Who are the Gary Johnson voters?

[kentuck]

I heard some talking head on TV, this morning, say that they may be mostly "millennials"? Does anyone really know for sure?

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[JI7]

1. white men

[Warpy]

3. He'll be the protest vote for people who hate Trump

but are so rigidly dogmatic that they'd never consider voting for any Democrat under any circumstances.

I know a few of those.

[Kathy M]

44. I know two also .

Going to send article about food safety ...... even though statements were retracted the thought it was out there is enough .

[kentuck]

4. Those white men need to be told that since they are not going to win...

...then maybe they should join us against crime and evil in America...?

[LeftyMom]

30. The two Johnson supporters I know IRL are a 25 y/o black man a 21 y/o white woman.

He was raised by upper middle class professionals, she was raised in poverty, if you want to consider class.

The deciding thing seems to be their military status: both have clearances and are genuinely horrified by Hillary's mishandling of classified information. They both swear they'd go to jail for a lot less.

Neither are conservative in any way except that he likes guns, and neither ever entertained voting for Trump. He voted for Obama in '12, she would have had she been a few months older.

Political coalitions are always weird and oversimplifiying them leads to stupid, unpersuasive arguments. If you make an anti-Johnson argument based on the perceived white maleness of his supporters you're not going to peel either one of them off, and they're both entirely persuadable anti-racist social liberals and could easily be persuaded to at least vote straight ticked Dem down ballot.

[vlyons]

2. Some millenials

Those that want recreational marijuana to be legal. Also Ayn Randers, who hate just about all forms of government and gov regulations and detest paying taxes for just about anything.

[kentuck]

5. Neo-Conservatives?

I read where a Republican said that Johnson was nothing but a "Republican with a bong"...

[vlyons]

8. Pretty much

But the libertarians party is closer to the Ayn Randers, who think any gov is immoral. Want to privatize everything that isn't nailed down.

[Warpy]

11. Yeah, that's what he is

Despite the insane platform of the Libertarian Party, he knows what he can get away with and what he can't get away with.

He's better than Trump, but just.

[Warren DeMontague]

26. Gary Johnson reminds me of the kindly uncle who is a bit batty and you don't let drive the van

Trump reminds me of the stepdad who abuses children.

[Warpy]

39. That's about right

Johnson didn't screw NM up in his 8 years as governor.

Trump would have been fatal.

[Warren DeMontague]

16. The thing is, a majority of americans "want recreational marijuana to be legal"

Some people on the east coast, particularly, still seem to think it is weird or a big joke, but if CA votes for prop 64 (looking pretty likely) then even if no other state passes recreational marijuana legalization this year, you will still have the entire west coast of the US legal for recreational use. That's 50 million Americans.

So maybe its time to for the beltway to stop treating this like some strange fringe issue that they are allergic to.

[Glassunion]

24. On a technicality, it's legal in the heart of the beltway.

[Warren DeMontague]

25. Yeah, sort of. But we all know DC can't be trusted to govern itself (sarcasm)

But that doesn't mean it's taken nearly seriously enough, east of the Rockies.

if MA passes recreational legalization, I'll eat my hat. I'd love to see it, but I just don't think the East Coast is ready. Just too damn uptight. In 10 years they'll all have done it, and then act like they invented it.

[Glassunion]

29. That's how we roll

When we legalize we will admonish the left coast for their hesitance. Why didn't you guys do it sooner? We did it and it awesome!

Except for Vermont. They pretty much keep to themselves. It's probably already legal, taxed, and been all good for about 30 years now, but they haven't told the rest of us.

[Warren DeMontague]

31. I had someone here tell me this year that Oregon has 3 people in it and they all live in a shack

I'm like, I wish, what with the traffic on the I-5.

[Glassunion]

32. To those of us on the right coast

Oregon is a mythical land full of elves, big foot, and episodes of Grimm. It's only real on the TeeVee.

IIRC Oregon had the highest volume of any other state of folks relocation to last year.

[Warren DeMontague]

34. tell me about it.

We need to remind everyone that the weather is terrible, and we have spiders the size of ATVs running around eating cats.

True story, I saw one of these fuckers in my house the other day. Apparently in fall they come out to look for "mates"

[Glassunion]

36. You should have no fear. You're thinking "mates" like someone to

Do the funky with. In actuality they are more like our brothers and sisters over in the UK. When you look for a "mate" you just want someone to go grab a few pints with at the pub.l

Ay Mate, wanna have a pint?

