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Archae

(46,359 posts)
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:30 PM Jun 2012

Now I'm supposed to boycott WHAT??!!??

I swear, if I went along with all the stupid boycotts I keep reading about, I'd have to go shopping with a 50-page list of "forbidden" items.

Latest? Johnsonville sausages.
I love 'em!
Like hell I'm going to "boycott" them.

And you know what? These spurious "boycotts" never hurt any of these companies, they only hurt the workers.

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Now I'm supposed to boycott WHAT??!!?? (Original Post) Archae Jun 2012 OP
You had me until "spurious". bluedigger Jun 2012 #1
Like hell I'm gonna stop wiping my ass with Koch products, they rock. WingDinger Jun 2012 #2
That's just it...is my toilet paper Koch owned? Archae Jun 2012 #4
No, Scott is owned by different corporate dickwads. Warpy Jun 2012 #5
Same here - and Scott's 1000 sheet rolls are septic tank safe. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #36
Get one of these beauties, and that roll will last longer, still! MADem Jun 2012 #15
Scott wiped out union labor.... YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #50
WEll, if you live in Wisconsin Lifelong Protester Jun 2012 #3
Lifelong is right. No Johnsonville in this house for quite a while. Greybnk48 Jun 2012 #30
Yeah, I hope Walmart never ends up owning everything. Incitatus Jun 2012 #6
So what would you consider to be more important than Johnsonville sausages? Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #7
These were specific boycotts. Archae Jun 2012 #8
As were the UFW boycotts. And if you stopped eating sausages altogether in support of Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #11
factory farming IS cruel to animals. veganlush Jun 2012 #18
OMG, I remember the grape boycott. No way I was going to touch them for years. I'm still skittish freshwest Jun 2012 #19
You/they did make the difference. I was a kid so it was my parents that actually boycotted them. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #20
Buy local and buy from Indy stores Homer12 Jun 2012 #9
But my local IGA only carries Johnsonville... n/t BiggJawn Jun 2012 #10
There are many brands in our local grocery stores. Archae Jun 2012 #13
Do you have a Trader Joe's anywhere near you? They have good stuff. nt MADem Jun 2012 #16
Are you a TJ's fan? lame54 Jun 2012 #27
As Dick Cheney would say.....Big time! MADem Jun 2012 #43
Then you should watch this... lame54 Jun 2012 #45
I was just going to suggest TJ's obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #32
Watch this... lame54 Jun 2012 #46
Trader Joes. I WISH! BiggJawn Jun 2012 #40
Keep a cooler or a bigass freezer bag in your car/truck! MADem Jun 2012 #44
Watch this... lame54 Jun 2012 #47
there is a custard stand in cedarburg that skews very strong republican dembotoz Jun 2012 #12
Culvers? Archae Jun 2012 #14
no hefners--but i agree culvers is too expensive dembotoz Jun 2012 #35
I'm aware of the stand you mentioned Worried senior Jun 2012 #48
I don't know, pretty much everything Fla_Democrat Jun 2012 #17
Wait a minute. There's something called a "Johnsonville Sausage"? Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #21
I know, I've heard the joke for decades. Archae Jun 2012 #23
Let your conscience be your guide Raine Jun 2012 #22
This is an easy one...Johnsonville sausages suck anyway. CanonRay Jun 2012 #24
Agree, they are for people that don't know what good brats are. Ikonoklast Jun 2012 #28
I can hardly tell their brats from their Italian Sausage CanonRay Jun 2012 #29
Commercial sausage makers want to appeal to the broadest taste spectrum Ikonoklast Jun 2012 #31
Johnsonville sucks GarroHorus Jun 2012 #25
A boycott is a form of voting that actually counts and can make a difference KatChatter Jun 2012 #26
I think grape pickers would disagree that boycotts hurt the workers obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #33
Spending your money in other places doesn't hurt workers at all Taitertots Jun 2012 #34
I hope you don't mind if I respond to your post this way obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #39
Like hell I'm gonna stop profiting from causing climate change. raouldukelives Jun 2012 #37
A brief search led to a list of where you can buy locally made sausage in Wisconsin suffragette Jun 2012 #38
I can easily boycott Johnsonville sausages because I am a vegetarian. RebelOne Jun 2012 #41
Voting with your wallet is the most influential vote you have bhikkhu Jun 2012 #42
Just boycott what you're told to boycott dammit. And like it. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #49

