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Please ask Gov. Brown to sign the "diaper bill" for poor families. (Original Post) silverweb Sep 2016 OP
Wouldn't cloth diapers be better for the environment? JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #1
Not sure because of water and soap usage plus electricity yeoman6987 Sep 2016 #2
Water is a renewable resource. JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #3
In California, water is like gold. yeoman6987 Sep 2016 #4
I'm sure there's water and electricity used to manufacture disposables. JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #6
I loved the smell of clothes outside yeoman6987 Sep 2016 #8
As a kid the whole neighborhood did it. JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #11
How is it you're managing to communicate with us on DU? kcr Sep 2016 #28
Solar off grid.. JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #29
HOAs are not allowed to forbid line drying in CA LeftyMom Sep 2016 #42
Nice but Florida they can. yeoman6987 Sep 2016 #43
I figured out where all the water is. JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #47
The landfill is a problem for sure yeoman6987 Sep 2016 #5
I'm sure they're being studied. JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #7
Me too!!! yeoman6987 Sep 2016 #9
I believe this includes all types of diapers. silverweb Sep 2016 #12
I hope we move in the right environmental direction. JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #14
"Hybrids" are the way to go for home. silverweb Sep 2016 #17
Sounds like a nice compromise. JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #20
Yes, it does. silverweb Sep 2016 #33
Best wishes to your daughter. JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #39
Thanks! silverweb Sep 2016 #41
I'll buy stock in that biodegradable disposable diaper wordpix Sep 2016 #23
Right? silverweb Sep 2016 #34
That's cool. JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #40
People don't usually stick with those systems long term. LeftyMom Sep 2016 #44
I'm sure they'll improve over time. silverweb Sep 2016 #46
I'm with you 100%. I used cloth for my son wordpix Sep 2016 #21
Probably. Iggo Sep 2016 #22
Many day cares do not accept cloth. xmas74 Sep 2016 #25
For parents who can afford it, sure. kcr Sep 2016 #27
poor people shouldn't be required to solve the environmental problem of diapers for... CreekDog Sep 2016 #48
The issue was cloth or disposible. JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #49
This should have happened LONG ago in every state! CTyankee Sep 2016 #10
Agreed. silverweb Sep 2016 #13
Yes, I can't help wondering if HRC's presidency would stimulate more girls to get into politics. CTyankee Sep 2016 #15
The right kind of women certainly would help. silverweb Sep 2016 #19
The other day I left an Aldi's........ mrmpa Sep 2016 #16
How sad - and how common a situation. silverweb Sep 2016 #18
What about clothing? philosslayer Sep 2016 #24
We found quite a few safe thrift items that helped our budget. JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #30
Gotta start somewhere. silverweb Sep 2016 #38
it's not as difficult to get clothing for free or low cost since can be reused JI7 Sep 2016 #45
To be clear, that's Gov. Jerry Brown of California. KamaAina Sep 2016 #26
Thanks, I forgot about that. silverweb Sep 2016 #37
Republican men think you should boil them on top of the stove Warpy Sep 2016 #31
... silverweb Sep 2016 #36
Does it look like he might veto it? democrattotheend Sep 2016 #32
I don't know. silverweb Sep 2016 #35

JonathanRackham

(1,604 posts)
1. Wouldn't cloth diapers be better for the environment?
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 03:24 PM
Sep 2016

As a kid I washed them for my younger brothers and sisters. As a parent I washed them for my kids.

I see people leaving disposable dispers around the parking lots around Walmart often. They can't be good in land fills either.

JonathanRackham

(1,604 posts)
3. Water is a renewable resource.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 03:29 PM
Sep 2016

Soaps have evolved to be biodegradable.

I see it as the opportunity to store less things in landfills.

JonathanRackham

(1,604 posts)
6. I'm sure there's water and electricity used to manufacture disposables.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 03:37 PM
Sep 2016

Modern washers are much more water and energy efficient. As a kid I'd hang the diapers out to solar dry.

JonathanRackham

(1,604 posts)
11. As a kid the whole neighborhood did it.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 03:56 PM
Sep 2016

People afforded washers but no driers. Now I suppose people's iPhones have apps to monitor the laundry.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
12. I believe this includes all types of diapers.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 04:13 PM
Sep 2016

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I know cloth and "hybrid" diapers were included in an earlier version of the bill, but I'm not sure about the final version that was passed. Cloth diapers are a fairly large initial investment and create a LOT of laundry to be done, which may not be practical for many situations. Also, daycare centers require that disposable diapers be brought in by the parent and have no accommodation for cloth diapers.

JonathanRackham

(1,604 posts)
14. I hope we move in the right environmental direction.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 04:17 PM
Sep 2016

For years after my siblings were grown we had a good supply of high quality cleaning rags.

