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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 01:25 AM Sep 2016

Hillary Clinton Drops A Debate Bomb On Trump By Releasing 19 Pages Of His Fact Checked Lies

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/09/23/hillary-clinton-drops-debate-bomb-trump-releasing-19-pages-fact-checked-lies.html

The Hillary Clinton campaign held a special press call to call on the debate moderator, media, and voters to fact check Donald Trump. In order to help the press, debate moderators, and voters fact check Trump, the Clinton campaign has released 19 pages of Trump lies.

HFA Communications Director Jennifer Palmieri said, “Donald Trump has shown a clear pattern of repeating provably false lies hoping that nobody will correct him. As we head into this debate, we want voters and viewers to be on alert that they should keep track. Any candidate that tells this many lies, clearly can’t win the debate on the merits.”...

The release of so many pages of fact checked lies was a brilliantly clever move from the Clinton campaign. Palmieri repeated the Clinton belief that the moderator should be fact checking Trump at the debate, but since it has been made clear that this isn’t going to happen, Clinton is giving voters and the press all of the materials that they need to fact check Trump in real time at the debate.

Throughout his entire campaign, Trump has been allowed to lie without consequence, but that is about to change at the first presidential debate.


19 pages? Single-spaced? 8-point? Double-sided?
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Hillary Clinton Drops A Debate Bomb On Trump By Releasing 19 Pages Of His Fact Checked Lies (Original Post) KamaAina Sep 2016 OP
Black Twitter will fact check him, mock him underthematrix Sep 2016 #1
Black Twitter is a thing? KamaAina Sep 2016 #25
Yes it's a thing underthematrix Sep 2016 #30
Link to the prebuttal: greyl Sep 2016 #2
Thanks for the link . Kathy M Sep 2016 #10
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #22
great link Thank you underthematrix Sep 2016 #31
Clever move canetoad Sep 2016 #3
19 pages of Trump lies? Must be only volume one of a set! GoDawgs Sep 2016 #4
Since when has the US Media been interested in FACTS? nikto Sep 2016 #5
That printout should be fun at debate parties! Hekate Sep 2016 #6
So your response is to question whether the 19 pages is an accurate estimate?? R B Garr Sep 2016 #7
Oh ffs. TDale313 Sep 2016 #27
I think it might be more effective for her to drop it on them at the debates, because still_one Sep 2016 #8
The media probably won't do squat gratuitous Sep 2016 #32
I think Hillary will need to point out the lies real time still_one Sep 2016 #33
Maybe gratuitous Sep 2016 #34
No disagreement, but nothing is like real time. When Romeny was fact-checked still_one Sep 2016 #35
"why is she being so boring, with all the facts and all? YAWN" Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #38
Just one quibble LiberalLovinLug Sep 2016 #9
Good move from Clinton campaign Kathy M Sep 2016 #11
"...and there's plenty more where this came from!" SeattleVet Sep 2016 #12
Excellent work, but one quibble... TreasonousBastard Sep 2016 #13
Crowley certainly didn't with Romney and Obama. brush Sep 2016 #28
I didn't see anything about "I can't release my taxes because I'm under audit." NBachers Sep 2016 #14
good point! renate Sep 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author NBachers Sep 2016 #15
Hillary knows exactly what she is doing. world wide wally Sep 2016 #16
Appreciate this reminder, world wide wally. misterhighwasted Sep 2016 #17
Trump will release wheniwasincongress Sep 2016 #18
They're good. nt tblue37 Sep 2016 #19
Great Move colsohlibgal Sep 2016 #20
Trump's supporters are amazingly immune to facts, though NickB79 Sep 2016 #21
I remain terrified BSdetect Sep 2016 #23
If only the truth mattered. RandySF Sep 2016 #26
Trump should have apologized for the birther issue long ago, he still hasn't apologized and Thinkingabout Sep 2016 #29
K&R... spanone Sep 2016 #36
And I'm gonna guess that the press ignored it. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #37
 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
5. Since when has the US Media been interested in FACTS?
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 01:57 AM
Sep 2016

For us oldtimers,
back in the Cronkite days, maybe.