[Warren DeMontague]

37. So I'm supposed to drink cider and go to a footie match with that thing?

Aeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

[Glassunion]

38. Yup.

We don't pick our friends. Life does.

You're being superficial. I look at that photo and see a dude that just wants to hang and have a pint while rooting for Liverpool, because fuck Manchester.

[nil desperandum]

64. Funny

since Man U doesn't seem to know how to treat Schweinsteiger I'm with you on that....

Plus Liverpool is well, Liverpool aren't they?

Although I'll confess I am one of those heathens who loves the Bundesliga and the overpaid superstars at Bayern Munich....there's something about watching a team of international superstars play together at that high level week in and week out that's almost, magical.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

[Revanchist]

62. You mean Portlandia isn't an accurate representation of the state?

https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=TZt-pOc3moc

https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=0_HGqPGp9iY

[aidbo]

59. I used to get that too.

Growing up, I split my time between Oregon & Texas (split parents).

Had a teacher in Texas ask me if we had paved roads in Oregon yet. (this would've been around 1985).

[napi21]

6. I've read at least SOME on Gary's supporters are former Bernie supporters who

hate The Con, but still want outside the career politician.

[womanofthehills]

20. I do not know one Bernie Supporter who is for Gary - Jill Stein maybe - but never for Gary

He pulls mostly from Republicans. He ran as a Republican here in NM.

In my town, the Republicans who are more educated are going for Gary because they are too embarrassed to go with Trump. At least that's what they say. My take - Republicans who are not racists are going for Gary.

[kentuck]

21. I think he may be getting a lot of "Independent" support?

And a few Republicans. And a small minority of Democrats.

They seem to be half-way rational, especially the millenials, If they see that they have no chance of winning with Johnson, how many would leave Johnson for Trump or Hillary?

[jamese777]

7. Libertarian Gary Johnson Polls at 10 Percent. Who Are His Supporters?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/05/us/politics/gary-johnson-libertarian-third-party.html?_r=0
From the article: "More than 70 percent of his backers are younger than 50, and over three-fifths are political independents, according to a mid-August poll by the Pew Research Center.

Over all, Mr. Johnson, who will be on the ballot in all 50 states, has the backing of 10 percent of registered voters, the Pew poll found.

Mr. Johnson’s coalition is relatively diverse, particularly compared with that of Donald J. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee.

Thirteen percent of Mr. Johnson’s backers are black or Latino, compared with just 6 percent for Mr. Trump.

And while just 42 percent of Mr. Trump’s supporters are women, the Pew center found that Mr. Johnson’s are evenly divided — 51 percent women, 49 percent men."

[Dr Hobbitstein]

9. The handful I know are late Gen-X early Gen-Y, so right there in the millenial gap.

As a local musician, I hang out with lots of musicians. I've noticed most of the drum circle guys are Libertarian, and have been the loudest about Gary Johnson. The majority of them (the drum circle guys) are one issue voters (marijuana legalization).

The other couple guys I know who support GJ are the complete opposite (although one is a drummer, but of the jazz variety). Drown the government in the bathtub types.

All of them are under 40.

[world wide wally]

14. After numerous attempts at finding a stable drummer for our band, the rest of us came to the

conclusion that all drummers are crazy.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

49. Pretty much.

My last band had a 3 year run, during that time we had 8 different drummers. After the eighth left, the bassist and I called it quits.

My current band is an anomoly. Our drummer is the most stable person in the band, and easily the most normal. However, we're quite sure his latent insanity just hasn't surfaced yet.

[world wide wally]

53. Congratulations!

I hope it lasts.

[kentuck]

54. Good drummers are hard to find.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

58. Yeah.

My last bassist suggested just changing our ad to

"Looking for a drummer with no kit, no dynamics, and poor timing. No sense of humor a plus."

[etherealtruth]

10. Libertarian Gary Johnson Polls at 10 Percent. Who Are His Supporters?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/05/us/politics/gary-johnson-libertarian-third-party.html?_r=0

More than 70 percent of his backers are younger than 50, and over three-fifths are political independents, according to a mid-August poll by the Pew Research Center.

Over all, Mr. Johnson, who will be on the ballot in all 50 states, has the backing of 10 percent of registered voters, the Pew poll found.

Mr. Johnson’s coalition is relatively diverse, particularly compared with that of Donald J. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee.

Thirteen percent of Mr. Johnson’s backers are black or Latino, compared with just 6 percent for Mr. Trump.

