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"Looks like one bad dude" (Original Post) BronxBoy Sep 2016 OP
Kick BronxBoy Sep 2016 #1
Kick BronxBoy Sep 2016 #2
K&R for visibility etherealtruth Sep 2016 #3
Thank you BronxBoy Sep 2016 #4
So true Glassunion Sep 2016 #11
Kick undergroundpanther Sep 2016 #5
Sickening malaise Sep 2016 #6
K & R ......for visibility..nt Wounded Bear Sep 2016 #7
That is it right there, people need to realize he was murdered. Rex Sep 2016 #8
In the last few years Oklahoma has actually managed to put two LEOs in prison for their CBGLuthier Sep 2016 #9
The pilot needs a new job as well... freebrew Sep 2016 #39
Don't forget Daniel Holtzclaw and all of the rapes he committed mythology Sep 2016 #86
*crickets* ... Renaissance Man Sep 2016 #10
If he had been a terrorist... kentuck Sep 2016 #12
Amazing isn't it? n/t BronxBoy Sep 2016 #13
+1, especially at that distance !! the person who shot gets paid leave... what the fuck kind of uponit7771 Sep 2016 #28
At the game between Chicago Bears/Philadelphia Eagles tonight. . . DinahMoeHum Sep 2016 #14
Good for them. Good for Kaepernick - I approve of his movement. Lucky Luciano Sep 2016 #19
Saw this live last week (not my video, my seats were not so great) LeftyMom Sep 2016 #25
Translation: "Looks like a black dude." johnp3907 Sep 2016 #15
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #29
OMG! and he's HUGE! SCAREE!!!!! pansypoo53219 Sep 2016 #59
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Sep 2016 #16
K&R Sunny05 Sep 2016 #17
More and more I think the police need to be disarmed Egnever Sep 2016 #18
Washington Post has been keeping tabs on those killed by police OnlinePoker Sep 2016 #20
The math there is strange Egnever Sep 2016 #21
They match - 19 + 15 + 5 + 2= 41 hatrack Sep 2016 #22
well Egnever Sep 2016 #23
There's an unstated cultural assumption that black bodies are inherently weaponized. LeftyMom Sep 2016 #24
I remember taking this test several years ago and being surprised how bad I did. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2016 #30
Marking for later - says not to do it on smartphone. Lucky Luciano Sep 2016 #35
Is the test not doing awoke_in_2003 Sep 2016 #65
Odd test. haele Sep 2016 #66
not sure what this means but Egnever Sep 2016 #68
Same thing I got... Moostache Sep 2016 #79
Yes Liberal_in_LA Sep 2016 #32
^^This^^^ n/t Gormy Cuss Sep 2016 #50
It's worse than you think. reflection Sep 2016 #69
I can't watch ............ another................... one of these uponit7771 Sep 2016 #26
They don't even think to come out with a reason a shot was fired from that distance at all !!! uponit7771 Sep 2016 #27
Code for he's black... HipChick Sep 2016 #31
Aerial footage of the incident (graphic warning) True Dough Sep 2016 #33
How was he defying commands with his hands in the air? brush Sep 2016 #34
+1...nt freebrew Sep 2016 #40
I'm im wondering why we are not seeing he initial officer's dash cam video. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2016 #43
She "Forgot" To Turn It On SoCalMusicLover Sep 2016 #78
"I've shot a subject who won't show me his hands." toddwv Sep 2016 #46
Why are you saying that? Watch the video. The guy's hands were in the air. brush Sep 2016 #84
That was what she said right after yelling "SHOTS FIRED!" toddwv Sep 2016 #88
I can't watch it. MynameisBlarney Sep 2016 #45
Just FYI...his car didn't break down. NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #36
You're the only one saying that? No reports of that. All are saying his car broke down brush Sep 2016 #85
... NaturalHigh Sep 2016 #89
Something doesn't sound right with the report that his car was left running in the road. brush Sep 2016 #91
K&R. nt DLevine Sep 2016 #37
k and r niyad Sep 2016 #38
That one comment says it all. cwydro Sep 2016 #41
Disgusting Bettie Sep 2016 #42
It's almost as if this was a summary execution MynameisBlarney Sep 2016 #44
It was a summary execution, no almost about it. n/t jtuck004 Sep 2016 #63
The pinnacle of disgust are DU members attempting to justify this shooting. HughBeaumont Sep 2016 #47
I don't think it's 'justifying the shooting' to say that if he'd stopped walking as the cops told Marr Sep 2016 #48
So . . . "Do exactly as you're told or you'll be SHOT DEAD"??? HughBeaumont Sep 2016 #51
That isn't justification, it's simple self-preservation. Marr Sep 2016 #53
Well said, and you're absolutely right. It sure as hell does sound like somebody trying to justify Number23 Sep 2016 #90
this is as helpful as when people tell women to wear more clothes or not drink to avoid getting La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2016 #56
And just like that you run to the rape comparison Egnever Sep 2016 #80
To him? Yes. To people who may be pulled over today, or tomorrow, or the day after that? Marr Sep 2016 #83
My guess is that the cops were telling him to put Bettie Sep 2016 #87
And then they let him bleed out. SunSeeker Sep 2016 #49
Immediately thought of them killing Tamir Rice Divine Discontent Sep 2016 #58
+20,904 Angry Dragon Sep 2016 #61
I swear! Sometimes you wonder if iodine deficiency in the American diet is causing this idiocy among BlueCaliDem Sep 2016 #52
Fuck administrative leave matt819 Sep 2016 #54
That was so terrible to watch, lark Sep 2016 #55
This is not the wild west. saidsimplesimon Sep 2016 #57
good post Angry Dragon Sep 2016 #60
Tulsa and race... Cooley Hurd Sep 2016 #62
Here ya go SHRED Sep 2016 #64
+1 DLevine Sep 2016 #71
Holy Shit! News conference shows the window of the car he supposedly reached into was rolled up. CBGLuthier Sep 2016 #67
Yes, I saw it too. He was executed. nt DLevine Sep 2016 #72
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #92
At some point the citizens of America, hopefully with the prompting of the press, randr Sep 2016 #70
Makes me sick Joey Liberal Sep 2016 #73
THis! yuiyoshida Sep 2016 #74
How do these killers live with themselves? Whom do they believe they're protecting? TonyPDX Sep 2016 #75
it's interesting how this stuff only started once cameras became ubiquitous. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #76
I have a theory these dash cams have made things worse. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2016 #81
I think you are right in your last sentence, for sure. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #82
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #93
Racism is mostly internal. Oneironaut Sep 2016 #77

