are guilty.

Tell me how this is supposed to bring about positive outcomes?

Invoking the specter of imaginary inborn racism of whites is eroding the real effort to fight racism when it really exists.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
14. The only thing I object to is
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 10:31 AM
Oct 2016

the implied ageism, as if only older white liberals can have these issues. My nephew is a millennial (although he's not liberal) and his tone-deafness is off-the-chart stupid. While although I'm twice his age, I was down with the concept of political correctness the moment I first heard of it while other liberals were and are still on the fence or against it.

Life is full of exceptions.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
15. "Racism just won’t die, because its roots are deep."
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 10:54 AM
Oct 2016
Somewhere down where we don’t like to go, is a place where racism lives. It’s automatic and hidden. Binding and resistant to change. No matter how well-meaning we are, no matter how open-minded. Like the “root kit” on a computer, racism is hidden and operating without our knowledge.

Hillary has spoken of our 'implicit bias.'

As long as outcomes reflect a racial bias, racism is.

'Equal opportunity' is just a mask.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
18. Unrelated but I was looking at the suggested stories on that page.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 12:12 PM
Oct 2016
How White Americans’ Hatred of Racism Actually Supports Racism Instead of Solves It

7 Ways White Jews Can Do Better By the Movement for Black Lives

5 Signs Your Idea of ‘Intersectionality’ Is Anti-Black Racism In Disguise


Jesus Christ what a miserable and racially divisive website. Some people truly benefit from poor race relations - it gives them writing material.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
19. This sounds like it was written by some psychologist with less than
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 12:16 PM
Oct 2016

5 years of actual experience and/or completely practicing in a field outside of mass population psychology.

My guess is that they're either an ADD counselor or relationship counselor.

Response to ZombieHorde (Original post)

ismnotwasm

(41,999 posts)
22. This is an excellent read
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 12:24 PM
Oct 2016

The push back replies here validate the points of the article

These knee-jerk defenses are actually how we as white liberals end up perpetuating racism. Thus, true self-awareness and deeper relationships with people of color never really happen.

This is what young people know instinctively. And what older white Liberals like you and me have a hard time understanding.

There’s a problem when we champion change, then hide from it when it really counts. Like it or not, White superiority is well defended and protected. It may be unintentional. It’s likely unconscious. Without more introspection and sincere interaction, the racism train keeps rolling.

Right now, you might feel angry and misjudged.

Maybe you’re a white liberal shaking your head, feeling slighted and angered by the lack of acknowledgment, regarding your efforts and accomplishments concerning racial sensitivity. After all, white liberals are the white folks who really get it. Right?

Wrong. This is, in fact, another microinvalidation. Beverly and Pendler call that particular microaggression “attack by racial resume.” We say, “Look at all the work I’ve done on behalf of people of color! I’m one of the good ones!”

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
24. Denial and defensiveness are two of the most insidious elements of racism
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 12:36 PM
Oct 2016

As most white people, I have thoughtlessly done it. Gaining some awareness has been productive for me. To oppose racism is to also oppose the denials and defenses that are the first resorts for people who aren't willing to consider themselves as being part of the problem.

Some people are misusing the concept of implicit bias as a defense of their racism. "Everyone has biases. Everyone is racist."

Implicit bias testing measures quick reactions. However when we are given time to reflect and show bias, it is not implied. It is deliberate. And it is bigotry.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
26. Listen without judgement for one thing
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 01:27 PM
Oct 2016

Read articles such as the one posted with an open mind. Listen to people who live it to give me insight, and asking if I have done anything that could be interpreted as racist without the usual defense and denial.... "but you misunderstood" or "that's not how I meant it."

Instead, "I didn't think of it that way. Is there a way to do better?"

The person who lives with racism is the expert in these situations. I am trying to learn from my friends who know more than I do.
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
27. Racism is alive and well, I was living easily with my white privilege before 2008.
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 01:30 PM
Oct 2016

I was shocked to find so many white folks I knew were more than ready to make sure it was anyone but a black man in office. It reminded me of how easy it is to think we are progressing merely due to time. I forgot how easy it is to be white in this country.

Racism is kicking and screaming in this country. It is alive and well and thriving.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
29. It's super easy
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 07:16 PM
Oct 2016

1) Don't have feelings of racial animus or superiority

2) Don't try to convince others to have feelings of racial animus or superiority.

The article is non-sense.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
31. Keeping their gravy train rolling
Tue Oct 4, 2016, 07:49 PM
Oct 2016

Kids ever increasing tuitions paid for this gobbledygook. I wonder how many months they sat around coming up with this, stuff. Drawing a paycheck the entire time.

Good work if you can get it.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
42. so funny that this article was written by a white guy
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 03:59 AM
Oct 2016

Here's an idea. If somebody has reached the point in their life where they are all worked up about MICRO-problems, then they may not have any real problems.

Of course, the article said we should not create a contest of pain. So any white people with no feet should just sit there and sympathize with a black person who has no shoes, or has an even smaller microproblem. It's all about me needing to bow and scrape to them. Anything else just perpetuates racism. We cannot be friends if I do not accept that their complaints and problems are more important than those of everybody else.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
47. That wasn't my interpretation of the article.
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 03:56 PM
Oct 2016

I think the article was saying we shouldn't invalidate people's feelings, especially when we're not in their situation. The article specifically uses POC as an example, but think the advice applies to any marginalized group.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
50. apparently though their "marginalization"
Wed Oct 5, 2016, 09:04 PM
Oct 2016

consists only of micro-problems.

I still do not think groups are marginalized. In 2011, 21.5% of black households had more than $100,000 in net worth. Those are the people who are probably worried about micro this and micro that. The 48.1% who have less than $5,000 in net worth - they probably have real problems.

People's feelings can often be blind, like is always said about white people taking their privileges for granted. In the same way, richer people can forget how fortunate they are and still find micro-problems to complain about.

Don't invalidate people's feelings? Really? Because many low income white people probably FEEL like the notion of "white privilege" is an insulting crock of crap. Are their feelings validated by higher income college graduates? Or are they told that they are wrong to feel that way? And by people who are not walking in their shoes.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
54. White privilege doesn't mean you don't have grueling, depressing life of struggle.
Fri Oct 7, 2016, 01:00 AM
Oct 2016

White privilege just means that out of all your myriad of problems, your skin color isn't one of them. Liberals suck at branding, and the term "white privilege" is another example our horrible ability to label shit.

The problems of racism and bigotry aren't "micro," but some expressions of racism are micro, but can be painful because of the larger, serious problem.

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