And while just 42 percent of Mr. Trump’s supporters are women, the Pew center found that Mr. Johnson’s are evenly divided — 51 percent women, 49 percent men.

[vermont farmguy]

12. millennials are suspect?

These attacks on millennials as being pot smoking know nothings is funny. Most of the millennials I know are not at all engaged enough to know that Gary Johnson is running. I think HRC should work with the group of younger folks who have some skin in the game especially young Latinos and young blacks. Seems to me that when all is said and done, Gary Johnson, wacko Republican, will end up being an asterisk. I think we make coalitions with people working for change that is positive....

[etherealtruth]

13. Where in the article do you see that?

The article pretty much identifies the demographics without value judgment?

[Warren DeMontague]

15. Whoever they are, a relatively pain-free issue we could win a lot of them over with

Is marijuana legalization.

[world wide wally]

17. Suggest they read the Libertarian Party Platform

Now that's scary!

[MyNameIsKhan]

18. Real independents who have voted both side of ticket and Republicans

I know a friend of mine who voted Obama and Romeny, he plans to vote Johnson. But they are not large share of democratic vote.

[mr_liberal]

19. Socially liberal/fiscally conservative. A lot of people like that dont fit either party. nm

[Agschmid]

22. At least he has held a somewhat important government job...

Can't say that for Stein.

[NightWatcher]

23. The same people who have Fair Tax bumper stickers, you know, ignoramuses

They don't understand what Libertarians would do. They'd privatize what they didn't outright dissolve as "unnecessary regulations" on safety, environmental, and health related agencies.

They are meaner and more greedy than repukes.


To answer you, they are either mean, ignorant, or a combo of the two.

[Shrike47]

27. The one I know is a 60 year old grabber, who has been taking what she wants all her life.

Fittingly, she a creditor's attorney. Taking money from the poor and desperate? No problem! You disabled? Your problem, not hers.

[bmstee01]

28. Gary Johnson Millenials

Ones I've met so far. Male-White-Former Fraternity Bros

[Protalker]

33. He is Ralph Nader of 2016

He takes more from Hillary than Trump. He is a one trick pony legalize weed. What is Aleppo?

[JI7]

35. i have even less respect for them if they support him after the Aleppo thing

[Warren DeMontague]

41. Anyone who isn't voting for HRC this november is being deeply irresponsible, period.

That said, our national party should do what forward-thinking west coast leaders are doing and fully embrace marijuana legalization. It's the right thing to do AND it's politically advantageous.

[JI7]

42. yes, but i don't think that issue is why they are voting for gary johnson

i doubt those people are involved locally and statewide on this issue.

i think most voting libertarian are the types to complain about political correctness but they are turned off by the republicans being too religious .

but this year there are likely a good number of republicans who are voting for him because they can't vote for trump. jeb bush is an example.

[Warren DeMontague]

43. If those people exist, they need to get off the internet and check out reality occasionally.

This isn't about whether someone agrees with Anita Sarkeesian's views on video games or whether or not a scientist's shirt or a dongle joke constitutes a microaggression. The people who spend all their energy or focus their blogs/careers around such things have very little impact on actual policy or legislative reality.

The sturm und drang around those sorts of things... well, they're kind of like when DU argues about cornflake chicken or the olive garden. It can seem very important to the people who experience profound opinions around those matters, at the time, but when everyone wakes up the next morning shit is still exactly the same out here in objective reality.

No, the ball game is things like the Supreme Court.

If actual Republicans (like Jebby) want to vote for GJ, that's fucking awesome. I'm not going to hold my breath for them to vote for Hillary, so if they stay home or go 3rd party that's splendid.

[Protalker]

46. I am not anti legalization

Bill Maher a proponent said this election is too important to let this be a salient issue. The real choice is Clinton or Trump.

[Warren DeMontague]

47. Im not sure who you're talking to, because I'm already voting for Hillary.

But my point isnt what voters should do, it's what our party should do. Legalization is going to be bringing millennials to the polls in a number of states, and not just safe ones like California.

It's supported by a majority of Americans, in addition to being the right thing to do, so dragging our feet at the national level is counterproductive, and more about what passes for conventional beltway wisdom than anything else.

Also, qualifying a post with "I'm not anti-legalization but" is like me qualifying qualifying it "I'm not voting for Trump, but"

Of course you dont support the decades-long policy of filling prisons with pot smokers- almost no one does, at this point. So it's time for our party to lead on the issue.