BronxBoy

(2,286 posts)
2. Kick
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 07:30 PM
Sep 2016

Because some asshole in a helicopter can make a baseless fucked up observation about an innocent black man that probably contributed to his senseless death

Colin Kapernick my ass

BronxBoy

(2,286 posts)
4. Thank you
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 07:39 PM
Sep 2016

Kapernicks protest garners hundreds of posts

But the very thing he's protesting against is met by silence

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
8. That is it right there, people need to realize he was murdered.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:11 PM
Sep 2016

The idea seemed radical for so many. Years ago when Zimm killed Trayvon, not so much anymore. It is a grim and grisly fact of life.

There should be no group above critique, law enforcement included.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
9. In the last few years Oklahoma has actually managed to put two LEOs in prison for their
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:15 PM
Sep 2016

killings of unarmed black men. Wonder if they will add this trigger happy asshole to the list.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
86. Don't forget Daniel Holtzclaw and all of the rapes he committed
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 09:10 PM
Sep 2016

Justice doesn't always come, but it does sometimes. From the available video, it looks like this cop should also face criminal charges and a conviction.

Renaissance Man

(669 posts)
10. *crickets* ...
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:16 PM
Sep 2016

Gee, I wonder where all of the posters are who were lambasting Kaepernick for the very thing he was protesting against? I guess we should just ignore this and salute the good ol' U S of A and fellate the Star Spangled Banner, because liberty and justice for all.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
28. +1, especially at that distance !! the person who shot gets paid leave... what the fuck kind of
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 12:28 AM
Sep 2016

... sick ass'd consequence is that !?!?

DinahMoeHum

(21,794 posts)
14. At the game between Chicago Bears/Philadelphia Eagles tonight. . .
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:47 PM
Sep 2016

. . .during the national anthem. . .

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
25. Saw this live last week (not my video, my seats were not so great)
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 10:53 PM
Sep 2016


One guy in the audience lost his shit but everybody else was supportive.
 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
18. More and more I think the police need to be disarmed
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 09:22 PM
Sep 2016

This crap happens far to often and not just to black people. It is happening to all races and it is time for it to end for everyone.

