This Heart Wrenching Quintuple Massacre in Alabama?

[busterbrown]

Will never be labeled as a Terrorist Act.. Am I correct..

Please Tell me why?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/21/tracks-down-his-girlfriend-slaughters-those-sheltering-her.html

[malaise]

1. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm terrorist act?

We'll be lucky if it makes national networks or cable.

[Calculating]

2. Is it a terrorist act though?

Seems more like a textbook domestic abuse case.

[Lint Head]

56. Terror is terror. It's a word hijacked to define Al Queda and ISIS among other organizations using

fear. People who use this word to mean foreign attackers should retake English classes.

ter·ror
ˈterər/
noun
noun: terror; plural noun: terrors; noun: holy terror; plural noun: holy terrors

1.
extreme fear.
"people fled in terror"
synonyms: extreme fear, dread, horror, fear and trembling, fright, alarm, panic
"she screamed in terror"

I don't see ISIS in this definition.

[uppityperson]

3. Domestic violence vs terrorism.

[busterbrown]

4. Yea... No Terror here..n/t

[uppityperson]

12. Been there, done that, got the broken nose and ribs. Of course DV is terrorizing someone, but

"terrorism" has a different definition than DV. DV is aimed at one person, or family, typically, Terrorism is political or social at a larger target.

[JanMichael]

6. Because it was a "domestic issue" read: man terrorizing a woman then freaking out...

...with guns when he was trying to "git er back" and was too weak to do it without the weapons. A miserable POS that thinks he owns "his woman" and either has guns he cannot control or found them laying in the yard loaded.

MRA types will hate my post.

[busterbrown]

8. MRA? i’m not being sarcastic...

What is MRA? Thanks.

[JanMichael]

9. Men's Rights Activists - MRA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_rights_movement

Like they are somehow enslaved by Feminism...

MRA can also mean Mistaken Reactionary Asshole.

[JanMichael]

61. I did not see the removed post but I smoked one out! Whee!!! Assholes. nt

[NutmegYankee]

7. Terrorism has a political or social goal.

http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/terrorism/pages/welcome.aspx

[busterbrown]

11. Yea and who came up with that one..

Besides there certainly was a social goal with this slaughter.. wasn’t there.

Inflicting Terror.. Certainly was the case.. Wasn’t it?

[NutmegYankee]

13. By all established defintions of terrorism, no.

This was a case of misogynistic rage/revenge.

[busterbrown]

17. “Established Definitions”?

Well maybe its time for some definition changes... You Think?

Because to the victims and their families it was pure terror.. Correct?

[NutmegYankee]

21. A man driving down the wrong side of the highway evokes terror in other drivers.

But it isn't terrorism. A man robbing you evokes terror, but it isn't terrorism.

Terrorism is a strategy of militarily or politically weak groups to push their political/social goal. For example - an anti-abortion activist is angered that abortion is legal and attacks a clinic, shooting the receptionist dead. That is terrorism! The violence was to further a political or social goal that is normally not obtainable by others means.

[NutmegYankee]

59. Just the Federal Bureau of Investigation - what the hell do they know about the subject...

[Nye Bevan]

14. Because it wasn't terrorism, perhaps?

terrorism
Pronunciation: /ˈterəˌrizəm/
NOUN

The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims:
the fight against terrorism
international terrorism

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/terrorism

[busterbrown]

18. Just the reaction the War Mongers, Gunners would want..n/t

[Nye Bevan]

19. OK.

Well I guess the War Mongers and Gunners deserve credit for understanding how to use dictionaries.

Jihadists are terrorists. Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh were terrorists. This person is a mass murderer but not a terrorist.

[busterbrown]

31. And the horror he inflicted.?.

should not contain the word “Terror” Correct? Or are you gonna teach where and when I can use the adjective TERROR... Maybe the NRA could put out pamphlet on the subject.

[Nye Bevan]

34. He caused "terror" but is not a "terrorist".

Different words, different meanings.

[uppityperson]

38. How dare you call me, a survivor of DV, a "war monger, gunner" because I see the difference between

personal terror of DV and Terrorism.

Calling all violent acts "terrorism" makes that word meaningless. There is a difference.

[sarisataka]

15. From U.S. Code Title 22, Ch.38, Para. 2656f(d)

2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents

To call every crime, no matter how vile, 'terrorism' simply dilutes the term to be meaningless.