[Protalker]

50. happily I've given this a lot of thought

Personally I'm in recovery from drugs and alcohol. I work with felons convicted of using heroin and methamphetamine. I've given a lot of thought 2 prison reform. The reason I put it Bill Maher is because he is a well known advocate for legalization of marijuana. He said on his show that this is not the election to be pushing for this. Trump needs to be defeated.

[Warren DeMontague]

57. I think it would be a net gain, actually, in terms of voters. I think Maher's analysis is wrong.

And it's already in the platform, so if the "lawn order" types wanted to get all hyperbolic about "Democrats are legalizing the demon weed", they could point to the plank in the platform where we call for a "reasoned pathway to legalization". They're not doing that, because, among other things they would like to maintain some slimmer of hope of remaining competitive in Colorado.

But, then, if I was in charge of political tactics, we'd do a lot of things differently, like pointing out the (hypocritical, given the # of times Trump appeared in playboy) GOP's commitment to censor internet porn in their own platform, along with their perennial HLA plank which would outlaw most forms of contraception. Those positions are wildly out of sync with the VAST majority of Americans, but we don't bring them up, apparently because the conventional wisdom Brock types seem perpetually afraid of alienating "values voters" and "megachurch moms", or some shit like that. It's inane.

Anyway, I wish you well in your recovery ... I haven't drank for close to two decades, myself. And I'm hardly some advocate for everyone getting fucked up all the time- however, I am a strong proponent of personal freedom and choice, and it is precisely because I do have a lot of experience around assorted substances (As well as people with problems around them) that I firmly believe marijuana, in particular, should be legal, regulated, and taxed, as it is clearly on the more objectively benign side of the psychoactive entheogen spectrum.

And we need to treat addiction- all of it- as a public health issue, not a law enforcement one.

[Protalker]

60. Thanks for your thoughts

[Warren DeMontague]

40. well gee whiz, I wonder how we could possibly take that 'one trick' out of his hat.

Hmmm, I mean, we couldn't possibly adopt a political position that is supported by a majority of Americans anyway, now, could we?

[bhikkhu]

45. My cousin and spouse are big supporters

well meaning and intelligent in the bay area, both well-employed and making in the high six figures, with the big household, travel and perks that come with that. Being libertarian costs them nothing, and they don't have to think about it too much.

The luxury of not having to worry about the consequences or practicality of your positions, as they are entirely in the minority and you're own status is pretty secure regardless.

[HughBeaumont]

48. Two kinds:

1. People who don't read an entire platform (which contains dumbass economic ideas and social safety net torching)

or

2. Scarier yet, people who HAVE and either find nothing wrong with it or think he doesn't go far enough.

[Calculating]

51. I have no idea why Hillary doesn't just endorse cannabis legalization

What voters would it lose? The old family values types who are voting R anyway? The majority of the country supports this issue. Time for Hillary to get off the fence and take a side. Her refusal to do so just makes people think she's bought off by anti-cannabis lobbying groups and drives potential voters to the Johnson.

[Odin2005]

52. Most Johnson supporters I know are educated middle class conservatives.

Mostly Gen-X and Millennials, the conservative Boomers tend to support Trump.

[JustAnotherGen]

55. All the ones I know are

41 to 54.

All Republicans who are disgusted with Trump.

FB alone - that's the 8 I know.

[eniwetok]

56. Yes, Hillary has been hemorrhaging support from Millennials

In 3 weeks Hillary's lost 17% of the 18-34 age group and Johnson has gained 13%. And they are not going to Stein.

4. If the election for President were being held today, and the candidates were Hillary Clinton the Democrat, Donald Trump the Republican, Gary Johnson the Libertarian, and Jill Stein the Green party candidate, for whom would you vote? (If undecided) As of
today, do you lean more toward Clinton, Trump, Johnson, or Stein?

AGE IN YEARS 18-34
Clinton 31%
Trump 26%
Johnson 29%
Stein 4%

SOURCE: https://www.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us09142016_U27xtpb.pdf

3 Weeks ago

6. If the election for President were being held today, and the candidates were Hillary Clinton the Democrat, Donald Trump the Republican, Gary Johnson the Libertarian, and Jill Stein the Green party candidate, for whom would you vote?

Clinton 48%
Trump 24%
Johnson 16%
Stein 11%

https://www.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us08252016_U88mxwn.pdf

[otohara]

63. I Thought Citizens United Was A No No

on both sides of the isle.

Johnson agrees corporations are people.

[Skittles]

61. misogynists

[MADem]

65. IDIOTS. What idiot would waste their vote on this putz?

What IS Aleppo?