Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 04:27 PM Aug 2016

Did Donald Trump Win The Nomination Because Republican Voters Are Dumb? (article title)

John McQuaid , CONTRIBUTOR
Journalist
MAY 12, 2016


Everybody’s looking for reasons why all the predictions were wrong, and how a modern American political party could come to nominate a candidate like Donald Trump. Jonathan Chait argues that it’s because most political prognosticators could not accept that many Republican voters are short some IQ points:

As low as my estimation of the intelligence of the Republican electorate may be, I did not think enough of them would be dumb enough to buy his act. And, yes, I do believe that to watch Donald Trump and see a qualified and plausible president, you probably have some kind of mental shortcoming. As many fellow Republicans have pointed out, Donald Trump is a con man. What I failed to realize — and, I believe, what so many others failed to realize, though they have reasons not to say so — is just how easily so many Republicans are duped.


While I agree that Trump is unqualified to be president, and that nominating him is a big mistake, can you really attribute his victory to collective idiocy? Clearly something went wrong here, but you can’t plot the Trump phenomenon as a function of intelligence. Republican voters have had plenty of chances to elect Trump-esque candidates before (e.g., Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain) and they went with traditional, party-minted choices – until this year. Have GOP voters literally gotten stupider in the past four years? Clearly not.

It’s a mistake to look at voting, especially for president, as a rational process of weighing costs and benefits. Most individual voters don’t think much about policies or the practical realities of running the federal bureaucracy, dealing with Congress, or managing international alliances – the stuff Trump is so pathetically clueless about. They don’t put the candidates’ budget proposals in spreadsheets to compare them or see if the numbers add up. Unlike offices such as local mayor or school board member, what the president does on a daily basis is far removed from the realities of most people’s lives. So most of us treat the choice more abstractly. It reflects how people feel about the country, about character. And when feelings run high, policy recedes. Many people, I suspect, think the American political system is pretty sturdy (if paradoxically dysfunctional) and the damage any individual can do is limited. So, you don’t cast a vote for president to implement policies, but to express yourself, to send a message, to jar the system. Trump is the purest distillation of this tendency.

read the rest at the link http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmcquaid/2016/05/12/did-donald-trump-win-the-nomination-because-republican-voters-are-dumb/#33b600886ed4

*willful ignorance*


17 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Did Donald Trump Win The Nomination Because Republican Voters Are Dumb? (article title) (Original Post) SummerSnow Aug 2016 OP
He just told the voters who to be afraid of - everybody. tonyt53 Aug 2016 #1
They are what they trained themselves to be Johonny Aug 2016 #2
Look how many are dedicated to FOX , or Rush. Yes they are easily duped. Person 2713 Aug 2016 #3
The Republican brand was rotten... kentuck Aug 2016 #4
media jodymarie aimee Aug 2016 #5
This is a really good blurb: trotsky Aug 2016 #6
Don't forget a very strong motivation gratuitous Aug 2016 #8
Yes, great point. trotsky Aug 2016 #10
That's it... Phentex Aug 2016 #11
Same reason people voted for Brexit. auntpurl Aug 2016 #14
does the pope crap in the woods? MFM008 Aug 2016 #7
In Forbes Magazine, no less. salin Aug 2016 #9
Short sighted, greedy, racist, misogynistic, homophobic. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2016 #12
The only reasont he Republican Party ever wins an election is because Republican voters are dumb. Downtown Hound Aug 2016 #13
Uh...yes? Is this a trick question? nt auntpurl Aug 2016 #15
Some are dumb, some angry, the rest couldn't unify. tinrobot Aug 2016 #16
While not a universal truth, fanaticism and intellect are negatively correlated whatthehey Aug 2016 #17

Johonny

(20,852 posts)
2. They are what they trained themselves to be
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 04:33 PM
Aug 2016

Many GOPers are well educated, but have fed themselves a steady diet of lies, half-truths, and hate as comfort food to an ideology that has become less and less well defined as a real thing. Paul Ryan is now a liberal in their world so don't tell me conservationism is a "thing" anymore. Into this climate Trump was basically bound to arrive and dominate.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
4. The Republican brand was rotten...
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 04:34 PM
Aug 2016

and Trump was different. It didn't matter if he wasn't a conservative. He wasn't a rotten Republican.

