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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:24 PM Aug 2016

"Having Women In Positions Of Political Leadership Is A 'Mark Of Judgment' Upon A Nation"

Earlier this week, the American Pastors Network dedicated its daily "Stand in the Gap" radio program to discussing the question of whether it is "biblical to have women in positions of government," during which APN board member Gary Dull argued that women should not be elected to such positions because it is "very clear in the scripture that a woman should not be in authority over men."

Yesterday, APN president Sam Rohrer appeared on TheDove TV's "Focus Today" program to discuss the issue, where he provided a more "enlightened" answer to this question by insisting that while it's not necessarily unbiblical for women to hold positions of political authority, it is a sign that a society is under God's judgment.

Like Dull, Rohrer cited a verse from Isaiah 3 declaring that "youths oppress my people, women rule over them" when a nation is under judgment to assert that having women in leadership positions is "a mark of judgment" upon a nation.

"It was a mark of the lack of male leadership in positions to which God had called them," he said. "They rejected who God was, they departed, walking away from him — and I think we can draw the parallels to our country, obviously ... When that happens, [leaders] become tyrants or oppressors and God said, 'And women shall be rulers over you.' And that's where a lot of the context comes from, that that's an anathema."

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/sam-rohrer-having-women-positions-political-leadership-mark-judgment-upon-nation

I wonder if republicans will come out and condemn this like they so often talk about it when it comes to Islam (and how muslims, to them, seem silent when it comes to the wackos)?

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"Having Women In Positions Of Political Leadership Is A 'Mark Of Judgment' Upon A Nation" (Original Post) The Straight Story Aug 2016 OP
Caca like this makes my blood boil... BooScout Aug 2016 #1
Time is as subjective as religion The2ndWheel Aug 2016 #9
Good thing this is 2016 and we are a secular nation, so we can point and snicker procon Aug 2016 #2
"Oh, when did you convert to Judaism and where did you find an Orthodox Rabbi Warpy Aug 2016 #3
So the U.S. is Zion? superpatriotman Aug 2016 #4
Bullshit. NT Ilsa Aug 2016 #5
Eff Them! smirkymonkey Aug 2016 #6
Somewhere, Queen Elizabeth I is laughing in her grave shenmue Aug 2016 #7
has everyone read the GOP platform? Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #8
A long, long effort LWolf Aug 2016 #10
A mark of GOOD judgement. nt Codeine Aug 2016 #11

procon

(15,805 posts)
2. Good thing this is 2016 and we are a secular nation, so we can point and snicker
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:42 PM
Aug 2016

at these ancient Bronze Age superstitions... just to be safe, buckle on the shiny new stainless steel colander that you bought for that Festivus party.

Warpy

(111,305 posts)
3. "Oh, when did you convert to Judaism and where did you find an Orthodox Rabbi
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:52 PM
Aug 2016

willing to let you join his congregation?

These rabbity little men are so terrified of women it would be funny if they hadn't managed to take over one of the two main political parties. Shoot, even Trump, who worships Trump, had to pay lip service about accepting Jebus into his flinty little heart.

superpatriotman

(6,251 posts)
4. So the U.S. is Zion?
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 04:59 PM
Aug 2016

I can't keep track of all these death cult metaphors.

"Moreover the Lord saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet..."

Haughty women. Nice.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
10. A long, long effort
Thu Aug 4, 2016, 07:51 PM
Aug 2016

to exclude women from positions of power include excluding us from the Bible and related documents.

Exodus 15:24: Miriam, the daughter of Aaron was a prophet and one of the triad of leaders of Israel during the Exodus from Egypt.

Judges 4 & 5: Deborah, a prophet-judge, headed the army of ancient Israel.

2 Kings 22:14; 2 Chronicles 34:22 Huldah, a prophet, verified the authenticity of the "Book of the Law of the Lord given through Moses" - the Book of Deuteronomy. She triggered a religious renewal.


Romans 16 : Paul refers to a male apostle, Andronicus, and a female apostle, Junia, as "outstanding among the apostles" (NIV) Every Greek and Latin church Father until Giles of Rome (circa 1000 CE) acknowledged that Junia was a woman. 2,3 After that time, various writers and translators of the Bible resorted to various deceptions in order to suppress her gender. For example:

The Amplified Bible translates this passage as "They are men held in high esteem among the apostles" The Revised Standard Version shows it as "they are men of note among the apostles". The reference to them both being men does not appear in the original Greek text. The word "men" was simply inserted by the translators, apparently because the translators' minds recoiled from the concept of a female apostle.

Many translations, including the Amplified Bible, Rheims New Testament, New American Standard Bible, and the New International Version simply picked the letter "s" out of thin air, and converted the original "Junia" (a woman's name) into "Junias" (a male form of "Junia&quot . Again, it was probably inconceivable to the translators that Paul would recognize a woman as an apostle. Incidentally, there are no Junias' mentioned in ancient literature and inscriptions; it was apparently an unkown and unused name.


The Christian Gnostic tradition represented one of the three main forms of early Christianity - the others being Jewish Christianity and Pauline Christianity. Gnostic texts show that women held senior roles as teachers, prophets and missionaries. They conducted rituals such as baptism and the Eucharist. They performed exorcisms. 4

The Gospel of Philip, was widely used among early Christian congregations. It portrayed Mary Magdalene as the companion of Jesus, in a position of very high authority within the early Christian movement.

The Gospel of Mary described Mary Magdalene as a leader of Jesus' disciples. She delivering a passionate sermon to the disciples after his resurrection. This raised their spirits and inspired them to start evangelizing the known world.

Philoumene, a woman, headed a Christian theological school in Rome during the second century CE. 5


http://www.religioustolerance.org/femclrg5.htm
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