Wat do YOU think about Howard Dean's latest lines of attack against Trump?

[Stinky The Clown]

The suggestion (not accusation/diagnosis) that he might a coke dope.

The suggestion that someone who tweets at 3AM is "not a normal person".



I am totally fine with this. A person of credence who is not a part of the campaign going on the attack and going low. I agree with Michelle Obama's "when they go low, we go high" notion. I agree 100% that's the best posture for the campaign. But for an outsider? Go Howie!

What do YOU think?

[still_one]

1. I think it is a distraction from discussing the issues we need to focus on, but I have no

strong feeling. Howard is his own person

[Duckhunter935]

2. Don't care for the coke bull

He was much better off this morning calling out the media for all of the free airtime over the last year this morning. The commentator looked so uncomfortable when confronted.

[LisaM]

39. Boy, is that spot on.

Every time someone on a news network gets called out on the excessive Trump coverage, they look uncomfortable. And if Howard Dean has to throw a bombshell to make people interview him - where, in turn, he can accuse them of giving Trump all this airtime - well, then so be it. It's brilliant.

[jodymarie aimee]

3. I love it

Gov Dean rocks.

[unblock]

4. i think dean should apologize and issue a retraction and say

he meant to say *meth*, not coke.

[Ilsa]

32. Haaaaaaahahahahaha!!!

I'm surprised Donny hasn't started an enterprise selling meth he imports from China.

Trump's Meth! Keeps you tweeting all nite long!

[ck4829]

45. "From the man behind Trump Water and Trump Vodka... Trump Meth"

Meth that demands the respect of other street drugs. Made in yuge most sterile laboraties ever, put in a crystal glass pipe, and of the highest purity, only slightly cut* with saffron, cocaine, and shredded 100 dollar bills. Guaranteed to give you the high Donald Trump himself approves of.

* - Actually really cut, more bits of old newspaper than anything else.

[metroins]

5. I don't like it

It's childish and does not matter.

There's enough bad about Trump instead of making things up.

[blm]

7. horsepoo….either he's binging or he acts exactly LIKE someone binging.

Which kinda makes it even worse and even MORE notable. Because it shouldn't be considered normal behavior. It's normal behavior for psychopaths.

[blm]

6. I stand with Dean - because I think he is spot on.

And, even if it is proven that Donald is NOT doing coke, well, he sure as fvck is ACTING exactly like someone who binges on 8balls.

[TexasProgresive]

20. Courtesy of n2doc

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028198450

[Bernardo de La Paz]

8. Somebody's doing lines. I'm not sure who. . . . . . nt

[etherealtruth]

9. The coke stuff is something I can't get behind

... but the rest is good

[mopinko]

10. i love it. setting a simple snare

for the press, one they cant ignore. then make the point.
i think it is brilliant.

pay no attention to the pearl clutchers among us. like the poor, they will always be with us.

[demmiblue]

13. That is a strange comparison. n/t

[niyad]

11. I have no problem with Gov/Dr Dean sticking it to der drumpfenfuhrer. something has to

explain drumpfy's completely irrational, out-of-control, behaviour.

[demmiblue]

12. Dean should have acted with a little more maturity as a well-known and respected Dem figurehead...

instead of going Frisk-like.

I have no problem with someone like Carville going all out, though!


* I have not seen the video(s) of Dean, so I am uninformed as to how it came across on air.

[True Dough]

14. "Lines of attack"

Ahahaha, Stinky, you so funny!

[mnhtnbb]

15. I think Dean is only doing unto Trump what Trump has done unto others

and frankly, I think that's great.

There is something seriously wrong with Trump. Coke addict? Bi-polar? Or just a complete a$$hole?
Take your pick. He needs to be kept out of the Oval Office.

[smirkymonkey]

19. Really, unfortunately the only way to win this game is to play

at his level. It's just too bad he has had to drag us into the gutter.

[malaise]

36. +1,000

I love it - anything Don the Con can do can be done by others

[Democat]

16. Dean is all over the media so some on DU are scared

If Democrats would just be quiet and nice, surely we'd win that way?