Archae

(46,359 posts)
4. That's just it...is my toilet paper Koch owned?
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:42 PM
Jun 2012

I use those big Scott rolls.

They're about a buck each, and they last and last.

How do we know?

How *CAN* we know?

ABC news just had today a segment on "pure" groceries like lemon juice, that's 90% water.

Warpy

(111,388 posts)
5. No, Scott is owned by different corporate dickwads.
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:51 PM
Jun 2012

I use it too. It means I don't have to shop for it that often.

Besides, that soft, squishy stuff clogs a low flow desert toilet.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
15. Get one of these beauties, and that roll will last longer, still!
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 12:52 AM
Jun 2012

You turn the handle and knock the...errr...detrius off, and you'll only need a few squares to pat that business dry!



http://www.amazon.com/Luxe-MB110-Non-Electric-Mechanical-Attachment/dp/B001KKRCFA

YellowRubberDuckie

(19,736 posts)
50. Scott wiped out union labor....
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 03:01 PM
Jun 2012

...My husband will not allow us to buy any of their products. And I can't blame him. He's like my dad when it comes to union labor. If you purposely bring someone in to wipe out labor like Scott and Tyson have, you can forget getting a penny from my family.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
3. WEll, if you live in Wisconsin
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:38 PM
Jun 2012

Johnsonville has been on the boycott list since Feb, 2011. So, to each his (or her ) own. buy 'em and support Scott Walker. Totally your choice.

Greybnk48

(10,178 posts)
30. Lifelong is right. No Johnsonville in this house for quite a while.
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 09:31 AM
Jun 2012

It seems longer than a year and a half, but that's probably right. And no Koch products, which isn't easy BTW.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
6. Yeah, I hope Walmart never ends up owning everything.
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:57 PM
Jun 2012

I do make an effort to buy from the bad ones as little as possible.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
7. So what would you consider to be more important than Johnsonville sausages?
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:58 PM
Jun 2012

Or perhaps the better question how is your life diminished by not eating them?

And if consuming Johnsonville sausages is more important than supporting the people that are hurt by them, how can anyone count on your support for anything? Just how deep is your commitment to making America better when something this small is too much?

Do you know for how many years people didn't eat grapes before Dolores Huerta and Cesar Chavez eventually won? Were those people just stupid for denying themselves the yummy goodness of all those grapes just so "some Mexicans" could be paid the minimum wage and not have to worry quite so much about dieing for California's Ag Giants, especially because "These spurious "boycotts" never hurt any of these companies"?

Archae

(46,359 posts)
8. These were specific boycotts.
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 12:03 AM
Jun 2012

It seems that just about every week something new appears on the boycott lists.

Ok, so I stop buying Johnsonville, and buy...Usingers instead.

Some group decides Usingers is cruel to animals, so now THEY are to be boycotted.
Lather, rinse, repeat.

It's outrage fatigue.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
11. As were the UFW boycotts. And if you stopped eating sausages altogether in support of
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 12:12 AM
Jun 2012

several groups, and then you are asked to not buy $tarbucks, and this is followed Krispy Kreme and Hillshire Farms, would your life be diminished so much that you'd rather see the problems remain?

