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It's gotten to the point that if you are Black and your car breaks down, it's grounds to blow you away. And people are upset about taking a knee at the star spangled banner????
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/video-released-fatal-police-shooting-unarmed-oklahoma-man-article-1.2798435
BronxBoy
(2,286 posts)Coming home from a college class
BronxBoy
(2,286 posts)Because some asshole in a helicopter can make a baseless fucked up observation about an innocent black man that probably contributed to his senseless death
Colin Kapernick my ass
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)BronxBoy
(2,286 posts)Kapernicks protest garners hundreds of posts
But the very thing he's protesting against is met by silence
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)undergroundpanther
(11,925 posts)Awful.
malaise
(269,054 posts)Murder most foul
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)The idea seemed radical for so many. Years ago when Zimm killed Trayvon, not so much anymore. It is a grim and grisly fact of life.
There should be no group above critique, law enforcement included.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)killings of unarmed black men. Wonder if they will add this trigger happy asshole to the list.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)I heard Walmart is looking for greeters.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Justice doesn't always come, but it does sometimes. From the available video, it looks like this cop should also face criminal charges and a conviction.
Renaissance Man
(669 posts)Gee, I wonder where all of the posters are who were lambasting Kaepernick for the very thing he was protesting against? I guess we should just ignore this and salute the good ol' U S of A and fellate the Star Spangled Banner, because liberty and justice for all.
kentuck
(111,103 posts)they would not have shot to kill.
BronxBoy
(2,286 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... sick ass'd consequence is that !?!?
DinahMoeHum
(21,794 posts). . .during the national anthem. . .
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)He is moral and righteous.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)One guy in the audience lost his shit but everybody else was supportive.
johnp3907
(3,732 posts)pansypoo53219
(20,981 posts)tblue37
(65,403 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)This crap happens far to often and not just to black people. It is happening to all races and it is time for it to end for everyone.
OnlinePoker
(5,722 posts)Of the 697 people killed so far this year, 41 were unarmed with 19 White, 15 Black, 5 Hispanic and 2 unknown.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/
Last year, out of 990 killed by police, 93 were unarmed with 32 White, 38 Black, 18 Hispanic and 5 Other.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/
There's something severely wrong when 9 1/2% of fatal police shootings are of unarmed people.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)The numbers don't match the totals.
Regardless there are far too many people being shot by police.
hatrack
(59,587 posts)32 + 38 + 18 + 5 = 93
of the 697 killed by police 93 were people?
ah I see those are the unarmed people only. My poor reading comprehension sorry.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)It shows up in visual jokes in movies, in lazy tropes in casual storytelling, in descriptions of athletes, all sorts of places. It's not just cops, but cops are the most dangerous people to carry that idea around unquestioned.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)I think I did better this way time.
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/user/agg/blindspot/indexrw.htm
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)some of the conditioning? For the first half of the test, the have Euro and harmless sharing the same side, then they have Euro and weapon share the same side. Even when Euro/Harmless and AA/weapons flipped sides, I was okay. It wasn't until the swapped the pairings that I missed a few at the beginning.
haele
(12,660 posts)Apparently I have a slight association of weapons with Europeans. Must come from a mix of my years in the military and the past five years of living in a barrio neighborhood. I've always had more problems with peckerheads than I did with gang-bangers.
Haele
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Moostache
(9,895 posts)Your data suggest little to no difference in automatic association between Weapons and African American faces vs. European American faces.
Not sure if that was the intent of the test or not...seemed like an exercise in psychological conditioning by the way the test was set up in the first place. I thought that it would have been better to be more random between sets of images and mix it up more, but I guess they were trying to measure "knee-jerk" responses..
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)reflection
(6,286 posts)Their stares have the ability to rob you of your own humanity. The power that AAs wield is incalculable.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/florida-teen-beat-cops-dehumanizing-stare-article-1.1359319
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)The guy had his fuckin hands on the truck and in the air.
Hands up... don't shoot !!!