[Nevernose]

17. I've been saying for a long time

On this site, other sites, and in real life, that Trump is obviously on cocaine or amphetamines. I assumed amphetamines, because that is easier to cover up with a prescription from his quack doctor, but the sniffling on Monday really did look like a coke head.

[karynnj]

18. Howard Dean, at least in the primaries, was an official Clinton surrogate

He is also a credible Democratic politician, who did a great job heading the DNC.

I think these "go low" attacks by him are not good for Clinton, as they are too close to her; not good for the party; and not good for Howard Dean.

I have not always agreed with things that Dean has done since 2008, but he remained a powerful voice on things important to him. These are really beneath him and the various positions he has held in the past. These are things that were already bubbling up on twitter and on boards like this one. In fact, as someone who never touched drugs even in college in the late 60s, I had of course heard enough comedy that I was thinking as watching that the late night comedians were likely to mention cocaine. With or without Dean, this was going to be played with on various comedy shows -- some of which some people cite as their biggest source of news!

How it affects HRC - and what should at this moment be the most important - is that it means Dean may be a less credible voice and it ties the comments to her. It was people no closer to HRC that led some to refuse to completely reject that she never had anything to do with birtherism - even though she absolutely never did or said one thing along those lines. Remember at the debate that Trump refered to "her campaign" circulating pictures of Obama in Kenyan garb. In fact, former Senator Bob Kerrey was the one who did that as well as speaking of madrassahs. Dean this year is in a position similar to Kerrey's then.

I absolutely disagree with his new after the fact comment that it is fair because Trump does similar things.

[7962]

25. Agreed

[Tribalceltic]

21. Why are we being politically correct?

Actions of someone who is mentally ill, or seriously impaired by medication or recreational drugs is very obvious to me.

Someone should be either verifying or at least asking whether he is either. We have more than enough anecdotal evidence that something is very wrong with him, not just his platform.

[Kathy M]

22. I think it should be addressed / looked into since Don vouched for cocaine distributer in the past

Don had casino 's atlantic city , helicopters , at one time tried airplanes . Don now has hotels( mostly in name only ) , golf courses and other businesses in his name . Don also has a lot of dealings with other countries , between his past and present businesses yes it should be looked into .

"FEBRUARY 16--Presidential contender Donald Trump, who has vowed to stanch the flow of narcotics and criminals entering the U.S. from Mexico, once wrote to a judge urging leniency for a friend who was convicted of distributing kilos of cocaine that had been smuggled into the country from Colombia, court records show.

In advance of Joseph Weichselbaum’s November 1987 sentencing by a U.S. District Court judge, Trump wrote that the drug trafficker was “conscientious, forthright, and diligent" and "a credit to the community.”

"When Trump wrote on Weichselbaum’s behalf, the real estate developer had known the criminal for several years. Weichselbaum, seen at left, was general manager of a helicopter company that shuttled high rollers for Trump to the tycoon’s Atlantic City casinos, business that was worth about $2 million annually. Weichselbaum’s firm also maintained, stored, and provided pilots for Trump’s personal $10 million Super Puma helicopter.

[Another felon with whom Trump was friendly was also in the helicopter business. John Staluppi, a Colombo crime family member, was an owner of Dillinger Charter Services, which flew gamblers into Atlantic City on behalf of Trump and other casino licensees. As TSG reported last year"

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/the-donald-and-the-dealer-173892

"In addition to the September 1990 interview, DGE also questioned Trump about Weichselbaum in August 1992 (the latter meeting was prompted by revelations in author Wayne Barrett’s investigative biography of Trump, which was published in January 1992).

During one of the DGE sessions, Trump claimed that he “has not communicated with Weichselbaum for many years” and “has no present business or social relationship” with the twice-convicted felon. Trump did acknowledge, however, seeing Weichselbaum “walking through Trump Tower recently.”

Following Weichselbaum’s release from Bureau of Prisons custody, he moved into the Fifth Avenue tower, where his girlfriend had purchased a pair of adjoining apartments on the condo's 49th floor (for $2.35 million).

