Florida Christians Want to Kill Women Who Have Abortions

[KamaAina]

http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/09/florida-christians-want-to-kill-women-who-have-abortions/

Abolish Abortion Florida – a Christian-run political group aimed at ending legal abortion in the United States – wants women who obtain abortions to be punished. That is, they believe any woman who obtains an abortion should receive the death penalty.

The push to kill women for exercising control and choice over their bodies follows similar (yet less deadly) calls earlier this year by GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump to punish women for abortion. His campaign’s newest advisor wants to ban abortion in all forms – even in cases of rape, incest, and when necessary to save the woman’s life.

Based on the GOP’s focus on abortion this election it should come as no surprise the next logical step for Christian conservatives is to literally kill the women who want to choose what happens to their bodies.

Basing their reasoning in the notion that abortion is actually murder and would hold accountable not just those who perform abortion but those who obtain them, Abolish Abortion Florida is pushing for a 2018 state ballot measure (that would immediately be struck down assuming the Supreme Court isn’t stacked with Scalia-style judges) making all of those involved criminals with the possibility of being put to death.

[elleng]

1. They are NOT Christians.

[msanthrope]

2. Yes...they are. nt

[RKP5637]

3. The US is really in need of some expanded mental health programs. This country is filled

with loons. Years ago I was told at the university approximately 20% of the US really needed some psychiatric help. Now, I bet that number is around 30%.

[LanternWaste]

36. Sometimes, it's convenient to take people at their word. Other-times, we invoke skepticism

Sometimes, it's convenient to take people at their word. Other-times, we invoke skepticism if their word doesn't stroke our bias.

Their word of identification strokes our biases in this case, so skepticism is neatly folded up and placed in our pockets for the time being.

[msanthrope]

37. Why not clearly state what you are accusing me of?

If you think I give any Abramahic religion...or in fact, any religion....a pass, you are quite incorrect.

[baldguy]

4. Sure they are ... just like ISIS terrorists are Muslims.

Same motives & mentality.

[Eleanors38]

42. Heh, heh. ^^^

[Mariana]

9. Of course they are Christians. nt.

[JanMichael]

16. I'll second - yes they are. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

21. Not True Scotsmen, huh?

[steve2470]

27. they are EXTREMELY RIGHT WING NUTJOB Christians.....

unlike we intelligent and rational Christians on the progressive left.

[Warpy]

5. Patriarchs want to kill women, period

People need to understand that.

[csziggy]

6. THIS is why we should NEVER call them a "Right to Life" movement

If they believed in life their first priority would be providing reproductive and prenatal health care for every woman; health care, food, housing and education for every child; and health care, food and housing for every person. They would object to every war and fight to prevent the death penalty.

They don't believe in a right to life - they celebrate death and destruction.

[KamaAina]

8. "Life begins at conception and ends at birth."

[HockeyMom]

7. Women who have abortions can/do go on to have future children

That would be my husband's Aunt, and my SIL's mother. If his mother had been put to death for an abortion prior to his birth, he would never have been born, and neither would both of my Grandsons.

[Binkie The Clown]

10. "Pro Life"? What bullshit hypocrites. n/t

[Mariana]

11. This is logical and consistent.

If they truly believe that abortion is murder, then it follows that they must believe a woman who obtains an abortion is a murderer. These people are very frightening, especially since they believe they're doing God's will.

[smirkymonkey]

25. So then they think murder is the solution?

Not logical and consistent. Pro-life should mean pro-life across the board. All murder of living, born human beings is wrong.

[NickB79]

35. Logical from an Old Testament mentality.

Lots of sinners being put to death there.

[smirkymonkey]

39. Fortunately, our government and legal system is not based upon the Old Testament. Yet.

It's as illegal AF.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

26. God swill.

[LuvNewcastle]

12. At least these assholes are intellectually honest.

If you truly believe abortion is murder, then giving or seeking an abortion is a capital crime.

[hauckeye]

13. So a relative of mine had a miscarriage last year

Should she be in jail for manslaughter according to this logic?

[KamaAina]

14. Well, the miscarriage should at least be investigated.

As they were in Nazi Germany.

And welcome to DU!

[tblue37]

20. A woman was jailed in Tennessee for a miscarriage. nt

[roamer65]

15. They may just truly get the persecution they falsely whine about so much. N/t

[AgadorSparticus]

17. Holy hell. What a bunch of vaginal terrorists!

Why is Florida so f*cked up??!?!?!!

[Buckeye_Democrat]

18. I blame the belief in "souls"... combined with other deranged thinking.

If someone believes a supposed soul has more value than a "temporary vessel," based on the idea that a soul is eternal, this twisted way of thinking is more likely to happen in my opinion.

