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Source: Reuters
Milwaukee imposes curfew to quell rioting sparked by police shooting
By Brendan O'Brien | MILWAUKEE
The city of Milwaukee imposed a 10 p.m. curfew on Monday in an attempt to quell rioting that erupted the previous two nights in response to the police shooting of an armed black man in one of the most segregated cities in the United States.
Mayor Tom Barrett also renewed his call for state officials to release a video of the Saturday night shooting in hopes it convinces angry protesters that deadly force against Sylville K. Smith, 23, was justified.
"There is a curfew that will be more strictly enforced tonight for teenagers," Barrett told a news conference. "So parents, after 10 o'clock your teenagers better be home or in a place where they're off the streets."
Milwaukee has become the latest American city to be gripped by violence in response to police killings of black men in places such as Ferguson, Missouri, in 2014 and Baltimore last year.
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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-wisconsin-police-idUSKCN10P06W
pintobean
(18,101 posts)"I mean, there was virtually no time between the officer unhooking his seat belt, turning on his body camera, getting out of the car and immediately he was in a foot chase. That foot chase went maybe a few dozen feet before he encountered this individual in a fenced yard," Flynn said.
"The individual was armed. The individual did turn toward the officer with the firearm in his hand. You can't tell when the officer discharges his firearm."
Flynn said he doesn't know how soon the body camera video would be released, but he and Mayor Tom Barrett said transparency was important and they hoped it could be released soon. That decision will be up to the state Department of Justice. Flynn said the quickest release he knew of was one week, in a Chicago case.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/breaking/2016/08/14/calm-restored-scene-unrest-clarke-calls-national-guard/88716616/
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)These are very complex problems that have taken literally decades to escalate - any catalyst could have been the flashpoint.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)This is the shooting that they decided to riot over. This is the news of the day.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Closed minded people with excessive privilege think this situation exists in a vacuum of that one event.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)assault, theft, and arson. We've been dealing with the same thing here for years. Riots aren't victimless crimes.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)They don't happen in a vacuum. It's important to analyze the contributing factors and try to fix it.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)do you even hear yourself? Protesting violence by burning down your own neighborhood.....it just isn't going to get any positive results
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)See, I didn't. I am discussing the events and decades of issues that lead up to it and the fact that the one single shooting on Saturday isn't even what it's about. I think I said, "These are very complex problems that have taken literally decades to escalate - any catalyst could have been the flashpoint."
I have made no mention or implication that the reaction is good, justified, reasonable or positive. I am simply saying we need to discuss, face and address deep issues. I don't know why you think that is so laughable or worthy of your scorn.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)they deeply reinforce the worst of stereotypes
*DONE HERE*
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Wisconsin named worst state for black Americans - http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2016/08/05/wisconsin-named-worst-state-for-black-americans.html
Wisconsin has the highest percentage of incarcerated black men in the nation - http://wuwm.com/topic/project-milwaukee-black-men-prison#stream/0
How One Milwaukee Zip Code Explains Americas Mass Incarceration Problem - https://thinkprogress.org/how-one-milwaukee-zip-code-explains-americas-mass-incarceration-problem-66a6535d1c4#.s9xopcry0
Race and Reality: The scourge of segregation - http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/01/us/milwaukee-wisconsin-segregation-poll/
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)For your efforts here. However as is usually the case - I'm getting the worst stereotypes reinforced by DU. Let it go - same as it ever was ya know?
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)It's just crazy because, being so close to it, ALL of the local Democratic leaders and local Democrats I know are saying the VERY things I am saying. Hell, even *some* of the local right-wingers understand the enormity of the issue and most people get that this is very deep.
"What happened tonight may not have been right and I am not justifying that but no one can deny the fact that there are problems, racial problems in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, that need to be rectified," Rainey said. "This community of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, has become the worst place to live for African-Americans in the entire country."
Rainey said Saturday's violence was a byproduct of inequities, injustice, unemployment and under-education.
"Something has to be done to address these issues," he said. "The black people of Milwaukee are tired; they are tired of living under this oppression, this is their life."
Stamper said the actions seen late Saturday come from helplessness -- and the voters put people like him in office to help. Stamper stated he was going to "put resources in this budget" and "partner with people who want to make a difference.
Milwaukee's racial problems are no secret. Talking about it doesn't justify the riots and I am fucking sick of a handful of people here acting like it does.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us/racial-violence-in-milwaukee-was-decades-in-the-making-residents-say.html?_r=2
Then I come to DU and some are discussing it exactly like the farthest of right wingers. A post below goes to far as asking if I will be helping with rioting.