OnlinePoker

(5,722 posts)
20. Washington Post has been keeping tabs on those killed by police
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 09:55 PM
Sep 2016

Of the 697 people killed so far this year, 41 were unarmed with 19 White, 15 Black, 5 Hispanic and 2 unknown.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/

Last year, out of 990 killed by police, 93 were unarmed with 32 White, 38 Black, 18 Hispanic and 5 Other.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

There's something severely wrong when 9 1/2% of fatal police shootings are of unarmed people.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
21. The math there is strange
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 10:00 PM
Sep 2016

The numbers don't match the totals.


Regardless there are far too many people being shot by police.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
23. well
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 10:44 PM
Sep 2016

of the 697 killed by police 93 were people?

ah I see those are the unarmed people only. My poor reading comprehension sorry.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
24. There's an unstated cultural assumption that black bodies are inherently weaponized.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 10:49 PM
Sep 2016

It shows up in visual jokes in movies, in lazy tropes in casual storytelling, in descriptions of athletes, all sorts of places. It's not just cops, but cops are the most dangerous people to carry that idea around unquestioned.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
65. Is the test not doing
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 04:57 PM
Sep 2016

some of the conditioning? For the first half of the test, the have Euro and harmless sharing the same side, then they have Euro and weapon share the same side. Even when Euro/Harmless and AA/weapons flipped sides, I was okay. It wasn't until the swapped the pairings that I missed a few at the beginning.

haele

(12,660 posts)
66. Odd test.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 04:58 PM
Sep 2016

Apparently I have a slight association of weapons with Europeans. Must come from a mix of my years in the military and the past five years of living in a barrio neighborhood. I've always had more problems with peckerheads than I did with gang-bangers.

Haele
 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
68. not sure what this means but
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 05:04 PM
Sep 2016
Your data suggest little to no difference in automatic association between Weapons and European American faces vs. African American faces.


Moostache

(9,895 posts)
79. Same thing I got...
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 06:44 PM
Sep 2016
Your data suggest little to no difference in automatic association between Weapons and African American faces vs. European American faces.


Not sure if that was the intent of the test or not...seemed like an exercise in psychological conditioning by the way the test was set up in the first place. I thought that it would have been better to be more random between sets of images and mix it up more, but I guess they were trying to measure "knee-jerk" responses..

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
27. They don't even think to come out with a reason a shot was fired from that distance at all !!!
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 12:27 AM
Sep 2016

The guy had his fuckin hands on the truck and in the air.

Hands up... don't shoot !!!

True Dough

(17,305 posts)
33. Aerial footage of the incident (graphic warning)
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 02:44 AM
Sep 2016

I don't know why a taser or pepper spray couldn't have been used if he was defying commands from police, which it appears he was.

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brush

(53,787 posts)
34. How was he defying commands with his hands in the air?
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 03:47 AM
Sep 2016

Too many assumptions and excuses being made for this shooting/murder.

We weren't there on the ground. We don't know what was said to him or that he was purposely defying them. With multiple cops yelling at you and a helicopter roaring overhead, the man did what he thought was best since it was pretty Goddamn apparent that they had no intention of helping him with his obviously broken down car stalled in the middle of the road. He put his hands up and was probably walking to his car hoping to get out of harms way from those predators.

RACIST, PANICKY, COWARDLY, TRIGGER-HAPPY COPS CONSTITUTE "HARMS WAY" TO BLACK MEN. HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO SEE THERE VIDEOS NOT TO KNOW THAT BY NOW?

They outnumbered a motorist with a broken down car 4 tp 1 and all they can come up with is "he's a bad dude", a taser and a kill shot.

Get these cowardly, panicky, trigger-happy, predator, racist cops off police forces everywhere.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
43. I'm im wondering why we are not seeing he initial officer's dash cam video.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 12:49 PM
Sep 2016

Her lights were on so her dash cam and body mic should be working.

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
78. She "Forgot" To Turn It On
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 06:35 PM
Sep 2016

I read that her dashcam was not working, and so there is no footage of the beginning of incident, until backup arrived, with a dashcam that was actually activated.

It's much harder to get away with a lie when there is video, so many porkers just leave them off.

toddwv

(2,830 posts)
88. That was what she said right after yelling "SHOTS FIRED!"
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 10:26 AM
Sep 2016

It's pretty clear that he was showing his hands.

