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[Proud liberal 80]

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[Jeffersons Ghost]

1. K&R They blame Bill Clinton! Can you describe the US economy, when Bill was president?

[The2ndWheel]

3. You can't say what other people's interests are

Are people besides you able to tell you what your interests are?

[Proud liberal 80]

6. i probably worded it wrong but

I meant that they vote for republicans even though their policies (or lack thereof) dont help them out economically.

[The2ndWheel]

7. I know what you were saying

That's always what people say when talking about other people's interests and how they vote against them. If it's self interest, then other people can't define what those interests are, as they are about the self. The most you can say is that other people are voting against your interests.

[Proud liberal 80]

8. Ok

But they cannot blame Democrats for their economic predicament when they voted for the Republicans who (by their policies and obstruction) put them in that predicament.

[The2ndWheel]

9. I'm sure they don't see it that way

You're going to see it that way, because you're a Democrat, voting for Democrats, because you believe in what the Democratic party says. If you're voting Republican, you'll see things from the other side. They'll blame Democrats the same way Democrats blame Republicans. It's part of the never ending dance.

[Proud liberal 80]

10. Why are you even on here?

You probably buy into the "both sides do it equally" memo that the MSM pushes.

[The2ndWheel]

13. It's tough to get people to vote for or with you

if you tell them what their self interests should be. Would you vote for someone doing that to you?

The only thing I buy is that politics are subjective, and it can be quite difficult getting people to change their minds on anything.

All I'm saying is that nobody gets to choose what someone else's interests are. Maybe Republicans vote against the collective interest, but that's different than self interest.

[Proud liberal 80]

17. So their real interest are

I don't want the "others" to get help, so even if I would benefit from Democratic policies, I will still vote Republican.

[The2ndWheel]

19. It's possible

Or it could vary from individual to individual. It would be easier to ask working class whites that vote Republican why they do so. Maybe some of them don't even like other white working class people, let alone any other people.

There are 7+ billion people on the planet. Over 300 million in this country. That's a lot of different opinions.

[Proud liberal 80]

23. You sound like a Blue Dog Democrat

That tries to appeal to people who will never vote for you anyway. Only to lose in the election because you turn off Progressives, too

[ronnie624]

11. Everyone has common interests.

It isn't simply a matter of belief. Republican economic ideology has harmed the working-class in general. The Democratic party has always been more inclined to benefit working people. There is a historical record, you know.

The false equivalence you're promoting, is the mantra of the ignorant and vacillating.

[The2ndWheel]

18. Top down economic ideology has harmed the working class

What complicates the issue is that that includes both Republicans and Democrats. Globalization, large scale technology, these have also hurt the working class. Maybe instead of having jobs with some sort of meaning for themselves, even if it's tough work, or outdated work, or whatever, now these people work in an office(or whatever job) because they're really not needed by society other than as taxpayers, and they have to pay the bills.

The original question was about the interests of the white working class. If you tell them that they're just wrong, it's not going to get anyone anywhere. If you tell women that they're just wrong, it's not going to get anyone anywhere. If you tell black people they're just wrong, it's not going to get anyone anywhere.

That's basically what every side does though. Any other side is just wrong. Fundamentally. Morally. Intellectually. Just wrong. Right off the bat. Odd that all the sides don't get anywhere.

[ronnie624]

22. The original version of the OP has a link to a CNN article.

It's essentially an attempt to rationalize white support for Trump, by blaming it on economic issues. It disgusts me to no end, watching CNN normalize fascism.

[JI7]

12. yup trump supporters interest is hating minorities

So they are voting their interest by supporting him.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

4. Is this some kind of code? Do you have another link?

[MicaelS]

14. I see nothing but a period.

Is this supposed to be some sort of code?

[Proud liberal 80]

16. Tried to delete

But don't know how.

The OP was about how the White Working Class continue to vote Republican, but then blame the Democrats for their economic problems. Although the problem is republican obstruction and policies. Hence voting against your interest. I then posted a link to a CNN article about the white working class in West Va. It wasn't well recieved so I tried to delete it.

[HughBeaumont]

21. It's the coal belt.

President Obama could give executive orders to raise all of their wages, lock up the mining barons and keep all of their mines intact and in the US (I know . . . "he can't" . . . but for the sake of argument) and they still wouldn't vote for a Democrat, much less one named "Clinton".

Their hate goes a lot deeper than coal jobs; they just aren't saying what it is.

[Proud liberal 80]

24. Bingo!

[PJMcK]

26. Glad you didn't delete

I read your original, unedited post, Proud liberal 80, and agree with your point about certain voters. From the thread, it seemed that The2ndWheel wanted to argue the rhetorical question, which you can't really do. That's what makes it rhetorical.

It's not too hard to self-delete a post. At the top of the page, click on the "My Posts" tab then open the offending post. When your post opens, click on the Self-delete button in the lower righthand side. You'll get a "can't undo" warning and if you decide to delete, click on the underlined "delete this post."

Glad you didn't delete it before I could read it!

[Proud liberal 80]

28. Thanks!

[lpbk2713]

15. This is hugh.

[bigwillq]

20. What about them?

[CBGLuthier]

25. I agree with your "." 100%

[underpants]

27. Hell no, I say !