What if you were asked to stop buying everything Kraft Foods makes? Is that too much to ask to help other people make things a little better?

veganlush

(2,049 posts)
18. factory farming IS cruel to animals.
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 01:17 AM
Jun 2012

what;s so hard to understand about that? Buying factory farmed protects supports animal cruelty. It's not a matter of opinion, it's simple fact. There are so many foods we can eat without promoting torture. Subjecting an animal to that just because people can't control their cravings-it's so wrong. It doesn't have to be like this. boycott cruelty

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
19. OMG, I remember the grape boycott. No way I was going to touch them for years. I'm still skittish
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 01:41 AM
Jun 2012

About buying them, an illogical reaction to my disgust at the abuse in the fields.

And my anger that Nixon shipped them and iceberg lettuce to the troops to try to break the union.

Now I don't even know the UFW is doing much anymore, but I think we did make an impact. Or felt we did. IDK.

I didn't know about the Johnsonville issue. How long has it been going on?

But I can't say I'm doing the right thing, as I don't eat it anyway. it'd be like a person who didn't smoke saying, 'I'm going to give up smoking for Lent.' No sacrifice for me.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
20. You/they did make the difference. I was a kid so it was my parents that actually boycotted them.
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 02:08 AM
Jun 2012

It took years and years but we did win, and that's what irks the hell out of me about this. People can't seem to sustain a commitment for week or even a day, and worse don't really care anyway. The grape (and I swear it expanded to lettuce as well) boycott worked because people were committed to making it work and would not give up.

The Stayers, brother & sister owners of Johnsonville, are big Walker supporters and have donated large sums of money that their workers made for them to his campaign and to work against those same workers. I don't eat much meat and never commercial sausages just because I have literally seen sausage being made and the good stuff is disgusting enough. So like you, my support is more spiritual than practical.

But I will and do support every/any boycott for labor because it is the right thing to do and it's not like I really need it anyway. I just don't understand how people that claim to care can be so callous. It's such a small thing. Remember the "Not one damn dime" boycott? Couldn't even get one day out of Americans. The cynical part of me says we deserve every bit of what we're going to get.

Archae

(46,359 posts)
13. There are many brands in our local grocery stores.
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 12:19 AM
Jun 2012

But a lot of them are awful!
Either over-spiced, or stuffed with fillers.

Or they are WAYYYYY too expensive.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
43. As Dick Cheney would say.....Big time!
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 02:32 PM
Jun 2012

I like their stuff--they have a soy chorizo that's really tasty that is a particular favorite.

obamanut2012

(26,161 posts)
32. I was just going to suggest TJ's
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 09:49 AM
Jun 2012

Their meat sausages are fantastic, and cheap (even though I don't eat them any more).

BiggJawn

(23,051 posts)
40. Trader Joes. I WISH!
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 12:37 PM
Jun 2012

The nearest TJ is 75 miles away. But if I was near there, I wouldn't go there for bratwurst, I'd go to the near south-side to Claus'. Same family since 1913. How's THAT for local?

Unfortunately, they're 75 miles away.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
44. Keep a cooler or a bigass freezer bag in your car/truck!
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 02:34 PM
Jun 2012

That way, if you're ever near the place, you can slide in there and do some impulse shopping!

dembotoz

(16,864 posts)
12. there is a custard stand in cedarburg that skews very strong republican
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 12:13 AM
Jun 2012

i mention it because it is not that far from you

i used to take my family there often

now i haven't for a number of years

shop at your friends

will it hurt the stand that i don't go there
will it hurt walmart that i choose not to go there

perhaps, perhaps not
but i sleep better

Archae

(46,359 posts)
14. Culvers?
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 12:20 AM
Jun 2012

I never go to Culvers, too expensive.

Across the street from me is a good frozen custard place, locally owned called "Randalls."

dembotoz

(16,864 posts)
35. no hefners--but i agree culvers is too expensive
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 10:18 AM
Jun 2012

i knew the owner of the grafton culvers and he seems to be an ok guy
i used to take my family to culvers alot
they used to take checks

stopped taking checks--pretty much stopped going
been to culvers a couple times past year or so--sticker shock
don't want to pay applebees prices for a fancy mc donalds.....

