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mnhtnbb

(31,397 posts)
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 07:53 AM Sep 2016

Police killed vs Police killing

Just the raw numbers tell a story. And it's tough to find the raw numbers because there is no US database on people killed by police. There is, however, The Counted, which is
maintained by The Guardian (a British publication) and documents the stories of people in the US killed by police and tracks the information by state, gender, age,ethnicity, whether armed
or unarmed.



Young black men were nine times more likely than other Americans to be killed by police officers in 2015, according to the findings of a Guardian study that recorded a final tally of 1,134 deaths at the hands of law enforcement officers this year.

Despite making up only 2% of the total US population, African American males between the ages of 15 and 34 comprised more than 15% of all deaths logged this year by an ongoing investigation into the use of deadly force by police. Their rate of police-involved deaths was five times higher than for white men of the same age.

Paired with official government mortality data, this new finding indicates that about one in every 65 deaths of a young African American man in the US is a killing by police.

“This epidemic is disproportionately affecting black people,” said Brittany Packnett, an activist and member of the White House taskforce on policing. “We are wasting so many promising young lives by continuing to allow this to happen.”



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

To date in 2016 there have been 793 people in the US killed by the police. For Black citizens, the number killed by police is 4.86/million; for White citizens the number killed by police is 1.96/million.



How many police have been killed in the line of duty? For 2016 to date, 92 and of those 92, 40 are from gunfire.


https://www.odmp.org/search/year


I think it's important for people to be informed about who is really at risk here. I ran into someone--just out and about here in NC--who thought police were much more likely to be killed
in the line of duty by people than the other way around. I suspect it's not uncommon to find a lot of people in the country who think this way.


I was very happy to see a group of about 75 students at the UNC football game yesterday sit--some with fists raised--during the national anthem.






http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/unc-now/article103999981.html









This 65 year old white woman kept
her seat this past Thursday when the NC Symphony opened its season at Memorial Hall in Chapel Hill with the playing of the national anthem. My husband--a veteran--kept his seat, too,
but I wish there had been more who had joined us.

It's time to do whatever any of us can to raise awareness of the problem. Black Lives Matter.




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Police killed vs Police killing (Original Post) mnhtnbb Sep 2016 OP
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2016 #1
Enjoy your stay. Archae Sep 2016 #5
Won't be long before he's gone malaise Sep 2016 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2016 #7
Won't happen malaise Sep 2016 #9
MIRT was quick JustAnotherGen Sep 2016 #10
Hehehehehehhehe malaise Sep 2016 #11
Darn I missed it! Avalux Sep 2016 #22
No her/his first post was on this thread malaise Sep 2016 #23
Got it, and a good riddance. Avalux Sep 2016 #26
Linux (Unix) based OS's set a zero date at Dec. 1969, so that's why it says "before 2003". . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #29
I've often been tempted, as I am sure others have dixiegrrrrl Sep 2016 #24
African Americans are 12% of the population not 2% malaise Sep 2016 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2016 #3
Have a good life - bye bye malaise Sep 2016 #4
It is not malaise Sep 2016 #8
African American males aged 15-34 = 2% according to OP. Not all AA citood Sep 2016 #12
Ah my bad malaise Sep 2016 #13
I did the same thing initially, it's poorly worded I think mythology Sep 2016 #18
Correct. The Counted has identified a subset of total population mnhtnbb Sep 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #19
Here are Washington Post collection exboyfil Sep 2016 #15
The Counted tracks deaths from encounters with law enforcement--not just shot. mnhtnbb Sep 2016 #17
I hope people will bookmark The Counted's interactive database. mnhtnbb Sep 2016 #16
It's excellent! I've bookmarked it and check it often. mountain grammy Sep 2016 #21
About the thread title: There are about 1,000,000 police in the USA. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #20
But who killed the 40 police? malaise Sep 2016 #25
Well, yeah, but not to the title. Would like to know if any were accidental (toddlers, "friendly")nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #27
At least one was deliberately shot by another cop BumRushDaShow Sep 2016 #28
There are about 900,000 sworn LEO's in US mnhtnbb Sep 2016 #30
Big K&R for visibility! nt tblue37 Sep 2016 #31
I've been thinking about this since Friday mnhtnbb Sep 2016 #32
I wonder why so many people get irrational and angry at the mention of Black Lives Matter? Rex Sep 2016 #33
I think they're racists. They honestly believe that the amount of melanin in your skin-- mnhtnbb Sep 2016 #34
because they think black lives don't matter Skittles Sep 2016 #35
I hope people remember ZombieHorde Sep 2016 #36
Because police in general wear bighart Sep 2016 #37

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Avalux

(35,015 posts)
22. Darn I missed it!
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 10:25 AM
Sep 2016

But I can see that member had been here since before 2003. They finally crossed the line!!

