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cali

(114,904 posts)
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 08:24 AM Aug 2016

Unbelievable. Infuriating.


Pentagon’s Sloppy Bookkeeping Means $6.5 Trillion Can’t Pass an Audit



The Defense Department over the years has been notorious for its lax accounting practices. The Pentagon has never completed an audit of how they actually spend the trillions of dollars on wars, equipment, personnel, housing, healthcare and procurements.

An increasingly impatient Congress has demanded that the Army achieve “audit readiness” for the first time by Sept. 30, 2017, so that lawmakers can get a better handle on military spending. But Pentagon watchdogs think that may be mission impossible, and for good reason.

A Department of Defense inspector general’s report released last week offered a jaw-dropping insight into just how bad the military’s auditing system is.

The Defense Finance and Accounting Service, the behemoth Indianapolis-based agency that provides finance and accounting services for the Pentagon’s civilian and military members, could not provide adequate documentation for $6.5 trillion worth of year-end adjustments to Army general fund transactions and data.


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http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/07/31/Pentagon-s-Sloppy-Bookkeeping-Means-65-Trillion-Can-t-Pass-Audit








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Unbelievable. Infuriating. (Original Post) cali Aug 2016 OP
We could fully fund Public Education and infrastructure repair off of what the military Dustlawyer Aug 2016 #1
Yep-- panader0 Aug 2016 #3
There's a reason why awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #25
It's never clear to me that this money is 'lost' vs it's going into 'black projects'. HereSince1628 Aug 2016 #2
Remember the $600 hammers and $1000 toilet seats? NightWatcher Aug 2016 #4
Or a few billion, here and there, to buy out leaders of small and medium sized countries. HereSince1628 Aug 2016 #5
Black projects for sure: Black pockets of fat cats and tax-evading corporations. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #8
or outright theft. mopinko Aug 2016 #11
Inconceivable. randome Aug 2016 #6
Why? (I'm assuming snark due to the reference(s) cali Aug 2016 #9
Yes, just snark. And directed at the Pentagon. randome Aug 2016 #10
Fat Cat Corporate Welfare. Could retire half of Federal debt with this. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #7
Oh dear frazzled Aug 2016 #12
Pentagon overspending is low-hanging fruit. Even wingnuts can get people MADem Aug 2016 #19
Maybe go over to Northern Virginia and you'll see where a lot ToxMarz Aug 2016 #13
This problem has only gotten worse down the years. MADem Aug 2016 #14
We already have a POTUS with a Nobel Plucketeer Aug 2016 #15
He doesn't have the Congress on his side and he never has. MADem Aug 2016 #17
Obama will be blamed for this. Ilsa Aug 2016 #16
Anyone making that claim is a moron, that money was given TO us by the Shah MADem Aug 2016 #18
I couldn't agree more. Ilsa Aug 2016 #22
Since when has being a moron awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #26
Stargates and inter-planetary military outposts don't pay for themselves. nt MrScorpio Aug 2016 #20
the largest grift of all time. Javaman Aug 2016 #21
Coincidence? colsohlibgal Aug 2016 #23
Or "The Six Hundred Ship Navy" or "Star Wars" (Ronald Reagan era). MADem Aug 2016 #24

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
1. We could fully fund Public Education and infrastructure repair off of what the military
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 08:30 AM
Aug 2016

wastes each year without cutting military effectiveness.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
2. It's never clear to me that this money is 'lost' vs it's going into 'black projects'.
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 08:40 AM
Aug 2016

There have been many similar reports announced for what seems like decades.

Complete and accurate accountings are just as often, if not somewhat more called for, but those accountings are never realized.




NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
4. Remember the $600 hammers and $1000 toilet seats?
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 09:01 AM
Aug 2016

They're not going to have a line item that says "money for mustard gas that we used on civilians"
or "bribes for assassinations".

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
5. Or a few billion, here and there, to buy out leaders of small and medium sized countries.
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 09:09 AM
Aug 2016

The defense budget is a very big carpet under which many things can be swept.

mopinko

(70,165 posts)
11. or outright theft.
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 09:57 AM
Aug 2016

richard secord.
stuff comes in the front door, gets stamped as surplus, gets sold out the back door to slimy tin pot dictators and guerrilla movements that we train, and the money goes into some mole's pocket.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
6. Inconceivable.
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 09:32 AM
Aug 2016

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randome

(34,845 posts)
10. Yes, just snark. And directed at the Pentagon.
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 09:47 AM
Aug 2016

Or maybe that word doesn't mean what I think it means.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Meredith McIver approves of this post.[/center][/font][hr]

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
12. Oh dear
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 09:58 AM
Aug 2016

I hope we take reporting from the right-leaning Fiscal Times with a grain of salt.