At "best" this was a jumpy cop with an itchy trigger finger. I just want to know where her dash cam video is. We've seen vid from several other sources but nothing about the initial interactions that led to a cop pulling a gun on an unarmed man with a vehicle that broke down.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
36. Just FYI...his car didn't break down.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 09:02 AM
Sep 2016

It was parked and running in the middle of the street. Nobody seems to know why yet.

brush

(53,787 posts)
85. You're the only one saying that? No reports of that. All are saying his car broke down
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 08:46 PM
Sep 2016

Last edited Wed Sep 21, 2016, 08:29 AM - Edit history (1)

Where did you get that information?

And what does it matter? Does that make it ok to kill the guy?

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
89. ...
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 11:03 PM
Sep 2016
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/betty-shelby-who-fatally-shot-terence-crutcher-has-received-death/article_24404b5e-52dd-54fe-9c60-0213caef8223.html


"What he did between 5:30 p.m. and 7:36 p.m., when police were notified that his vehicle had been left running in the middle of 36th Street North near Lewis Avenue, is not known."

No I didn't say that made it okay to kill him. That's an asinine and unnecessary thing to say.

brush

(53,787 posts)
91. Something doesn't sound right with the report that his car was left running in the road.
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 12:52 AM
Sep 2016

And there's hardly any mention of an early report that those cops were on their way to another call when they just happened upon Crutcher.

Something's up but it'll all come out. The "left running" story seems to be a cya someone made up to make it seem like the guy was irrational, erratic and on drugs. The guy is dead so he certainly can't dispute it, which is probably the idea of the cya but we all saw the video. The guy was not acting irrational, erratic or impaired.

I know one thing, trigger-happy, racist, panicky, scared, predator cops need to be thrown off police forces all over the country.

That cop panicked and doesn't belong anywhere near a gun and a badge.

That job needs a cool head, courage and good judgement, none of which she has.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
41. That one comment says it all.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 11:51 AM
Sep 2016

He looks like a co-worker and friend of mine, in terms of his size.

In no way is he a "bad dude."

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
47. The pinnacle of disgust are DU members attempting to justify this shooting.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 01:09 PM
Sep 2016

INEXCUSABLE.

There's plain and simple NO reason WHATSOEVER that Betty Shelby needed to gun down Terence Crutcher and leave him to die. NONE.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
48. I don't think it's 'justifying the shooting' to say that if he'd stopped walking as the cops told
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 01:21 PM
Sep 2016

him to, he would be alive.

If we're all on the same page that the police are too trigger happy, particularly with black men-- and I am right there with you-- then we must acknowledge that it's not smart to give them an excuse to fire. So rather than just shouting that he SHOULDN'T be dead, maybe it would be more useful to help the next potential victim avoid getting shot.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
51. So . . . "Do exactly as you're told or you'll be SHOT DEAD"???
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 01:39 PM
Sep 2016

I'm sorry, that sounds like justification to me.

At the very worst, if I didn't comply with police orders, I'd be beaten/subdued, but likely not shot dead. With black men, they're not even LOOKING for a peaceful way out. Shoot first, make up excuses while they lie there dead.

There did not need to be five officers and a helicopter for a stopped vehicle. They didn't have to huddle up and obscure the dash cam.

Betty Shelby is likely going to get away with this, just as Timothy Loehmann did with Tamir Rice.

It'd be more useful to not hire trigger-happy whackjobs who aren't mentally up to snuff to perform a high-risk position on my tax dollars.

I will NEVER side with police when it comes to this issue. NEVER. I have black nephews and a niece. I can't remain calm.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
53. That isn't justification, it's simple self-preservation.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 01:44 PM
Sep 2016

Would you tell your son to ignore police orders in a situation like this, because they're unfair, or unjustified? I doubt it. So why so casual with other peoples' lives?

I'll concede every point you make here. They did not need five officers. They did not need to have their guns drawn. Cops shouldn't be so trigger happy. But five cops were there, their guns were drawn, and they are too trigger happy. So now what? Righteous indignation won't stop a bullet.

I don't see how anyone can be against casual police shootings AND claim that urging compliance is 'justifying' improper police shootings. It's anything but-- it's acknowledging the fact that it's a real problem.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
90. Well said, and you're absolutely right. It sure as hell does sound like somebody trying to justify
Wed Sep 21, 2016, 11:40 PM
Sep 2016

the unjustifiable.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
56. this is as helpful as when people tell women to wear more clothes or not drink to avoid getting
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 02:03 PM
Sep 2016

raped.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
80. And just like that you run to the rape comparison
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 06:54 PM
Sep 2016

As if willful disobedience and minding your own business are even remotely the same

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
83. To him? Yes. To people who may be pulled over today, or tomorrow, or the day after that?
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 08:02 PM
Sep 2016

Last edited Tue Sep 20, 2016, 09:36 PM - Edit history (2)

Not so much.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
87. My guess is that the cops were telling him to put
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 10:46 PM
Sep 2016

his hands on the car. So, he was walking to the car to comply.