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
5. media
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 04:50 PM
Aug 2016

Excuse me, the castrated money grubbing media did this. Fairness Doctrine and honesty in journalism gone gone gone.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
6. This is a really good blurb:
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 04:56 PM
Aug 2016
So, you don’t cast a vote for president to implement policies, but to express yourself, to send a message, to jar the system. Trump is the purest distillation of this tendency.


Really hits the nail on the head, I think. That does seem to be a very common theme I've seen in Drumpf supporters. "He'll shake things up." Doesn't matter that everything he's said will harm the US or its people.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. Don't forget a very strong motivation
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 05:53 PM
Aug 2016

Pissing off the dirty fucking hippies. Republicans, who can barely articulate what they themselves think, seem to think they know all about what animates liberals, and what liberals think and care about. They're not always 100% wrong, but they are usually quite wrong in their estimate of what's going to piss us off. Usually, their antics make us feel sorry for them or cause us to point and laugh.

Republican voters are nothing so much as the Crack Suicide Squad from the Judean People's Front in Monty Python's Life of Brian. After the nincompoops mount their devastating charge and completely ineffectual mass suicide, the Roman soldiers overseeing the crucifixions merely look at one another and shrug. On a good day, Republicans get that sort of a reaction from liberals.

Donald Trump won these idiots over in part because they heard us warning those same idiots that they were making a grievous mistake. The miscalculation wasn't that we were concerned for ourselves; no, we knew we'd be all right. Instead, they saddled their party with this out of control maniac. They did it in part by not testing him throughout the primary process: "Oh, listen to the liberals! They're soooo concerned that we're going to nominate Trump. Well, let's do it!" And so Trump won the nomination with no more trouble than Bo Jackson had with Brian Bosworth.

Now, Trump's getting the scrutiny he should have had all along. And guess what? He's not nearly as good a politician as he thought he was, and he's not ready for the arena. This race will exemplify the difference between a tyro and a seasoned veteran. Experience counts.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
10. Yes, great point.
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 09:04 AM
Aug 2016

They especially latch on to those false memes that supposedly display liberal hypocrisy. Like the one the racists love to push - "The Democrats are the racist party! They started the KKK!" Or mocking any liberal who has gotten rich. It's just too predictable.

+1 for the Life of Brian reference.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
11. That's it...
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 10:24 AM
Aug 2016

I doubt the major GOP heads really thought it would go this far. They messed up big time. You KNOW they can't stand him but only a few (like idiot Cruz) would stand up and say it. Now they are stuck with him.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,869 posts)
12. Short sighted, greedy, racist, misogynistic, homophobic.
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 10:33 AM
Aug 2016

That's pretty much it.

I would be really embarrassed to say I was a Republican now. It's just a whole list of really not good stuff. And no good stuff left.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
13. The only reasont he Republican Party ever wins an election is because Republican voters are dumb.
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 11:17 AM
Aug 2016

Any smart party would have kicked them to the curb years ago.

tinrobot

(10,903 posts)
16. Some are dumb, some angry, the rest couldn't unify.
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 11:25 AM
Aug 2016

I think the people who voted for him are a combination of dumb voters and voters who voted emotionally out of anger.

The rest are voters who supported more mainstream candidates. Unfortunately, they couldn't unify around one of the half dozen or so milquetoast alternatives.

So... perfect storm?

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
17. While not a universal truth, fanaticism and intellect are negatively correlated
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 11:26 AM
Aug 2016

There are plenty of very intelligent Republicans. They split their votes 16 ways (ok probably 12 or so). There are plenty of dumb Republicans. In all fairness they split their votes too. The theocrazy ones had a couple of godbotherers to choose from. The gonna-be-rich-if-gubmint-gets-off-my-back-except-for-SSDI idiots had a couple of Galtians. But the nativist bigoted trash? They only had one. They finally had one who unabashedly represented them, talked like them, said nice things about them. And when you do that you don't have supporters you have followers, fanatics, brownshirts. That's why he won, and that's why his election "strategy" is to ignore everybody else and maintain their frenzy so every blessed one of them will vote.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Did Donald Trump Win The ...