The start-up, The Fiscal Times, covers economic issues, with a particular focus on the federal budget, the growing deficit and efforts to rein in health care and Social Security spending. Its financing was provided by Peter G. Peterson, the billionaire investment banker who advocates deficit reduction and restrictions on entitlement programs.

On Dec. 31, The Post published the first news article produced by The Fiscal Times, a report on the support in Washington for a proposed deficit-reduction commission. The primary expert quoted in the article is from the Concord Coalition, whose mission is also balanced budgets and limits on safety-net spending.

But the article did not mention Mr. Peterson, his backing of The Fiscal Times, that he was a co-founder of the Concord Coalition or that his foundation was a major underwriter of the coalition.

A group of mostly liberal policy analysts say the problem is more basic than a lack of transparency — that The Fiscal Times has a built-in bias, so The Post should not publish its work.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/06/business/media/06post.html?_r=0

MADem

(135,425 posts)
19. Pentagon overspending is low-hanging fruit. Even wingnuts can get people
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 10:52 AM
Aug 2016

from left to right shaking their fist at that topic. It's as sure as springtime--a problem we've had for many, many years, now. It crosses not just administrations, but GENERATIONS.

I'd love to see us get a handle on it. I've been a fan of trying to do just that for a long time, now.

ToxMarz

(2,169 posts)
13. Maybe go over to Northern Virginia and you'll see where a lot
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 10:00 AM
Aug 2016

of it ended up in the mansions of the defense contractors

MADem

(135,425 posts)
14. This problem has only gotten worse down the years.
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 10:14 AM
Aug 2016

I don't mean to splash cold water on this idea, because I think it is LONG overdue, but this sort of effort has been tried before. I can remember at least three HUGE pushes to get some accountability in DC, one of the more famous ones after that DOD boondoggle that was memorialized in the HBO film "Pentagon Wars" (anyone who hasn't seen it should take the time and watch--it is an older movie but it is right on the money).

This is the Quadrennial Dance of the Congresscritters, IMO. Sound and fury....


The POTUS who can get a handle on Five-Sided Funny Farm Fraud, Waste and Abuse (FWA) should be given a Nobel Prize--it will be that grand an achievement. Part of the problem is that there's a whole black ops budget included in that pile, and a lot of the FWA gets blamed on that (when it's really just sloppy bookkeeping and even sloppier spending with poor oversight).




Kelsey Grammar may be a wingnut, but he was great in this pic.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. He doesn't have the Congress on his side and he never has.
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 10:46 AM
Aug 2016

It is astounding what he has been able to achieve despite the intransigence and bitter hatred of Tortoiseboy and his crew of mendacious n'er do wells.

The oversight process at the Pentagon, too, runs at a glacial pace but GOP obstruction has made change (never mind hope) difficult in any event.

HRC used to serve on SASC--she knows how those clowns can toss up bullshit mixed with fairy dust and try to blow it in the eyes of those who are determined to get to the bottom of things. She can see it coming a mile away. It should help her to know how that game is played.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
16. Obama will be blamed for this.
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 10:34 AM
Aug 2016

Just watch. Someone will claim the $400 mil to Iran is rolled up in this.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
18. Anyone making that claim is a moron, that money was given TO us by the Shah
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 10:49 AM
Aug 2016

as a downpayment for weapons/aviation systems that WE never delivered.

I have to laugh at all these ransom accusations--they are utter wingnutty bullshit.

If you have to pay a "ransom," the best way to do it is to use the KIDNAPPER's money, I suppose....!

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
22. I couldn't agree more.
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 11:39 AM
Aug 2016

After providing the basics of the history (1979) to some friends online, they still didn't get that it was Iran's money. I had to explain mechanics of the account freeze, and that the Iran deal is helping prevent a war between Iran and Israel, drawing in Russia and Syria.

Javaman

(62,531 posts)
21. the largest grift of all time.
Mon Aug 8, 2016, 11:10 AM
Aug 2016

lie about what you need the money for, cook the books, make so them so incredibly complicated that no one wants to try and figure them out, laugh all the way to the bank.

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