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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 01:19 PM Sep 2016

Troll Slayer: A Cambridge classicist takes on her sexist detractors.



In February, Mary Beard, a classics professor at the University of Cambridge, gave a lecture at the British Museum titled “Oh Do Shut Up Dear!” With amiable indignation, she explored the many ways that men have silenced outspoken women since the days of the ancients. Her speech, which was filmed by the BBC, was learned but accessible—a tone that she has regularly displayed on British television, as the host of popular documentaries about Pompeii and Rome. She began her talk with the Odyssey, and what she referred to as the first recorded instance of a man telling a woman that “her voice is not to be heard in public”: Telemachus informing his mother, Penelope, that “speech will be the business of men” and sending her upstairs to her weaving. Beard progressed to Ovid’s Metamorphoses, in which Tereus rapes Philomela and then cuts out her tongue so that she cannot denounce him. Beard alighted on Queen Elizabeth and Sojourner Truth before arriving at Jacqui Oatley, a BBC soccer commentator repeatedly mocked by men who were convinced that a woman couldn’t possibly understand the sport. A columnist for The Spectator, Beard noted, currently runs an annual competition to name the “most stupid woman” to appear on the current-affairs show “Question Time.”

Finally, Beard arrived at the contemporary chorus of Twitter trolls and online commenters. “The more I’ve looked at the details of the threats and the insults that women are on the receiving end of, the more some of them seem to fit into the old patterns of prejudice and assumption that I have been talking about,” she said. “It doesn’t much matter what line of argument you take as a woman. If you venture into traditional male territory, the abuse comes anyway. It’s not what you say that prompts it—it’s the fact that you are saying it.” Such online interjections—“ ‘Shut up you bitch’ is a fairly common refrain”—often contain threats of violence, a “predictable menu of rape, bombing, murder, and so forth.” She mildly reported one tweet that had been directed at her: “I’m going to cut off your head and rape it.”



http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/01/troll-slayer
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Troll Slayer: A Cambridge classicist takes on her sexist detractors. (Original Post) ehrnst Sep 2016 OP
K&R saidsimplesimon Sep 2016 #1
k and r--a professor friend just introduced me to her works several weeks ago. love her!! niyad Sep 2016 #2
when I first saw her book "spqr", I thought she was the historian mary ritter beard, but, apparently niyad Sep 2016 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Warpy Sep 2016 #4
Mary Beard is a treasure. Warpy Sep 2016 #5
Ooooo! Thanks! BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2016 #9
You are definitely going to love her take on ancient Rome Warpy Sep 2016 #11
Oh cool! BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2016 #14
I reread a lot of the literature not too long ago Warpy Sep 2016 #15
I've gotta do something about my internet addiction BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2016 #16
I hope you enjoy Imperium ProfessorPlum Sep 2016 #21
Three Cheers for Julian Fellows! Downton Abbey marathon a feminist tribute. SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2016 #6
Hear! Hear! nolabear Sep 2016 #7
Oh, I love this!! BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2016 #8
K&R smirkymonkey Sep 2016 #10
K&R Solly Mack Sep 2016 #12
KnR Hekate Sep 2016 #13
I'm pretty sure genetic engineering will be able to cure the male problem soon Cicada Sep 2016 #17
I deal with this every day.. HipChick Sep 2016 #18
Read it all & loved it & the taco truck gif UTUSN Sep 2016 #19
Thanks! ehrnst Sep 2016 #20

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
1. K&R
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 01:28 PM
Sep 2016

I do not do twitter or facebook. Social media is so negative, a waste of precious time, imo.

It is a pleasure to read articles like these from The New Yorker. It is a call to action.

niyad

(113,490 posts)
3. when I first saw her book "spqr", I thought she was the historian mary ritter beard, but, apparently
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 01:34 PM
Sep 2016

they are not related.

Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Warpy

(111,305 posts)
5. Mary Beard is a treasure.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 01:51 PM
Sep 2016


If you haven't seen her videos on ancient Rome, pop over to You Tube and do so. They're much more interesting than "reality" TV.

Warpy

(111,305 posts)
11. You are definitely going to love her take on ancient Rome
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 05:12 PM
Sep 2016

Instead of the dry facts of conquests, dates, and names of Emperors, she brings the dailiness of it to life, pointing out what "SPQR" was on and why it was there as well as things like the diet of all economic classes and social mobility that was commonplace.

Her take on Caligula is especially entertaining, not to mention meticulously researched. I also highly recommend the lecture on the misidentification of the emperors in sculpture and why so much of it has taken place.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
14. Oh cool!
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:24 PM
Sep 2016

I have a pile of books I jump around reading (well, the Internet addiction's really reduced my reading. erk.)

But one of them is Imperium. Forgot the author's name. But it's a historical novel about Cicero, told in the voice of his slave and scribe.

Warpy

(111,305 posts)
15. I reread a lot of the literature not too long ago
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 09:54 PM
Sep 2016

and was surprised by how much I'd forgotten, like the "little fishes" Tiberius fancied in Suetonius.

While I'm sure of it was gossip by the have-nots against the stole-everythings, it's all fascinating. It's not my favorite period, but it's one I never tire of reading about.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
16. I've gotta do something about my internet addiction
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 11:00 PM
Sep 2016

Darn!
So much I wanna read! Or listen to audio...

I DID read A World Lit Only By Fire, quite awhile ago. About the Middle Ages. Loved that book--I should read it again. You might like it!

ProfessorPlum

(11,264 posts)
21. I hope you enjoy Imperium
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 10:53 AM
Sep 2016

I've really liked Robert Harris's books on Cicero, even though I think Cicero was a shit.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,128 posts)
6. Three Cheers for Julian Fellows! Downton Abbey marathon a feminist tribute.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 02:08 PM
Sep 2016

I hadn't noticed over the course of its run how clearly he made the women the most intelligent and hard working. And what dolts so many of the men with power were.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
17. I'm pretty sure genetic engineering will be able to cure the male problem soon
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:34 AM
Sep 2016

Once women figure out how to reproduce without us we're toast. In our defense I will point out that millions of years of evolution made us this way but I understand that women will just think we're not worth the bother of keeping us around.

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