But the fact is that if he were a white guy having car trouble, he would not be treated as a suspect, even if he was frantic, he'd be treated as a motorist having trouble.

That is the problem, the automatic assumption that he must be a "bad dude" if his skin contains more melanin than the cop's.

SunSeeker

(51,572 posts)
49. And then they let him bleed out.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 01:23 PM
Sep 2016
After the shooting, Crutcher could be seen lying on the side of the road, blood pooling around his body, for nearly two minutes before anyone checked on him. When asked why police did not provide immediate assistance, MacKenzie said: "I don't know that we have protocol on how to render aid to people."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/video-shows-tulsa-man-hands-police-shooting-42212743?cid=share_addthis_widget


No "protocol" on how to render aid to people? How about going by common decency?

Divine Discontent

(21,056 posts)
58. Immediately thought of them killing Tamir Rice
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 03:10 PM
Sep 2016

Flying up on him quickly in their car, and literally killing him 2 seconds later and then doing NOTHING as the 12-13 yr old looking "suspect" lay bleeding to death while they did NOTHING to try to keep him from dying. We have sickness in this country when they're not forced by law to try to render aid after shooting - but even worse, that they get off for doing the act when simply using their PA system ordering him to lay down would have almost certainly prevented the murder.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
52. I swear! Sometimes you wonder if iodine deficiency in the American diet is causing this idiocy among
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 01:42 PM
Sep 2016

the American people that they can't even differentiate what's common sense - protecting and executing our 1st Amendment Rights - and what's just outright stupidity propagated by "news" outlets posing as our Fourth Estate.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
54. Fuck administrative leave
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 01:52 PM
Sep 2016

This cop should be arrested.

I'd like to think this will end when cops are arrested, convicted, and jailed. Unfortunately, that's happening, and still the murders continue. Yeah, it was stupid for this guy to walk away, but his hands were up, regardless of the ass-covering lie that he won't show his hands.

Laws need to be changed. It's time for state and federal law enforcement to take over investigation of all police killings of unarmed people. And when cops kill unarmed black people, the initial assumption should be that it's a hate crime, and the feds should assume control over the investigation, both as a homicide and as a hate crime. Also, it's long past time for cops to stand up for what's right and not automatically back up their fellow cops who are killers.

lark

(23,105 posts)
55. That was so terrible to watch,
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 02:02 PM
Sep 2016

OMG, WTF was wrong with that white woman cop that shot him (forget her name)? Hope she can't sleep at night for the rest of her life. Also wish that life to be in jail.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
57. This is not the wild west.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 02:09 PM
Sep 2016

American Citizens must not allow this hate and fear of the "other" to continue. Our police are sworn to "Protect and Serve" their community. The minority must not be allowed to bring shame to the majority nation of immigrants who fought for religious, political, personal freedom and justice. Shooting an unarmed man is the act of a coward and brings shame to all professional policemen around the world, imo.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
62. Tulsa and race...
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 03:49 PM
Sep 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot



On May 31 and June 1, 1921, hundreds of whites led a racially motivated attack on the black community of Greenwood in Tulsa, Oklahoma, killing some 300 people, mostly blacks. The attack, carried out on the ground and by air, destroyed more than 35 blocks of the district, then the wealthiest black community in the nation. More than 800 people were admitted to hospitals and more than 6,000 black residents were arrested and detained, some for as many as eight days.[2] The official count of the dead by the Oklahoma Bureau of Vital Statistics was 39.

