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moonscape

(4,673 posts)
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 05:40 PM Sep 2016

How can this 'unprecedented' environment be changed?

There's a thread in GD2016 using the word 'unprecedented' and that word feeds my insomnia. We can use the word 'unprecedented' almost every day of this disturbing campaign.

What keeps me up at night, is what Trump has unleashed, and how this potentially is altering civilized society for the foreseeable future. I understand it was brewing, away from my eye, but the deterioration the Republicans have increasingly allowed to be mainstream is horrific.

It's hard to see how Hillary will be able to govern. The ugliness will continue ... how will it be tamped down? How as a society will this be addressed?

Someone was saying the other day that it used to be the Republicans had a 40% lock, the Democrats 40%, and both sides were reaching for the remaining 20%. Then it became the lock was more 45/45 and that continues narrowing ... so everyone is becoming more entrenched, not speaking to the other side, etc. Gone are the days of a Mondale-like map defeat. By all sanity, Hillary should take 50 states.

Long ago, in conversations with conservatives, I would preface with the 'both sides do it' statement because even if I couldn't quite see it, I knew I was partisan enough that perhaps my lens was cloudy. That changed some time ago, before the Tea Party rise. We =don't= do what they do, so mostly I avoid conversations with conservatives to keep my blood pressure in check. So I rhetorically wonder: am I part of the global problem that we're increasingly unable to have reasoned, rational differences of opinion and discourse? Should I not shut down with conservatives? How many old-style conservatives are left to even talk to?

How the f'ety-f will this change?

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How can this 'unprecedented' environment be changed? (Original Post) moonscape Sep 2016 OP
Too many relatives died in prison camps during the rise of facism n Europe. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2016 #1
Given the likely continuation of the current environment ... surrealAmerican Sep 2016 #2
Rove & Bush poisoned the well. They deemed it was better to win by a sure 51% than an iffy 55%. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #3
Another factor is the RW Authoritarian and RWA Follower mind set. They don't do nuance. See Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #4

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
1. Too many relatives died in prison camps during the rise of facism n Europe.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 06:12 PM
Sep 2016

I do not have the income to move, don't have a job to move to, but will have to consider moving to Israel. The anti-Semitism and racism are only one aspect. A Trump win will, I suspect, see Republicans take control fo all branches of government. The people who follow him have no concept of restraint.

surrealAmerican

(11,361 posts)
2. Given the likely continuation of the current environment ...
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 06:20 PM
Sep 2016

... she might not be able to govern effectively. I'd still prefer a government that can't achieve anything to one that could achieve all manner of harm.

It all depends on how the Senate and House look after this election.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
3. Rove & Bush poisoned the well. They deemed it was better to win by a sure 51% than an iffy 55%.
Sat Sep 17, 2016, 06:54 PM
Sep 2016

Thus they worked to polarize the electorate, helped by the media who put profits ahead of country and love the smell of a horse race.

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