Many of them oppose abortion because the "soul" is thereby denied an opportunity for salvation and ever-lasting life, apparently.

The fear of eternal death is very strong in some people.

[Mariana]

23. On the other hand, many of them believe the soul

of an aborted fetus (no matter whether the abortion was spontaneous or induced) goes straight to heaven, since it never had any chance to sin. I believe that's the view of most Protestants, at any rate. Each abortion results in another soul gone straight into the arms of Jesus. If the pregnancy is carried to term, the resulting person may never get saved and may land in hell. You'd think these loons would be celebrating abortion.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

33. The Bible teaches "original sin" because of Adam & Eve.

It also teaches that there's only acceptance into heaven by accepting Jesus as the savior.

Given those two "principles," I can imagine that some Christians might interpret abortion as the denial of a soul into heaven.

I don't think MOST Christians think that way. On the other hand, I don't think most Christians think women should be killed for having abortions either.

The Catholic church apparently proclaimed in the past that aborted or miscarried fetuses went to "limbo," not really based on anything in the Bible from what I've read, but they're not Protestants. Since Protestants aren't as unified and organized as Catholics overall, with all kinds of denominations, there's surely some Protestants who have some very bleak ideas about what happens to an aborted fetus soul.

I'll admit there's some speculation on my part because religion and other supernatural beliefs have long struck me as a waste of time.

Science offers some tenuous ideas sometimes, such as hypotheses about the origin of the Universe, but at least they're usually linked to observations in some way -- e.g., linking the concept that the Universe came from nothing just like small particles "come from nothing" via quantum physics (Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle) even today.

[REP]

43. Some believe these "souls" get the "easiest room in Hell"

An unbaptized baby, in some sects, has not had its original sin washed away. If that "logic" is applied to a fetus, it too has not had its sin washed away nor has salvation been guaranteed by a splash of water. There is no agreement where these little heathen souls go, but many of the sects who practice infant baptism think it's quite important it be done very quickly if there's a chance the child won't live long. Such is the love of their god.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

19. K&R The Bible does not endorse murder of innocent women...

That political group has nothing in common with true "Christians."

[Mariana]

24. These Christians don't believe women who have abortions

are innocent. They believe those women are guilty of murder. The Bible does not prohibit capital punishment for murder.

[Act_of_Reparation]

44. No, but it full-throatedly endorses killing "guilty" women.

And just for chuckles, here's a list of things women can be "guilty" of, according to the Bible:

Sleeping with your son.
Sleeping with your father-in-law.
Having a threesome with your husband and your mother.
Having sex with an animal.
Stealing slaves.
Being a witch.
Being a fortune-teller.
Being promiscuous (if you're a priest's daughter).
Killing someone.
Through intent or negligence, allowing your ox to gore someone.
Disobeying your parents.

[Warren DeMontague]

22. This is the logical endpoint of the belief that a fertilized egg is the same thing as a baby.

These people are just honest and consistent about points most Anti-Choicers would rather not talk about or think through to their logical conclusion.

[Demit]

29. And since there is no statute of limitations on murder, their logic would also dictate

that any woman who has had an abortion in the past is subject to the death penalty.

[Warren DeMontague]

31. like I said

they don't want to acknowledge the logical conclusions that follow from the absolutist moral axiom their entire movement is founded on.

[Demit]

34. Of course not.

Therefore I think it should be brought up—really emphasized—every time an anti-abortionist says or writes that abortion is murder.

It trips them up every time. I've seen videos of people with signs, marching outside of PP clinics, being confronted with the question (of how should murderers be punished) and every time they sort of mumble "well...I dunno, it's complicated..."

I know not all zealots are swayed by logic, they seem to be immune to it, but some might start to think.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. Agree 100%

I mean, there's all sorts of implied fallout if you want to legislate- as the HLA plank in the GOP platform asserts, every 4 years- that a fertilized egg has rights under the 14th Amendment. Not just charging women who have (or had) abortions with murder, but outlawing most forms of contraception (and charging women with IUDS with things like "carrying a concealed murder weapon&quot .. these are real tough public policy points to push, popularity wise, so the anti-choicers try to ignore them.

[SamKnause]

28. Fuck Christian Theocracy !!!!!!!

[Vinca]

30. Didn't you mean "Florida Taliban?"

[Dorian Gray]

32. The good news is

that there are a number of republican women. And a number of them have procured abortions. They will find this obscene.

[Initech]

38. How are these people any better than the Taliban?

[CJohnson_LS]

41. The American Taliban at work

What a truly vile lot they are. Yet they go on and on about Islamic extremists, without realizing their hypocrisy.