[Calculating]

16. yes

It was a horrifying, vile, despicable act. However, it wasn't terrorism and had no political goal. Hope the scumbag who did this gets the death penalty.

[busterbrown]

20. No Political Goal... For Fuck sakes!!

NRA will be calling and constantly calls for every citizen to be armed..and if that were the case
this situation would have been prevented.. No political goal... My ass!

[Nye Bevan]

22. He didn't have the NRA's reaction in mind when he committed the murders.

Are you trying to classify every single murder that ever takes place as "terrorism" for some reason?

[busterbrown]

24. he sure didn’t....

But the NRA will sure turn it into a political talking point.. Correct?

[bluesbassman]

26. You mean like you are?

You are politicizing this horrific act to condemn gun violence, no? While The sentiment has merit, calling this terrorism is hyperbolic and does more to hurt your cause than to help it.

[busterbrown]

29. Bullshit! Its time to stand up to the NRA and

demand they stop using the “but if everyone in the home were all armed” crap..

There is no way around it.. every statement the NRA makes after these type of horrific incidents are political... Some might call for stricter regulations at gun shows after these countless incidents..but the political lobbyists paid for by the NRA will undoubtedly use the same old political rhetoric to strike back at those who bring up any type of sensible legislature...

This act inflicted a huge amount of Terror to anyone who was in that home.. U agree?

[bluesbassman]

33. I have no doubt the victims were terrorized.

But was it an act of terrorism? Not unless you want to call all violent acts terrorism, and if you do then the word becomes meaningless.

[Marengo]

50. What was the killers political goal?

[JI7]

23. same reason "honor killings" aren't called terrorism

[busterbrown]

25. Extremist Govts who allow these “honor killings” to be perpetrated?

You expect them to label these despicable acts of torture and murder as Terrorism?

Of course not.. But they sure have the intention of using these events as a warning to all.. Isn’t this terrorism?

[JI7]

27. huh ? honor killings have happened in western countries and they are not called

Terrorism

[appleannie1]

28. Domestic abusers control their victims by terrorizing them yet it is not called terrorism.

[busterbrown]

30. Could you think of any other applicable description ..

than TERROR?

[appleannie1]

32. Nope. I think terrorizing fits domestic abuse to a T. And I think any woman that has escaped a

situation like that will agree with me.

[busterbrown]

36. According to the NRA..

Your description of “domestic abuse" is not an act of of Terror..

[uppityperson]

39. Club member here too. It is terrorizing but the DVer is not a terrorist but a violent manipulative

asshole. I was assaulted and was terrified. But it was not for a larger social or political goal like Terrorism is.

[mainer]

35. Because the victims weren't sufficiently terrified, maybe?

You have to be killed by an Islamic attacker to be sufficiently terrified.

[busterbrown]

37. Crazy isn’t it..?

How the NRA was able to hijack the Term Terror..and use it politically..

But Victims sure the hell cant..

[muriel_volestrangler]

41. The word 'terrorism' dates from long before the NRA, and from outside the USA

First used in connection with "The Terror", the period of violent government from 1793-4 in France, the tactics of which were called 'terrorisme'. The first known use of the word in English was by Thomas Paine in 1795 - "During the reign of terrorism, I was a close prisoner for eight long months." By 1806, the English were using it in the current form about Irish rebels.

In general, "-ism" in a word means an organised system or sets of beliefs. "Socialism", for instance, means more than just being social.

[busterbrown]

42. Problem? There are no other definitions of Terror.

.. Being a social person can mean a myriad of things.

Terror has only one definition.. It can be caused by different circumstances but it means only one thing

[muriel_volestrangler]

48. Again, you don't seem to know what -'ism' and '-ist' mean, in English and other languages

It's more than just "someone who causes". The word has been used, for over 2 centuries, to mean an organised tactic against a populace, with a political aim.

And, no, terror does have more than one definition:

1. The state of being terrified or extremely frightened; intense fear or dread; an instance or feeling of this. Also in in terror (of something or someone).
2.
a. The state or quality of being terrible or causing intense fear or dread; a thing or person that causes terror; something terrifying. Also: the excitation of pleasurable feelings of fear by the depiction of violence, the supernatural, etc., as a literary genre.
b. A formidable or exasperating person; a troublesome person or thing, esp. a troublesome child;
3.
a. hist. With the. Usu. with upper-case initial. The period of the French Revolution from about March 1793 to July 1794, marked by extreme repression and bloodshed; a similar period of violent repression occurring in other countries, esp. the former Soviet Union during the first half of the 20th cent.
b. As a mass noun. The use of organized repression or extreme intimidation; terrorism.