HipChick
(25,485 posts)True Dough
(17,305 posts)I don't know why a taser or pepper spray couldn't have been used if he was defying commands from police, which it appears he was.
brush
(53,787 posts)Too many assumptions and excuses being made for this shooting/murder.
We weren't there on the ground. We don't know what was said to him or that he was purposely defying them. With multiple cops yelling at you and a helicopter roaring overhead, the man did what he thought was best since it was pretty Goddamn apparent that they had no intention of helping him with his obviously broken down car stalled in the middle of the road. He put his hands up and was probably walking to his car hoping to get out of harms way from those predators.
RACIST, PANICKY, COWARDLY, TRIGGER-HAPPY COPS CONSTITUTE "HARMS WAY" TO BLACK MEN. HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO SEE THERE VIDEOS NOT TO KNOW THAT BY NOW?
They outnumbered a motorist with a broken down car 4 tp 1 and all they can come up with is "he's a bad dude", a taser and a kill shot.
Get these cowardly, panicky, trigger-happy, predator, racist cops off police forces everywhere.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)Her lights were on so her dash cam and body mic should be working.
SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)I read that her dashcam was not working, and so there is no footage of the beginning of incident, until backup arrived, with a dashcam that was actually activated.
It's much harder to get away with a lie when there is video, so many porkers just leave them off.
toddwv
(2,830 posts)brush
(53,787 posts)toddwv
(2,830 posts)It's pretty clear that he was showing his hands.
At "best" this was a jumpy cop with an itchy trigger finger. I just want to know where her dash cam video is. We've seen vid from several other sources but nothing about the initial interactions that led to a cop pulling a gun on an unarmed man with a vehicle that broke down.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)nt
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)It was parked and running in the middle of the street. Nobody seems to know why yet.
brush
(53,787 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 21, 2016, 08:29 AM - Edit history (1)
Where did you get that information?
And what does it matter? Does that make it ok to kill the guy?
"What he did between 5:30 p.m. and 7:36 p.m., when police were notified that his vehicle had been left running in the middle of 36th Street North near Lewis Avenue, is not known."
No I didn't say that made it okay to kill him. That's an asinine and unnecessary thing to say.
brush
(53,787 posts)And there's hardly any mention of an early report that those cops were on their way to another call when they just happened upon Crutcher.
Something's up but it'll all come out. The "left running" story seems to be a cya someone made up to make it seem like the guy was irrational, erratic and on drugs. The guy is dead so he certainly can't dispute it, which is probably the idea of the cya but we all saw the video. The guy was not acting irrational, erratic or impaired.
I know one thing, trigger-happy, racist, panicky, scared, predator cops need to be thrown off police forces all over the country.
That cop panicked and doesn't belong anywhere near a gun and a badge.
That job needs a cool head, courage and good judgement, none of which she has.
DLevine
(1,788 posts)niyad
(113,344 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)He looks like a co-worker and friend of mine, in terms of his size.
In no way is he a "bad dude."
Bettie
(16,110 posts)and people make up excuses to make this the victim's fault.
I'm sickened.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)to "teach them a lesson".
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)INEXCUSABLE.
There's plain and simple NO reason WHATSOEVER that Betty Shelby needed to gun down Terence Crutcher and leave him to die. NONE.
Marr
(20,317 posts)him to, he would be alive.
If we're all on the same page that the police are too trigger happy, particularly with black men-- and I am right there with you-- then we must acknowledge that it's not smart to give them an excuse to fire. So rather than just shouting that he SHOULDN'T be dead, maybe it would be more useful to help the next potential victim avoid getting shot.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)I'm sorry, that sounds like justification to me.
At the very worst, if I didn't comply with police orders, I'd be beaten/subdued, but likely not shot dead. With black men, they're not even LOOKING for a peaceful way out. Shoot first, make up excuses while they lie there dead.
There did not need to be five officers and a helicopter for a stopped vehicle. They didn't have to huddle up and obscure the dash cam.
Betty Shelby is likely going to get away with this, just as Timothy Loehmann did with Tamir Rice.
It'd be more useful to not hire trigger-happy whackjobs who aren't mentally up to snuff to perform a high-risk position on my tax dollars.