Response to malaise (Reply #2)

mnhtnbb

(31,397 posts)
14. Correct. The Counted has identified a subset of total population
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 09:01 AM
Sep 2016

at most risk for the largest disparity.

When you look at the total figures, you still see a big disparity between races. The numbers don't lie. Black Americans are disproportionately at risk
of being killed by police compared to White Americans, even though they are a much smaller percentage of total population.

Response to malaise (Reply #2)

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
15. Here are Washington Post collection
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 09:06 AM
Sep 2016

of stories of police shooting deaths for 2015 and 2016. It includes a summary of the shooting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/

In 2015 494 white and 258 black. A recent crime statistic for violent offenders shows white only 42.9% of total and black only 22.4% of total.

http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

mnhtnbb

(31,397 posts)
17. The Counted tracks deaths from encounters with law enforcement--not just shot.
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 09:13 AM
Sep 2016

What is included in The Counted?

Any deaths arising directly from encounters with law enforcement. This will inevitably include, but will likely not be limited to, people who were shot, tasered and struck by police vehicles as well those who died in police custody.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/about-the-counted


BUT, for instance, they do not include deaths in police custody that are ruled suicides (you won't find Sandra Bland).

mountain grammy

(26,635 posts)
21. It's excellent! I've bookmarked it and check it often.
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 10:20 AM
Sep 2016

I written many letters and emails and donated to victims' GoFundMe sites. This is a widespread problem that's tearing families apart and it should be given national attention on a daily basis. It's been hidden for too long.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,020 posts)
20. About the thread title: There are about 1,000,000 police in the USA.
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 10:13 AM
Sep 2016

That's people with arrest powers, mostly police officers.

I attempt to answer the question posed by the thread title ("Police killed vs Police killings&quot , which the OP does not seem to address directly.

The most recent figures I could find were from 2008 with 765,000 full-time sworn personnel (defined as those with general arrest powers) and about 44,000 part-time. So I upped the figures to "about one million" to make them comparable.

In 2016 to date 40 police officers died by gunfire. That's about 40 per million.

In 2016 to date, per excerpt in OP, about 5 per million blacks died by police gunfire and about 2 per million whites.

Two conclusions:

1) Police get killed at a greater rate than police kill.

2) Blacks get killed at a greater rate than whites get killed.


Neither conclusion paints a pretty picture and both states of affairs should be improved by reducing gun deaths and gun violence.

BumRushDaShow

(129,203 posts)
28. At least one was deliberately shot by another cop
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 11:29 AM
Sep 2016

because ya know, we "all look alike" and "fit the description" -

http://articles.philly.com/2016-03-17/news/71606020_1_police-officer-narcotics-officer-shooting-spree

This was a big thing here back when it happened in March since the deceased officer was originally from the local Philly area.

Black undercover and plain-clothes officers are targets just like the rest of young black men.

mnhtnbb

(31,397 posts)
30. There are about 900,000 sworn LEO's in US
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 12:37 PM
Sep 2016

according to this: http://www.nleomf.org/facts/enforcement/


Is anyone surprised that LEO's carrying firearms are killed in a country where there are 350 million guns?



It doesn't happen in other countries: police are not killing their citizens at rates that happen in the US and police themselves are not being killed at similar rates that happen in the US.

Some interesting explanations as to why may be found in these articles:

http://www.newsweek.com/why-do-american-cops-kill-more-people-other-countries-399169


http://scholarship.law.berkeley.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3592&context=facpubs

mnhtnbb

(31,397 posts)
32. I've been thinking about this since Friday
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 01:37 PM
Sep 2016

when I ushered for the play "Detroit '67" which was up at Playmakers here in Chapel Hill, the Repertory Company associated
with UNC-Chapel Hill.

I came home totally depressed. This was almost 50 years ago. The precipitating event for the riots was a raid
of an after hours, unlicensed bar in a poor, black neighborhood. Police brutality was center stage.

http://www.blackpast.org/aah/detroit-race-riot-1967

Here we are--50 years later--and white people of privilege still don't get it.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
33. I wonder why so many people get irrational and angry at the mention of Black Lives Matter?
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 01:39 PM
Sep 2016

What level of self loathing have they reached in life, one wonders?

mnhtnbb

(31,397 posts)
34. I think they're racists. They honestly believe that the amount of melanin in your skin--
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 01:42 PM
Sep 2016

less is better--determines superiority.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
36. I hope people remember
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 05:32 AM
Sep 2016

these numbers only reflect deaths, and not the other forms of systematic oppression, which is significantly more common.

The police are the most dangerous hate group in the US.

bighart

(1,565 posts)
37. Because police in general wear
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 06:29 AM
Sep 2016

Protective equipment I would be curious to see the data on how many were shot and survived.
The average civilian that is involved in a police shooting is not likely to have that advantage and is much less likely to survive as a result.

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