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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA University Is Threatening to Punish Students Who Discuss Their Suicidal Thoughts With Friends
http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/09/a-school-is-threatening-to-punish-its-suicidal-students.htmlThe letter was confusing for a couple of reasons. For one thing, Klawes hadnt even mentioned feeling suicidal during her counseling. For another, it seemed to be saying that she could get in disciplinary trouble simply for talking to her friends about how she was feeling in the aftermath of her assault, which was troubling. So Klawes quickly replied to Brundage, seeking clarification: I was also wondering if I respond to concerned people, is that enough to get me in trouble? she wrote. I do not want to worry others by not responding and I do not want to have the possibility of getting expelled by reaching out to my friends during this emotionally trying time and I see the possibility of misunderstanding or getting more concerned. In her response Brundage reiterated exactly which subjects Klawes was prohibited from discussing with friends: You can certainly talk to your friends about how you are doing in general and set their minds at ease. You cannot discuss with other students suicidal or self-destructive thoughts or actions. It is a very specific limitation.
As it turns out, Klawes was just one of dozens of NMU students, if not more, who have been told over the years that they could face disciplinary action for discussing their suicidal thoughts, according to an investigation and press release just published by the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. The ostensible goal of the policy is to protect students from other students suicidal thoughts and actions. But this policy, in addition to violating students free-speech rights, could also be doing serious harm to vulnerable students at NMU, according to mental-health experts.
After FIRE first caught wind of NMUs policy and gathered some information about it, a senior program officer there, Marieke Tuthill Beck-Coon, sent NMUs president, Fritz J. Erickson, and several other NMU administrators a letter, on August 25, laying out the recent history of the policy, and alerting administrators that it both in FIREs view violated students free-speech rights by prohibiting them from engaging in private discussions about a particular subject, and posed a potential mental-health risk in light of what researchers know about suicide risk factors. (The above emails, and much of the background information in this article, come from FIREs letter, which notes that as a public university NMU has stricter rules on its ability to curtail student speech than a private school would.)...
NMUs policy is much different, much less common its unclear any other American university does this, though Ill update this article if similar policies are churned up by the wake of this article and FIREs report and far more restrictive. According to Schwartz, it likely stems from a misunderstanding about how suicide works. I suspect that the school may be trying to address an overly concrete understanding of the notion of contagion in a problematic way, he said. They are thinking that students talking to each other about suicidal ideas will lead to the student hearing to be at more risk for suicide [but] except for extremely rare occurrence of suicide pacts (usually young people deciding to die together think Romeo and Juliet) the idea of people hearing about a suicidal friend leading them to suicide is extraordinarily unlikely.
As it turns out, Klawes was just one of dozens of NMU students, if not more, who have been told over the years that they could face disciplinary action for discussing their suicidal thoughts, according to an investigation and press release just published by the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. The ostensible goal of the policy is to protect students from other students suicidal thoughts and actions. But this policy, in addition to violating students free-speech rights, could also be doing serious harm to vulnerable students at NMU, according to mental-health experts.
After FIRE first caught wind of NMUs policy and gathered some information about it, a senior program officer there, Marieke Tuthill Beck-Coon, sent NMUs president, Fritz J. Erickson, and several other NMU administrators a letter, on August 25, laying out the recent history of the policy, and alerting administrators that it both in FIREs view violated students free-speech rights by prohibiting them from engaging in private discussions about a particular subject, and posed a potential mental-health risk in light of what researchers know about suicide risk factors. (The above emails, and much of the background information in this article, come from FIREs letter, which notes that as a public university NMU has stricter rules on its ability to curtail student speech than a private school would.)...
NMUs policy is much different, much less common its unclear any other American university does this, though Ill update this article if similar policies are churned up by the wake of this article and FIREs report and far more restrictive. According to Schwartz, it likely stems from a misunderstanding about how suicide works. I suspect that the school may be trying to address an overly concrete understanding of the notion of contagion in a problematic way, he said. They are thinking that students talking to each other about suicidal ideas will lead to the student hearing to be at more risk for suicide [but] except for extremely rare occurrence of suicide pacts (usually young people deciding to die together think Romeo and Juliet) the idea of people hearing about a suicidal friend leading them to suicide is extraordinarily unlikely.
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A University Is Threatening to Punish Students Who Discuss Their Suicidal Thoughts With Friends (Original Post)
KamaAina
Sep 2016
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PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)1. Can they legally do this?
There needs to be a suit of some kind against this school for this attempt to keep people from freely discussing whatever they're thinking.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)2. Sick!
This is a really sick form of control. College Students are legal adults, but a friend can't confide something to a friend? Can they be expelled for watching the news? How about going to a scary movie? ADULTS! They can certainly enter the military and fight in war.
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)3. Crap
Telling someone else about your suicidal feelings is likely to get you help. Hearing about your friends feelings isn't likely to make you commit suicide. Having your friend kill him/herself is likely to make you horribly depressed.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)4. well that should cheer them up.