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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 10:31 PM Sep 2016

Blaming Democrats For The Plight Of Minorities Is So Completely Insane. Yet Som Voters Believe It.

The idea that Democrats are really responsible for racism and bigotry has got to be the most insane claim there is. Yet this reverse logic seems to work on some voters. I just do not understand the complete convolutedness of this election. You really have to be demented to believe such a claim.

Such claims are revisionist history on steroids. It is like blaming he Jews for the Holocaust and their own deaths. Such claims are mass derangement on a grand scale. And there are no words in any language to explain where we are going right now.

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Blaming Democrats For The Plight Of Minorities Is So Completely Insane. Yet Som Voters Believe It. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Sep 2016 OP
You do realize there are those who DO blame Jews for the Holocaust and their deaths? Behind the Aegis Sep 2016 #1
Saying The Dems Are Responsible For The Plight Of Minorities Is Also A Denigration. TheMastersNemesis Sep 2016 #2
I didn't say the Dems are responsible "For The Plight Of Minorities". Behind the Aegis Sep 2016 #3
???? My Reply Was About How The GOP & Trump Denigrates Minorities. TheMastersNemesis Sep 2016 #4
I understood what you said. Behind the Aegis Sep 2016 #5
they even use jewish people supporting gun control as evidence JI7 Sep 2016 #7
Yeah, I have seen that argument used too. Behind the Aegis Sep 2016 #8
We should admit the mistakes of Democrats loyalsister Sep 2016 #6

Behind the Aegis

(53,961 posts)
1. You do realize there are those who DO blame Jews for the Holocaust and their deaths?
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 12:14 AM
Sep 2016

Last edited Wed Sep 21, 2016, 02:06 AM - Edit history (1)

I am not sure if you were throwing it out there like "this would never happen" or if it was a comparison of some sort. There are far left (they plotted with the Nazis...they created "sacrifices" in order to colonize Palestine) and right (they were a disease on the economy...they were working with foreign sources to bring down the new German government) extremes who do blame Jews for the Holocaust. There are also all those in-between the extremes who find excuses for "somewhat" blaming the Jews for their own deaths (How did so few Germans manage to control so many Jews? Why were Jews so passive and not resist in large numbers?)

As to the premise, I don't think we can lay responsibility of racism and bigotry at the feet of the Republicans either, as sad as it is, it was a collaborative effort of the body politic, the real issue, in my mind, is how many ignore, justify, or even exemplify racism and bigotry from the right/Republican party, in stark contrast to the Democrats. The Democrats are much better than the Republicans in this area, but there are many areas of improvement needed, and many who do not think this is true, which is part of the problem...denial.

ETA: Forgot a very important word!

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
2. Saying The Dems Are Responsible For The Plight Of Minorities Is Also A Denigration.
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 12:42 AM
Sep 2016

Trump & the GOP are further denigrating the minorities they seek support from. In a way they are saying that minorities are too ignorant and stupid to understand that it is the GOP that has stood in the way and Trump would make their situation worse.
The GOP since even before Nixon have engaged in sophisticated plots to undermine the civil rights movement as well as La Raza, black organizations and Asians.

The war on drugs itself was a well disguised plan to dismantle civil rights by incarcerating young blacks who might become future leaders. And that same plan undercut blacks and other minorities deliberately.

The problem is that the GOP has succeeded in so many ways. This new tactic is so disingenuous and despicable. It deserves severe punishment of the GOP and its allies. Sadly that punishment won't happen.

Behind the Aegis

(53,961 posts)
3. I didn't say the Dems are responsible "For The Plight Of Minorities".
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 02:10 AM
Sep 2016

I said we share a burden in regards to racism and other forms of bigotry, and we need to acknowledge it. It is true the GOP and Trump are making spectacles of themselves, but this is also not new. The Republican party, as you indicated, has been doing this for a long time. Much of what they do is so "in your face" it is hard to believe there are those out there who fall for their lies and misdirection.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
4. ???? My Reply Was About How The GOP & Trump Denigrates Minorities.
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 02:30 AM
Sep 2016

They seem to think that their ploy blaming Democrats implies minorities are too stupid to understand that they are being played. It is more than obvious the GOP is a racist party. I call it the Republiklan party. I perhaps did not make my reply clear enough.

Behind the Aegis

(53,961 posts)
5. I understood what you said.
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 02:39 AM
Sep 2016

I don't disagree. I just don't think the Democratic party is sinless. I think I have made it very clear the tactics of the GOP are by and far away some of the most repugnant seen, especially this current election cycle. Most people will be able to see through their tactics, except those who don't want to see and those who think their lies are truth.

Behind the Aegis

(53,961 posts)
8. Yeah, I have seen that argument used too.
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 04:09 AM
Sep 2016

They also use our support for multiculturalism as an example of our trying to exert control on minorities in order to create chaos. It is amazing the gymnastics some can employ in order to blame minorities for tragedies to their communities.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
6. We should admit the mistakes of Democrats
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 03:43 AM
Sep 2016

if we are going to move forward. Racial anxieties were exploited by Democrats as well as republicans. There was a belief that "tough on crime" was a winning strategy and it could never have been doubted that that strategy would exploit minorities.

Democrats have contributed and denying that is a useless exercise. Bill Clinton acknowledges his role in what would become mass incarceration and has admitted that he was wrong.

The important difference is between past as prologue and a willingness to learn from past mistakes.

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