[busterbrown]

49. #1 on your list...

Describes the tactics of the NRA to a pin point.. How it could not enter your mind that the NRA keeps reminding our general population to be fearful and armed till the hilt.

Where do you get your talking points? Because they are a perfect example of how the NRA utilizes fear as their primary tactic to keep America constantly in fear and armed with over 300.Million weapons.....

I could care less about your irrelevant definition list..
I care only about this fact.. that the NRA exploits the fear of the U.S. population by reminding them of all the terror which confronts them on a daily basis

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[Marengo]

54. What specifically in Muriel's posts are an example of NRA tactics?

[muriel_volestrangler]

58. Look, your obsession with the NRA has nothing to do with how the world has defined 'terrorism'

for a couple of centuries. My 'talking points' come from the Oxford English Dictionary. If you don't care about a definition, then you shouldn't have tried arguing that 'social' has more than one definition, should you?

You wanted to know why a man killing his family isn't called 'terrorism'. Many people have told you, based on the meaning of the word in the English language, and you are instead raving about the NRA. Fuck the NRA. They do not control the meaning of words. But dictionaries do record what the meanings are, and we're telling you. And the murder of family members by a family member does not fit the definition.

There's no point in moaning that other people won't change their use of language just because you personally think it should change, and you don't care how a word has been used for 200 years. It's particularly pointless for you to do it by posting on an obscure internet forum. Tell you what, get yourself famous, get talked about in the media, and then you can try launching your quest to get people to change the way they talk.

[uppityperson]

40. Because the goal was personal, not political or for a wider social purpose. nt

[busterbrown]

43. Well then you better tell the NRA that.

That they should not open their mouths for a wider social purpose.. Because after a domestic mass shooting they immediately do that...”If only the teachers were armed” Tell me thats not political bent on influencing a wider social purpose.

[MicaelS]

44. If these people had been stabbed to death

You would not have said shit. This isn't about terrorism, this is about your hatred of guns and gun owners.

[busterbrown]

46. Ah.. There we go.

Sorry Bub.. Your wrong..Several of my closest friends own guns...Most of them are Vietnam Veterans..

Hatred of guns....for hunting and sport no.. Hatred of organizations which are against sensible registration laws yes... You tell me.. Why the fuck can people who are on no fly lists legally obtain guns..Give me an answer.. and Don’t tell me who I hate..

[uppityperson]

45. Have they said that after this incident? Shooting up a school is not typically DV, but is terrorism

Domestic violence vs Terrorism.

Yes, the NRA says that after school shootings, after such acts of Terrorism. Have they done so after this act of terrifying Domestic Violence?

[busterbrown]

47. Exactly...

My only purpose is to constantly talk about how the NRA never uses the term “Terrorism” no matter how manny people are mutilated or killed... They just hate the term Domestic Terror, don’t they.

[Act_of_Reparation]

53. So, we should label all crime exploited by public figures acts of terrorism?

That's fucking lunacy.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

51. Because the accepted definition of terrorism

is violence against civilians for ideological or political reasons. If it's done for personal reasons it's not classified as terrorism.

[Act_of_Reparation]

52. Because it isn't terrorism.

Maybe.

[Marr]

55. Maybe because it wasn't terrorism?

There was no political/religious goal involved. Show me a case where the same thing was done by a Muslim man and it was described as terrorism.

[Rocknrule]

57. Because when a white guy does it, it's "mental illness"

n/t

[REP]

60. It won't be labeled as such because it wasn't.

Words mean things. Arbitrarily reassigning definitions doesn't change reality. The collapse of the Hyatt catwalks was one of the most terror-filled experiences the survivors and rescuers ever experienced - the building was ankle-deep in the blood of the victims. Ankle deep. Imagine that for a moment. Imagine searching for the living, the dead and the dying while wading through gallons of fresh human blood.

...those mortally injured were told they were going to die and given morphine. Often, rescuers had to dismember bodies in order to reach survivors among the wreckage. One victim's right leg was trapped under an I-beam and had to be amputated by a surgeon, a task which was completed with a chainsaw. -Wikipedia

Was it terrifying? Absolutely. Was it terrorism? Absolutely not. It was fatally catastrophic engineering.

Not everything that is terrifying is terrorism.