I will NEVER side with police when it comes to this issue. NEVER. I have black nephews and a niece. I can't remain calm.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Would you tell your son to ignore police orders in a situation like this, because they're unfair, or unjustified? I doubt it. So why so casual with other peoples' lives?
I'll concede every point you make here. They did not need five officers. They did not need to have their guns drawn. Cops shouldn't be so trigger happy. But five cops were there, their guns were drawn, and they are too trigger happy. So now what? Righteous indignation won't stop a bullet.
I don't see how anyone can be against casual police shootings AND claim that urging compliance is 'justifying' improper police shootings. It's anything but-- it's acknowledging the fact that it's a real problem.
Number23
(24,544 posts)the unjustifiable.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)raped.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)As if willful disobedience and minding your own business are even remotely the same
Marr
(20,317 posts)Last edited Tue Sep 20, 2016, 09:36 PM - Edit history (2)
Not so much.
Bettie
(16,110 posts)his hands on the car. So, he was walking to the car to comply.
But the fact is that if he were a white guy having car trouble, he would not be treated as a suspect, even if he was frantic, he'd be treated as a motorist having trouble.
That is the problem, the automatic assumption that he must be a "bad dude" if his skin contains more melanin than the cop's.
SunSeeker
(51,572 posts)http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/video-shows-tulsa-man-hands-police-shooting-42212743?cid=share_addthis_widget
No "protocol" on how to render aid to people? How about going by common decency?
Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)Flying up on him quickly in their car, and literally killing him 2 seconds later and then doing NOTHING as the 12-13 yr old looking "suspect" lay bleeding to death while they did NOTHING to try to keep him from dying. We have sickness in this country when they're not forced by law to try to render aid after shooting - but even worse, that they get off for doing the act when simply using their PA system ordering him to lay down would have almost certainly prevented the murder.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)the American people that they can't even differentiate what's common sense - protecting and executing our 1st Amendment Rights - and what's just outright stupidity propagated by "news" outlets posing as our Fourth Estate.
matt819
(10,749 posts)This cop should be arrested.
I'd like to think this will end when cops are arrested, convicted, and jailed. Unfortunately, that's happening, and still the murders continue. Yeah, it was stupid for this guy to walk away, but his hands were up, regardless of the ass-covering lie that he won't show his hands.
Laws need to be changed. It's time for state and federal law enforcement to take over investigation of all police killings of unarmed people. And when cops kill unarmed black people, the initial assumption should be that it's a hate crime, and the feds should assume control over the investigation, both as a homicide and as a hate crime. Also, it's long past time for cops to stand up for what's right and not automatically back up their fellow cops who are killers.
lark
(23,105 posts)OMG, WTF was wrong with that white woman cop that shot him (forget her name)? Hope she can't sleep at night for the rest of her life. Also wish that life to be in jail.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)American Citizens must not allow this hate and fear of the "other" to continue. Our police are sworn to "Protect and Serve" their community. The minority must not be allowed to bring shame to the majority nation of immigrants who fought for religious, political, personal freedom and justice. Shooting an unarmed man is the act of a coward and brings shame to all professional policemen around the world, imo.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)On May 31 and June 1, 1921, hundreds of whites led a racially motivated attack on the black community of Greenwood in Tulsa, Oklahoma, killing some 300 people, mostly blacks. The attack, carried out on the ground and by air, destroyed more than 35 blocks of the district, then the wealthiest black community in the nation. More than 800 people were admitted to hospitals and more than 6,000 black residents were arrested and detained, some for as many as eight days.[2] The official count of the dead by the Oklahoma Bureau of Vital Statistics was 39.