Worried senior

(1,328 posts)
48. I'm aware of the stand you mentioned
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 02:58 PM
Jun 2012

I also try to go to stores or businesses that care more about their employees or the people they are serving.

Fla_Democrat

(2,547 posts)
17. I don't know, pretty much everything
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 01:10 AM
Jun 2012

at one point or another. Just play it safe, and don't buy anything.

I use it all the time.. come back from a store....

"You forgot to buy ____________________."
"Oh, didn't you know? we're boycotting _________________... we will just have to make do with out it."











Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
21. Wait a minute. There's something called a "Johnsonville Sausage"?
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 02:11 AM
Jun 2012




...


I'm sorry, I just think that's funny.

Archae

(46,359 posts)
23. I know, I've heard the joke for decades.
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 03:35 AM
Jun 2012

Here in Sheboygan county, there's a town called Johnsonville.

A sausage plant was built there, and it took off from there.

The thing I never hear from boycott advocates, what about the workers?

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
28. Agree, they are for people that don't know what good brats are.
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 09:00 AM
Jun 2012

Make your own sausage, it really is not that difficult, it tastes waaaay better, and can be done rather cheaply.

Knocking out 25lbs. of Brats or Kielbasi takes very little time.

I make a dozen or so different styles of sausage, and my family and friends keep pestering me to increase my output to satisfy demand.

CanonRay

(14,121 posts)
29. I can hardly tell their brats from their Italian Sausage
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 09:19 AM
Jun 2012

they taste about the same...lousy. I'd rather do without.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
31. Commercial sausage makers want to appeal to the broadest taste spectrum
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 09:43 AM
Jun 2012

in order to sell the most product so they produce, for the most part, under-seasoned and bland tasting sausages.

 

KatChatter

(194 posts)
26. A boycott is a form of voting that actually counts and can make a difference
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 08:53 AM
Jun 2012

We as individuals have the choice as to where and on what we spend our money on and most people spend money every day.

Money and power is all that motivates the 1%.

Take away one or both and you hurt the 1%.

It is your money so choose wisely and make a difference.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
34. Spending your money in other places doesn't hurt workers at all
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 10:15 AM
Jun 2012

Do you really think that the money you don't spend of sausages vanishes from the economy?

If you were really worried about hurting workers, you would boycott companies when they are actively funding anti-worker ideologues.

It is clear where you stand on this issue. You care more about sausage than you care about the people of Wisconsin.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
38. A brief search led to a list of where you can buy locally made sausage in Wisconsin
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:01 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.facebook.com/notes/boycott-scott-walker-contributors/wisconsin-is-sausage-heaven/165792426835115


Looks like people added more options in comments. I'm sure there are more lists out there.

Local butcher shops can also be a good option. Even in Seattle, there are well-priced and much better tasting sausages made at some of the local shops. I'd think you'd have as many or more options there.

And that helps the local workers in your area much more directly since it's less likely there's a CEO paying himself higher wages and donating part of that to right wingers like Walker, who attack workers' pay and rights.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
41. I can easily boycott Johnsonville sausages because I am a vegetarian.
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 01:26 PM
Jun 2012

I boycott all meat products no matter who the manufacturer is.

bhikkhu

(10,725 posts)
42. Voting with your wallet is the most influential vote you have
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 01:43 PM
Jun 2012

Corporations only have power because they have money, and they only have money because people give it to them. The whole system really works so that they don't give a crap about what anybody does or says as long as the money keeps coming in - but nothing speaks as loudly or as quickly as a downturn in profits - that's just the nature of the game.

As far as hurting workers, you are already hurting every worker who's products you don't buy - its just a matter of which ones you support and whether you think you can be a part of creating change. If a corporation behaves like bigoted assholes at the top, that may well be the corporate culture they enforce and encourage all the way down. No change is likely anywhere as long as everyone keeps "voting" for that shit, so to speak.

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