I hear ya on the daycare thing. It certainly would be problematic with a large quantity of children.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
17. "Hybrids" are the way to go for home.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 04:25 PM
Sep 2016

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]They include a cloth diaper with a waterproof outer coating and snaps built in, as well as a disposable "stay-dry" liner that mimics the best features of disposable diapers. The initial outlay is steep, but the price plummets after that, since only the liners need to be replaced.

When away from home and for daycare situations, disposables are still going to dominate. I read some time ago that there's work being done to develop a fully biodegradable disposable diaper, but haven't seen an update lately on that. I'll have to research that further as my opportunity to become a new grandmother gets closer.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
33. Yes, it does.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 07:22 PM
Sep 2016

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]My daughter says she's going that route when the time comes.

The wedding's next year, so there's probably close to 2 years for the developers to come out with any improvements before she'll be buying them.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
23. I'll buy stock in that biodegradable disposable diaper
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 05:06 PM
Sep 2016

We can send spaceships to Jupiter and Saturn, but can't figure out biodegradable products to replace plastics. Absurd.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
34. Right?
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 07:29 PM
Sep 2016

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]What makes me mad is that we have figured out products to replace plastics.

Biodegradable plastics can already be made from grain, hemp, bamboo, and any number of other plant-derived sources.

It's already happening, but undoubtedly meeting quietly fierce resistance from - guess who? - the petrochemical industry.

I can't wait to see this new product hit the world market and expand!

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
44. People don't usually stick with those systems long term.
Sat Sep 10, 2016, 12:16 AM
Sep 2016

They're really bad for infants because their runny poops get on the shell almost every change.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
21. I'm with you 100%. I used cloth for my son
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 05:03 PM
Sep 2016

at one point, living on a farm I found a small electric washer I could put on a table. I wrung and hung the diapers myself.

Then we moved to a city and I found a diaper service, which worked great. It was much less expensive than those damn disposables.

kcr

(15,318 posts)
27. For parents who can afford it, sure.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 05:54 PM
Sep 2016

But not everyone can afford to stay at home or day care options that allow for cloth diapers.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
10. This should have happened LONG ago in every state!
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 03:46 PM
Sep 2016

If more women were in state and federal offices, his would have been a done deal and old news by now!

Damnit!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
15. Yes, I can't help wondering if HRC's presidency would stimulate more girls to get into politics.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 04:20 PM
Sep 2016

Already in my lifetime women have made huge leaps forward. My granddaughters (and grandsons, I might add) could benefit significantly from the presence and authority of a woman in our country's highest office...

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
19. The right kind of women certainly would help.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 04:38 PM
Sep 2016

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]However, we do not need more judgmental, authoritarian women like Palin, Bachmann, Schafly, Thatcher, and others having influence.

Just being a woman is not necessarily enough. We need progressive women in office and in other positions of influence. I believe Hillary will be a power for good when it comes to many women's issues (although she's not progressive enough on other issues for me), so there's certainly hope there.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
16. The other day I left an Aldi's........
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 04:24 PM
Sep 2016

a man walked up to me and asked if I was driving by another store. I was & drove him & waited for him. He had a bag of change he was putting into a machine to be sorted. When he came out he asked if I had $3, I didn't I had only my food stamp card. The reason he needed $3, was even because he had a $5 coupon, he was still short & he needed to buy diapers for his daughter.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
18. How sad - and how common a situation.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 04:30 PM
Sep 2016

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Almost 30 years ago, I was also that poor. I remember waiting for the mailman to bring the check I depended on, even walking blocks to intercept him early in his route, because I was out of diapers and had no money until that check came. It's a state of anxiety I wouldn't wish on anyone.

This bill must be signed by Governor Brown.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
24. What about clothing?
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 05:17 PM
Sep 2016

And other supplies like cribs, strollers and car seats? This is a good proposal but doesn't go far enough.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
38. Gotta start somewhere.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 07:35 PM
Sep 2016

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]The reason this passed the legislature easily is that it's not just an economic issue, but a health issue. Other shortcuts can be taken for baby clothes and accessories, but diapers are a universal hygienic necessity.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
37. Thanks, I forgot about that.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 07:33 PM
Sep 2016

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Maybe Gov. Kate Brown will get petitioned to do something along the same lines for Oregon!

Warpy

(111,327 posts)
31. Republican men think you should boil them on top of the stove
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 06:11 PM
Sep 2016

the way women did in the 1950s, their idea of the US Golden Age.

No comment on men trying to eat their dinners in a kitchen that reeked of boiled baby shit.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
35. I don't know.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 07:31 PM
Sep 2016

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]It certainly doesn't hurt to have a show of public support, though.

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