The attack left an estimated 10,000 people homeless. Fire destroyed 1,256 homes and 191 businesses, as well as the community’s churches, junior high school, and hospitals.The riot was triggered over a Memorial Day weekend by a report in two white newspapers that a black youth had tried to rape—or at least assault—a young white woman elevator operator. One of the newspapers allegedly editorialized that the youth ought to be hanged. Rumors raced through the black community that a lynch mob was planning to hang the youth. A group of armed African-American men rushed to the police station with the intention of preventing a lynching from occurring. There was no lynch mob but a confrontation developed between blacks and whites; shots were fired and some whites were killed. As the news spread throughout the city, mob violence exploded. Thousands of whites rampaged through the black community, killing men and women, burning and looting stores and homes. Some blacks claimed that policemen had joined the mob; others claimed that a machine gun was fired into the black community and a plane dropped sticks of dynamite.[3] In an eyewitness account discovered in 2015, Greenwood attorney Buck Colbert Franklin describes watching a dozen or more airplanes drop burning balls of turpentine on the city’s rooftops. None of the area’s half-dozen fire stations sounded an alarm, and Franklin remembers wondering, “’Is the city in conspiracy with the mob?’” [4] In 2001, 80 years after the massacre, the state-appointed Tulsa Race Riot Commission recommended reparations to survivors and their descendants because the city had, indeed, conspired with the mob.[5]

The events of the massacre were long omitted from local and state histories: "The Tulsa race riot of 1921 was rarely mentioned in history books, classrooms or even in private. Blacks and whites alike grew into middle age unaware of what had taken place."[6] With the number of survivors declining, in 1996, the state legislature commissioned a report to establish the historical record of the events, and acknowledge the victims and damages to the black community. Released in 2001, the report included the commission's recommendations for some compensatory actions, most of which were not implemented by the state and city governments. The state passed legislation to establish some scholarships for descendants of survivors, economic development of Greenwood, and a memorial park to the victims in Tulsa. The latter was dedicated in 2010.



I lived in Tulsa in 1990 and 1991. The people I knew and hung out with were very lovely. But there was an undercurrent I sensed from others.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
67. Holy Shit! News conference shows the window of the car he supposedly reached into was rolled up.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 05:03 PM
Sep 2016

They showed a still frame where you can see the window is up and covered in blood. Fucking murdering cop.

randr

(12,412 posts)
70. At some point the citizens of America, hopefully with the prompting of the press,
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 05:37 PM
Sep 2016

will demand our police unions and other organizations come forward with a condemnation of such acts. Until then they will continue to increase their collective stink appeal.

TonyPDX

(962 posts)
75. How do these killers live with themselves? Whom do they believe they're protecting?
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 06:23 PM
Sep 2016

They just mete out death sentences-- screw due process.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
76. it's interesting how this stuff only started once cameras became ubiquitous.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 06:35 PM
Sep 2016

I'm sure all the police shootings in previous decades were totally legit, of course.


Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
81. I have a theory these dash cams have made things worse.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 07:30 PM
Sep 2016

Part of their training is watching videos of traffic stops gone wrong where the cop gets murdered.

Now anyone who reaches back in their car is reaching for a gun.

That incident a few years ago where the young black kid gets pulled over in a gas station and reaches in his SUV to get his license and ends up getting shot in the ass. You could hear the terror in that cop's voice as he shoots the kid.

Another incident where an old man reaches in to the bed of his pickup truck to retrieve his cane. Blam!!

I remember back in the 80s when dash cams came in to wider and wider use. We were all treated to front row seats on the evening news (or dash cam shows) of cops being murdered. The constant refrain was how these tragic videos would at least be used for training purposes.

Thirty plus years of training cops to shoot first is what we are dealing with.

That's not to say a huge part of this is not racism because it is.

We have a racism problem. A training problem. An accountability problem. AND a gun problem.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
82. I think you are right in your last sentence, for sure.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 07:32 PM
Sep 2016

And certainly the hyper-militarization of the police hasn't helped. I mean, they throw flash grenades at babies because someone might be smoking a joint in their own living room.


But I also shudder to think how many of these were undoubtedly swept under the rug before there was video evidence.


Oneironaut

(5,504 posts)
77. Racism is mostly internal.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 06:35 PM
Sep 2016

It's the "programming" in your mind that instantly associates dark skin with crime (or other negative stereotypes). This is not easily destroyed because:

A - It's purely internalized
B - The people who do it (a good chunk of society) don't believe that they are racist. This leads to defensiveness and an unwillingness to self-examine their racist thoughts.
C - Even this post sounds like it's sanctimoniously lecturing others that they're bad people. Nobody is perfect. Racism is so "non-PC" to discuss that it remains a hidden evil in our society, always present and yet mostly ignored.

Racism is still associated with the KKK, and outward expressions of hate and bigotry. That's wrong. Racism is a virus that lays dormant in our subconscious, influencing even the tiniest of our interactions.

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