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/trump-dge-report-weichselbaum-563821

[Ilsa]

40. I wonder if donny wants to "stanch the flow..."

because he thinks he has a superior product to sell.

Based on his behavior, I'm darn suspicious of whether he's clean and sober, and I think it warrants looking into. I don't buy his story that he's never drunk alcohol, done drugs, or even had coffee.

Sadly I think his children have such an unrealistic view of who he is that they are in denial about what he does and if he can handle it. I expect no intervention from them.

[Kathy M]

44. Wondering the same thing .........

There is more ( I think ) to his " business 's " than we will ever know .

Doubt there will be an interventions .....

[LakeArenal]

23. Unnecessary..

Unnecessary, because we don't need to call him anything but trump himself. Besides, Hillary is doing just fine on her own. But then, maybe Howard deflects some of the shade thrown at her. Let them expend the vitriol on him for awhile. I like that part of it.

[7962]

24. No different than those always bringing up HRC's "health issues"

I would expect a little more dignity from someone like Dean, though.
If he was around me 2 pollen months out of the year he'd think i was a raging addict, I guess.

[radical noodle]

26. He's just saying what he thinks

No political correctness. Just like Trump does. Let's face it... Trump is NOT a normal person.

[bucolic_frolic]

27. Symptoms are one thing, genuine medical records and tax returns are another

I think a doctor knows many real medications can dry sinuses and cause the sniffles

All the speculation surrounding both issues is not getting us closer to the truth

and the truth is important for a presidential candidate

[Kaleva]

28. Dean is articulating what many are thinking

[JoeOtterbein]

29. Employers spend billions testing other Americans, a guy who snorts and rants like Tony Montana...

on his last day, should be tested. Or he better that the rest of us? Rich, white privilege? He has been making those snorting sounds (snorting not sniffing) for over a year. Almost every rally he does it. I call that probable cause for further testing.

[regnaD kciN]

30. "LINES of attack"…perfect!

[Lucky Luciano]

31. The latest line just went up trumps nose!! nt

[liberal N proud]

33. I think that we just don't know...

He might be a coke head or he might have a severe medical condition. We just don't know.

We just don't know.

We don't know because he only released fake medical reports.

[bucolic_frolic]

38. ^^^+100x

Fake medical reports that reveal him to be in perfect condition!

[Jon King]

34. Don't let up!

Dean should press every day for a drug test for Trump, make him produce it like the birth certificate. Because a 'lot of people are saying' Trump looks like he does coke.

[TomCADem]

35. Does Highlight Hypocrisy of MSM

What Dean is saying is pretty tame by Trump standards, but it is considered to be outrageous coming from a Democrat.

[Guilded Lilly]

37. At some point...

we can "dignify" ourselves into losing the election (s) and going snarky, publically, does go against a natural grain to keep things on a higher level with more civil and intelligent standards.

But sometimes, just sometimes, one has to get pissed enough at the imbalance of idiocy, pathological lying and bloviating bullshit vs. sane but frustrated, informed adult discourse and...slip down a temporary notch.

Dr. Dean opened a much needed and timely conversation about the bigger picture of double standards and total media craziness. Good.

I have always been and remain a fan of Howard Dean.

[Warpy]

41. Lines of attack? I see what you did there.

While I think Donny Hoovered up a truckload of coke in the 80s along with half the country under 70, I don't honestly think it's his problem now.

While I value Dr. Dean's position as an experienced physician, I also think he's barking up the wrong tree. I know cokeheads, I went through the 80s also, and Trump doesn't strike me as a current heavy user.

I think sleep apnea is a much more likely problem.

[wryter2000]

42. I think the coke reference was a mistake

And Dean has apologized. But the tweeting at 3am not being normal is just common sense. I don't think he meant that as a medical diagnosis.

[pansypoo53219]

43. RUMP may not drink, but he sure acts drunk.

[UTUSN]

46. Here's what I think: Kick it to the top!1 n/t