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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 02:31 PM Aug 2016

These Little Russian Corvettes Will Turn the Black Sea Into a Fortress (Sputnik)



The Black Sea Fleet is expected to receive a batch of five new Project 22800 'Karakut' ('Black Widow') warships, classified as both 'small missile ships' and 'small corvettes'. Commenting on the prospects for the new vessels, military journalist Boris Stepnov suggested that the new ships will allow the Navy to turn the Black Sea into a fortress.

The Zelenodolsk Plant shipyard has received another order, this time for five small multipurpose Project 22800 missile ships. The next-generation vessel has a displacement of 800 tons, is 65 meters long, 10 meters wide, and has a draught of 4 meters. The vessels have maximum speed of 30 knots, a cruising range of up to 2,500 nautical miles, and can stay at sea for up to 15 days at a time.

By all indications, the new vessels will be assigned to the Black Sea Fleet. The first of them will be handed over to the Navy in 2018, the last in 2021. The ships, equipped with Kalibr cruise missiles, are designed to complement the Project 21631 Buyan-M ('Brawler') missile ships, also built at Zelenodolsk. The latter vessels, also a recent development, are designed specifically for the Caspian Sea and the lower reaches of the Volga.



Commenting on the defense order in a piece for the independent news and analysis hub PolitRussia, defense commentator Boris Stepnov suggested that compared to the Buyan-M, "the Karakut is more seaworthy and has a number of tactical and technical advantages."

"For instance, to protect themselves from enemy air power, the Buyans feature a 30 mm Ak-630M-2 Duet machine gun, which is adequate for use on rivers and in the Caspian. But operations at great distance from its home territory require more powerful protection. The Karakut is equipped with the Pantsir-M," a naval version of the Pantsir-S1 combined surface-to-air missile and anti-aircraft artillery system produced by the KBP Instrument Design Bureau.

It's known that the Karakut uses the 3S13 launcher, allowing the vessel to use both the Onyx anti-ship and Calibr-NK cruise missiles.

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http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160807/1044034181/russian-karakut-warships-analysis.html
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These Little Russian Corvettes Will Turn the Black Sea Into a Fortress (Sputnik) (Original Post) Purveyor Aug 2016 OP
Everyone of these ships is followed by satellites day and night. tonyt53 Aug 2016 #1
It's not quite that simple dumbcat Aug 2016 #11
LOL... those little corvettes are barely ocean-going. Adrahil Aug 2016 #2
map of the black sea to those curious dembotoz Aug 2016 #3
Have to admit the ship in the first photo MicaelS Aug 2016 #4
Seems like a stealth related profile... HereSince1628 Aug 2016 #6
And a single 100mm AAA forward. n/t MicaelS Aug 2016 #9
Oh, AAA! I thought that was a little 6 inch gun. HereSince1628 Aug 2016 #13
Read the article linked to in the OP. MicaelS Aug 2016 #20
How many knots per hour? B Calm Aug 2016 #5
The vessels have maximum speed of 30 knots, a cruising range of up to 2,500 nautical... Purveyor Aug 2016 #7
Little "red" corvette ... dawg Aug 2016 #8
ha ha!! Bucky Aug 2016 #10
I think our new ones edhopper Aug 2016 #12
They're not for us. baldguy Aug 2016 #14
I don't think they're for Turkey, either Nevernose Aug 2016 #18
Wow, we got sci-fi ships, now! Odin2005 Aug 2016 #16
Our old decommissioned ones would blow that little canoe out of the water. B Calm Aug 2016 #17
That version of the LCS does not have any over-the-horizon anti-ship missiles jpak Aug 2016 #19
Then we use one of these edhopper Aug 2016 #21
They lack Harpoon missiles as well, and the 155 mm guns are out-ranged by Ch/Ru missiles. jpak Aug 2016 #22
I was thinking of a different kind of Corvette Odin2005 Aug 2016 #15
 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
1. Everyone of these ships is followed by satellites day and night.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 03:33 PM
Aug 2016

Either the US, Britain, France or China knows where every one of them is at any time. Ships nowadays amount to not much more than cannon fodder.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
11. It's not quite that simple
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 09:01 PM
Aug 2016

Granted, satellites can do a lot, but ocean surveillance is a particular problem. Lots of cloud cover in many maritime areas. Ships nowadays are very well shielded from infrared imagery. There are radar based ocean surveillance sats (I worked with the Lacrosse system many years ago) but they have their own problems.

There are just not enough assets to track every threat 24/7 everywhere.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
2. LOL... those little corvettes are barely ocean-going.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 03:44 PM
Aug 2016

One Harpoon missile each would take care of them, if push came to shove.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
13. Oh, AAA! I thought that was a little 6 inch gun.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 09:47 PM
Aug 2016

I don't really know what the tactical role of that class of ships is supposed to be...

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
20. Read the article linked to in the OP.
Fri Aug 19, 2016, 09:13 AM
Aug 2016

Those little ships have a very long reach. They are not just anti-ship, look at the map showing the attack radius of their cruise missiles. A very big punch in a small package.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
7. The vessels have maximum speed of 30 knots, a cruising range of up to 2,500 nautical...
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 05:33 PM
Aug 2016

The vessels have maximum speed of 30 knots, a cruising range of up to 2,500 nautical miles, and can stay at sea for up to 15 days at a time.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
18. I don't think they're for Turkey, either
Fri Aug 19, 2016, 08:54 AM
Aug 2016

I think Erdogan is trying to pivot towards Russia and away from the NATO block, creating a new line of power from Moscow to Damascus. It might open up more political and financial possibilities than Turkey has had so far, and therefore potentially in their best interest.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
17. Our old decommissioned ones would blow that little canoe out of the water.
Fri Aug 19, 2016, 08:36 AM
Aug 2016

My old ship USS Albany CG10.



jpak

(41,759 posts)
19. That version of the LCS does not have any over-the-horizon anti-ship missiles
Fri Aug 19, 2016, 08:56 AM
Aug 2016

and a single 57 mm gun.

It is no match for the new Russian corvettes.

jpak

(41,759 posts)
22. They lack Harpoon missiles as well, and the 155 mm guns are out-ranged by Ch/Ru missiles.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 02:18 PM
Aug 2016

and they don't have any CIWS.

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