The attack left an estimated 10,000 people homeless. Fire destroyed 1,256 homes and 191 businesses, as well as the communitys churches, junior high school, and hospitals.The riot was triggered over a Memorial Day weekend by a report in two white newspapers that a black youth had tried to rapeor at least assaulta young white woman elevator operator. One of the newspapers allegedly editorialized that the youth ought to be hanged. Rumors raced through the black community that a lynch mob was planning to hang the youth. A group of armed African-American men rushed to the police station with the intention of preventing a lynching from occurring. There was no lynch mob but a confrontation developed between blacks and whites; shots were fired and some whites were killed. As the news spread throughout the city, mob violence exploded. Thousands of whites rampaged through the black community, killing men and women, burning and looting stores and homes. Some blacks claimed that policemen had joined the mob; others claimed that a machine gun was fired into the black community and a plane dropped sticks of dynamite.[3] In an eyewitness account discovered in 2015, Greenwood attorney Buck Colbert Franklin describes watching a dozen or more airplanes drop burning balls of turpentine on the citys rooftops. None of the areas half-dozen fire stations sounded an alarm, and Franklin remembers wondering, Is the city in conspiracy with the mob? [4] In 2001, 80 years after the massacre, the state-appointed Tulsa Race Riot Commission recommended reparations to survivors and their descendants because the city had, indeed, conspired with the mob.[5]
The events of the massacre were long omitted from local and state histories: "The Tulsa race riot of 1921 was rarely mentioned in history books, classrooms or even in private. Blacks and whites alike grew into middle age unaware of what had taken place."[6] With the number of survivors declining, in 1996, the state legislature commissioned a report to establish the historical record of the events, and acknowledge the victims and damages to the black community. Released in 2001, the report included the commission's recommendations for some compensatory actions, most of which were not implemented by the state and city governments. The state passed legislation to establish some scholarships for descendants of survivors, economic development of Greenwood, and a memorial park to the victims in Tulsa. The latter was dedicated in 2010.
I lived in Tulsa in 1990 and 1991. The people I knew and hung out with were very lovely. But there was an undercurrent I sensed from others.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)They showed a still frame where you can see the window is up and covered in blood. Fucking murdering cop.
DLevine
(1,788 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)randr
(12,412 posts)will demand our police unions and other organizations come forward with a condemnation of such acts. Until then they will continue to increase their collective stink appeal.
Joey Liberal
(5,526 posts)If this doesn't result in indictments it will be a travesty of justice.
yuiyoshida
(41,832 posts)TonyPDX
(962 posts)They just mete out death sentences-- screw due process.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I'm sure all the police shootings in previous decades were totally legit, of course.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)Part of their training is watching videos of traffic stops gone wrong where the cop gets murdered.
Now anyone who reaches back in their car is reaching for a gun.
That incident a few years ago where the young black kid gets pulled over in a gas station and reaches in his SUV to get his license and ends up getting shot in the ass. You could hear the terror in that cop's voice as he shoots the kid.
Another incident where an old man reaches in to the bed of his pickup truck to retrieve his cane. Blam!!
I remember back in the 80s when dash cams came in to wider and wider use. We were all treated to front row seats on the evening news (or dash cam shows) of cops being murdered. The constant refrain was how these tragic videos would at least be used for training purposes.
Thirty plus years of training cops to shoot first is what we are dealing with.
That's not to say a huge part of this is not racism because it is.
We have a racism problem. A training problem. An accountability problem. AND a gun problem.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And certainly the hyper-militarization of the police hasn't helped. I mean, they throw flash grenades at babies because someone might be smoking a joint in their own living room.
But I also shudder to think how many of these were undoubtedly swept under the rug before there was video evidence.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Oneironaut
(5,504 posts)It's the "programming" in your mind that instantly associates dark skin with crime (or other negative stereotypes). This is not easily destroyed because:
A - It's purely internalized
B - The people who do it (a good chunk of society) don't believe that they are racist. This leads to defensiveness and an unwillingness to self-examine their racist thoughts.
C - Even this post sounds like it's sanctimoniously lecturing others that they're bad people. Nobody is perfect. Racism is so "non-PC" to discuss that it remains a hidden evil in our society, always present and yet mostly ignored.
Racism is still associated with the KKK, and outward expressions of hate and bigotry. That's wrong. Racism is a virus that lays dormant in our subconscious, influencing even the tiniest of our interactions.