No, asshole. I help with cleaning up the aftermath.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Did you know that when I roll my eyes - it's a sign of contempt. I looked like beetlejuice when I read that. The thing about you helping.
Doesn't matter - black people will be showing up in droves this election. We are going to win.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)I don't and won't justify the violence and destruction. Now now or ever. Discussing the root cause is not an attempt to protect the rioters or even the guy who was shot Saturday, but the vast majority of the community who are victims of it and so very much more.
I think the thing that shocks me most is the feeling that I get that people here don't think the massive underlying issues SHOULD be discussed in context of these events. As though the entire community should be 'punished' for the violence and destruction propagated by a relative few and that discussing it is in some way affirming their actions. It's utterly heatrbreaking.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Looks like Milwaukee is another BaltimoreFergusonLA. Seems most time people blow up like this its more often than not a sign of oppression.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Chief Flynn of Milwaukee PD is a good man.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Wisconsin named worst state for black Americans - http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2016/08/05/wisconsin-named-worst-state-for-black-americans.html
This rioting isn't even really about Saturday's shooting. Justified or not.
These are very complex problems that have taken literally decades to escalate - any catalyst could have been the flashpoint
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... with the area legal system.
Of course its faux news acting like its all a single act that made them do this and one asshole commentator called the rioters racist.
They don't want to talk about tRump today
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)http://www.milwaukee53206.com/
Segregation, mass incarceration, poverty and unemployment are out of hand. We need to invest in people.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... vs an all around base of people who can add to society.
These areas need to be outed, I wish there was a website of complaints
Release The Hounds
(467 posts)He is the FAUX/Glen Beck wacko. Ed Flynn is the Chief.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Calculating
(2,955 posts)Out of all the good reasons to protest, they picked a shooting where the guy actually DID have a gun and was an actual criminal.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Wisconsin is ranked the worst place in the US for AA's and this neighborhood is pretty much the epicenter of that.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)exboyfil
(17,863 posts)Strategically edited by CNN to take out the incitement to riot.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frenchrevolution/2016/08/15/video-sister-of-man-killed-by-milwaukee-police-tells-rioters-take-that-sh-t-to-the-suburbs/2/
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Her brother was just killed and her neighborhood a shambles.
Only right wing lunatics are taking it that way.
IamTheNoodle
(98 posts)Who the hell gave you the right to say that what she said she didn't mean??
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)unprepared cry for help by someone in pain. I am someone who chooses to focus on the cry for help and not demonize her for a small portion of her otherwise decent statement that was awful. I am someone that lives in the suburbs to which she referred who was not threatened by those few shitty words.
That's who I am.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)www.angrypatriotmovement.com
www.newsbusters.org
www.ar15.com
bluelivesmatter.blue
www.infowars.com
ijr.com/
dailycaller.com/
That's who.
What I think is that I am having a discussion on a discussion board about the decades of oppression that contributed to destruction of the neighborhood in which I was born. The way that I think I help is by assisting the good people rebuild and by working to elect people willing to invest in education and resources for a community which has been neglected and shat upon.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)to tell us we didn't see what we plainly saw. You don't gain allies calling by calling your audience a bunch of chumps.
I'm an anarchist, my distrust of authorities is in-grained and reflexive. I should be a natural ally in your quest to bring greater scrutiny to the authorities that oversee that neighborhood.
Yet, based on the ridiculous lengths you go to in your posts I can't help but wonder how much of the destitution in the affected neighborhood is self-imposed by its residents if they call for riots, make absurd excuses while rejecting and insulting others all in the name of a man who was fleeing with a gun and had a lengthy criminal record (meaning, he was victimizing the people in the neighborhood. In case you overlooked that part.).
If you are a representative of that neighborhood --
Well, I can only return to my original statement.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Seriously. As long as my post is, you replied in less than a minute.
Your epistemological closure is absolute and on display for all to see.
Good luck with your neighborhood. You'll need luck because obviously deliberate remediation has no opportunity to prosper if you make excuses for armed criminals and rioters who prey upon the neighborhood.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)The residents can say whatever they want to say but what I see here and now is you throwing out every distraction from the fact the man who was shot confronted the cops while armed with a gun. He was a career criminal who preyed upon the people in the neighborhood. And now the people are rioting after his sister went on her tear.
