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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo you want to see Stein and Johnson in the debates?
I doubt either will reach 15% required to get in.
I'm curious if du thinks out or in is better for HRC
whistler162
(11,155 posts)If Trump's numbers drop below 15% do we really want to hear him debate.
blue neen
(12,322 posts).
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,252 posts)All they will do is be bomb throwers and we already know that Stein will be focusing on Clinton. I suspect that Johnson will also target Clinton since she is the frontrunner in the race although the constituency that he should be trying to persuade to vote for him would normally be Republicans. Considering that neither Johnson or Stein have a chance to win the election it would be a waste of time to have them on stage.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)hillary be attacked by 3...obviously
EricMaundry
(1,619 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)if the person has over 10% support. That's millions of people, I think.
Then raise the threshold of support to 20% or whatever.
But I am looking forward to a one on one debate that shines a blinding spotlight on Trump's appalling ignorance. HRC is an accomplished and formidable debater.
He is a blustering buffoon.
Laurian
(2,593 posts)speaking to issues. (He will evade anyway, but with only the two of them on stage, his incompetence will be in sharp contrast to Clinton's intelligence and expertise.)
brush
(53,791 posts)During the repug debates Trump was able make fun of Jeb or Little Mario and not address issues.
We don't need Stein of Johnson up there for Trump to play off of.
Let him face off with Hillary so the nation can see how little he knows.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)they don't have a right to be on that stage by merely existing
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)investment of many millions has paid off for them and could serve as a catalyst for them to have even more influence in the election. Stein, of course, will not be there.
struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)The story with the Greens is similar
I don't know how either will do this year but neither will be moving into the White House
Let's not waste everybody's time
If they want to play in the big leagues, they should start winning state offices and seats in Congress
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)It should be based on that sort of metric, not any arbitrary value judgment as to how "worthy" their viewpoints are.
I doubt Johnson will hit 15%, Stein definitely won't, so the question is probably moot.
But I do think given that ours is clearly the party of the 1st Amendment, and our platform commits to our shared values on clear progressive leadership combined with a strong personal freedom agenda, on things like a pathway to marijuana legalization; while the GOP platform endorses things like censorship, rolling back equality for LGBT Americans, Theocracy and outlawing abortion and birth control-- really, the Libertarians pose a much greater danger to the Republicans in terms of siphoning off their voters, than they do to us.
Stein will get the Nader crowd, but I don't think those numbers have changed much, percentage-wise, since 2000. If anything, I think more erstwhile Green people have gotten wise since then.
C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)Just more wiggle room for Trump to be a clown.
A real one on one debate is what this country deserves.
A real debate with real questions,response and interchange,
not the froofy kind that both parties have foisted on us.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Demonaut
(8,919 posts)during the year between elections
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)only target Hillary.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)no and no.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)because it's just chaos for the elite to broker influence with any more than that.
For all the talk of horse-races, Americans are unable to grasp politics as anything other than a football or baseball game.
And really, it's that simple. Think about it...
There's never been a major league baseball or football game with 3 teams on the field. Don't expect 3 to show up for a debate.
Choice just confuses things. America doesn't need more voices in it's debates. It doesn't need longer lists of candidates on ballots. It needs to bring straight-party voting to all 50 states. We get to vote for 'our team', no intense investment of time learning about candidate and no headaches trying to reconcile those pesky differences between voter and candidate perspective.
Oh, and don't give me crap about how there's never been a major league with only 2 teams. It's not my fault that the oligarchs want to divide us up. Hollywood runs the same movie in multiple public and home theaters... Local teams just want their own territory to control... just like Al Capone.
Just accept that there are very simple yet very powerful political realities at work. Keep this simple, and everything will work out. Jest Fine.
It'll be beautiful. The best. It always is.
Believe me, all those noisy people will come around, or rendered meaningless.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)whether or not I want to see them in the debates really has nothing to do with what is better for HRC.
I'd like to see them in the debates because I think including all the voices is important, and I'd like the nation to hear them. I call that democracy.