But in recent decades?





The operative term in American Politics is:
IOKIYAR


Sadly, I wouldn't expect the corporate media to recognize truth and facts
if they bit 'em on the ass.

Sorry, but I am that cynical about our corporate media.

R B Garr

(16,964 posts)
7. So your response is to question whether the 19 pages is an accurate estimate??
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 02:07 AM
Sep 2016

And how the info is spaced on the page??

Nothing about the obvious nonstop Trump lies?

Really?

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
27. Oh ffs.
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 11:43 PM
Sep 2016

The OP was clearly making the point that Trump lies are so many one could actually (quite easily) fill more than 19 pages. You actually took issue with that?!? That was not in any way a slam on anyone but Trump.

still_one

(92,302 posts)
8. I think it might be more effective for her to drop it on them at the debates, because
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 02:23 AM
Sep 2016

the media isn't going to do sqwat

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
32. The media probably won't do squat
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 12:13 AM
Sep 2016

But they'll have 19 pages of stuff that they can't ignore. "We didn't know that was a lie!" suddenly loses all potency when the participant repeats something his adversary called him on the day before. If Trump has a conscience at all, he won't be able to say a word.

Which means he'll yak non-stop.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
34. Maybe
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 12:19 AM
Sep 2016

Or she can take her time in the debate talking about what she wants to discuss, and let the campaign call out the media the next day for overlooking dozens of Trump lies.

still_one

(92,302 posts)
35. No disagreement, but nothing is like real time. When Romeny was fact-checked
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 12:24 AM
Sep 2016

during the debate, it was devastating

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
38. "why is she being so boring, with all the facts and all? YAWN"
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 06:41 AM
Sep 2016

"Trump is clearly the more decisive presence on the stage. Look how he deftly and assuredly ignores objective reality!" -swoon-


LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
9. Just one quibble
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 02:48 AM
Sep 2016
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bin-laden-family-evacuated/

It is a well known fact that members of the Bin Laden family were allowed to leave in the wake of the 9/11 attacks. I guess his "lie" was that he said it was just before not after. Still the essence of that is a truth. It was one of the more questionable moves by the Bush admin.
Using the 9/11 commission report as backup is also garbage.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
13. Excellent work, but one quibble...
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 03:01 AM
Sep 2016

I don't know where the idea came from that moderators should fact check. They rarely, perhaps never, never have.

I know that we have never had a candidate so disdainful of the truth as Trump before, but "facts" are slippery things and are often not so clear. If anyone should be fact checking, it is the opponent on the dais. The debaters, however, all tend to stretch the truth for their own purposes-- when that stretch becomes a lie is a good question. Yes, I know, Trump really doesn't know the difference and just says whatever pops into his mouth at the time-- this is really new territory for a Presidential debate, but still shouldn't be the time to set new rules.

Now, after the debate, when the pundits and gassers get together to tell us what we have seen would be the time for them to tell us who told the biggest lies.

It would be fun to have a Truth-O-Meter at some point.

NBachers

(17,130 posts)
14. I didn't see anything about "I can't release my taxes because I'm under audit."
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 03:12 AM
Sep 2016

Maybe it's there and I didn't see it, but releasing his taxes is the biggest thing to go after him for.

Response to KamaAina (Original post)

NickB79

(19,257 posts)
21. Trump's supporters are amazingly immune to facts, though
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 10:40 AM
Sep 2016

Many of them actually wear their ignorance as a badge of pride.

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
23. I remain terrified
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 10:43 AM
Sep 2016

that this buffoon is even running and that people still believe his lies.

They will not read his false statements' rebuttals. That is only more conspiracy fodder to them.

Lets just focus on registering people and postal voting.

Of course, let's also keep an eye on hacking the system.


Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
29. Trump should have apologized for the birther issue long ago, he still hasn't apologized and
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 11:50 PM
Sep 2016

Now he has added the lie Hillary started it.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
37. And I'm gonna guess that the press ignored it.
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 06:38 AM
Sep 2016

Not like Trump yanking their chain for an hour about his birther bullshit.

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