Attempts to obfuscate, distract and blame shift aren't going to make those plain-as-day facts disappear. Your attempts to cover them up aren't working, it's just insulting. You'll reject my words, of course, but a survey of the thread shows at least 2 of your previous interlocutors have waved-off any further discussion with you because of the ridiculous nature of your defenses.
If gaining awareness and understanding is your objective you're failing miserably but you're just too damned stubborn to realize or admit it. You've done more harm to your cause than any of the RW sites you previously listed because you're pissing off/away your allies on a LW site who don't even patronize those sites.
Here's another piece of advice I'm sure will be ignored (if not twisted into something worse): If you really want the neighborhood to improve part of that reform must include confronting the criminal elements. Yes, people often turn to crime out of desperation but for a community to thrive with jobs, homes, schools, etc. the criminals who prey upon good people and businesses will have to also reform or be removed. No one is going to invest their lives and livelihoods in a place where criminals are allowed to act with impunity -- or worse -- have excuses made for their abhorrent victimization of others.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)That really does complicate the neighborhood's internal view of criminals and the notion that the neighborhood could be made right by running the criminals out.
You are absolutely correct in the view that perception of the neighborhood as dangerous impacts investment.
Unfortunately, the situation in the neighborhood is extremely dysfunctional, perhaps too dysfunctional for business as usual to be the answer.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)he fled from the police then turned to face the cops while holding a gun in his hand?
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)I get that you are trying to provide understanding. I get that is taken otherwise.
Rioting is -threatening- to social and personal safety. Not surprisingly there are laws with punishments against disorderly conduct, arson, etc.
Threats (be they riots in a distant or not so distant place, or the sound of ice-breaking under your feet) evoke emotionally based motivations that seek and strongly promote narratives that advocate the reduction of the threat.
Consequently, the dominant social meme about Sherman Park is that rioting is bad, destruction of property and injuries to life are very very bad. The prevailing narrative is about how rioting doesn't really fix anything, but actually makes things worse. And riots are bad, and they do make things worse.
Anything that doesn't say that while trying to present consideration of how a neighborhood erupts into violent civil disobedience runs against the prevailing narrative and is called rationalizing and excuse-making. And that is the reaction that you face.
I honor your attempts to try to move readers toward greater understanding. But, a decade and one-half of DU experience tells me, people don't want understanding, they want their fears assuaged and their beliefs endorsed.
'Now is not the time for intellectualizing,' and that is a part of the problem. It's -never- time to talk thoughtfully about the problems.
My expectation, as a DUer and as someone who lives a bit more than a mile from Sherman Park, is that when the dust on DU settles enough for more rational than emotional discourse to take place, no one will be interested, because the topic isn't pushed by an immediate emotional motivator.
The misery of life of the "underclass" in Sherman Park probably won't ever be thoroughly discussed here. Neither will the generalized need for BLM and protests against the broad effects of prejudice and discrimination.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)I think the thing that shocks me most is the feeling that I get that people here don't think the massive underlying issues SHOULD be discussed in context of these events. As though the entire community should be 'punished' for the violence and destruction propagated by a relative few and that discussing it is in some way affirming their actions. It's utterly heatrbreaking.
I was born there and raised a few miles from it. Now I am out in the 'burbs but deeply aware of the crisis. I have a close friend who is a hard-working Milwaukee County Supervisor and another who is a LEO in district 7. She worked 20 hour shifts this weekend with only a few hours break in between. I love Milwaukee but I want its very deep flaws with racial relations to get better. As such, I will keep discussing them, keep helping clean up and bring supplies to Sherman Park and keep working to elect leaders who make fixing this a priority.
I don't and won't justify the violence and destruction. Now now or ever. Discussing the root cause is not an attempt to protect the rioters or even the guy who was shot Saturday, but the vast majority of the community who are victims of it and so very much more.
Thanks again.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)And it's a goal I can't even be confident about because everything you just wrote calls your judgment into question.
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)Don't to it to us, go burn down other people's neighborhoods if you're angry. I'm not really saying go do that, but if you're going to do it, take it out on other people.
It's all subjective. Depending on who says what, people can justify and rationalize, or not justify and rationalize, what they say.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Fuck that link and the idea it represents.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)And perception is reality in most things.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)she'll scream PRIVILEGE at you
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)you just tell us what people you don't know are thinking, and why
done here, too
B Calm
(28,762 posts)I can defend the people who are angry teen protestors using violence.