So, Margot Kidder is an idiot

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

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http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/29/my-fellow-americans-we-are-fools/

And there you all are tonight, glued to your TVs and your computers, your hearts swelled with pride because you belong to the strongest country on Earth, cheering on your Murderer President. Ignorant of the entire world’s repulsion. You kill and you kill and you kill, and still you remain proud.

[vi5]

1. She has always struggled with mental illness...

..not hyperbole or political name calling. She has a long history of diagnosed mental illness.

[lapucelle]

9. Counterpunch shouldn't exploit her for clicks.

[rjsquirrel]

12. What else would be new from them?

Lol

[Act_of_Reparation]

24. If there's one thing I can't stand about the mentally ill...

...it's all the editorials they write.

[msanthrope]

25. Calling a mother who has lost her son "inane" is not what one expects from a sane,

rational OP Ed writer.

[oberliner]

57. She didn't do that

She called her story inane.

And she is a sane and rational person who has been fighting for progressive causes for years.

[msanthrope]

74. What she wrote is not indicative of a sane or rational person with a great deal of judgment.

Then again, orthomolecular medicine, which she is a proponent of, is not scientifically supported.

[clarice]

60. this^.nt

[Act_of_Reparation]

72. I just checked my copy of the DSM.

"Asshole" doesn't appear to be a diagnosable mental illness, though I'll concede my copy is outdated.

[vi5]

51. I'm not sure what your point is?

Are you saying she hasn't struggled with that particular affliction in the past?

Are you saying it shouldn't matter her mental state if she's writing an editorial?

My personal issue was referring to someone as a "nut" especially when they have had high profile issues in that area.

[Act_of_Reparation]

73. You are attributing the unpalatable things she's written to mental illness.

Have you considered the possibility that she's just an asshole? And maybe assholes write asshole things?

Millions of neurotypical people are assholes every fucking day.

[vi5]

84. No, that's not what I was saying.....

It was that the OP used the term "nuts" to describe someone who has struggled with mental illness.

I fully agree that if someone is an asshole they are an asshole and that if they are in treatment and still feel compelled to write that stuff then fine they are fair game to be called an asshole.

It was the OP's use of the term "nuts" that I took issue with, not that the article itself was bad.

[Act_of_Reparation]

85. Sorry, I misunderstood.

My bad.

[DURHAM D]

2. I am just going to look the other way on this one. nt

[VMA131Marine]

3. Literally, she is quite insane...

[TeamPooka]

4. Kidder is legit crazy so let's leave her alone. No one listens to her. nt

[kestrel91316]

5. She's calling Obama a murderer? Then she needs to call every President

of the US right on back to Washington murderers because they all took actions that resulted in people dying.

I suppose she was in such bad shape back during Dubya's administration that she failed to notice what HE got up to.

She needs to get back on her meds.

[Thor_MN]

20. Problem is, she believes in "orthomolecular" medicine...

her meds are mega doses of vitamins and supplements...

[Ilsa]

59. So she's off her meds. A good friend or family

Member should encourage her to stay off social media before she says something she can't take back. There are plenty of other crazy folk out there too, and I wouldn't want to see her get hurt.

[Motley13]

55. She called it Obama's war

[yeoman6987]

6. I don't know why everyone thinks Hollywood is 100 percent progressive

It's not they have all walks of life just like the general public.

[Wounded Bear]

10. Hollywood stars are kind of like pro-athletes...

wealthy people tend to be conservative and lean Republican. When someone makes shitloads of money, it's really tempting to support Repubs who will fight to defend your extreme wealth.

Yes, there are notable exceptions, but by and large, it's kind of logical for them to support R's on economic grounds. Unfortunately, they fail to realize how bad the bad side of them can go.

[JaneyVee]

22. I work in the industry. Hollywood is like 90% liberals.

[oberliner]

28. She is the State Coordinator for the Progressive Democrats of America in Montana

For what that is worth.

[CBGLuthier]

31. You should read the article. She isn't conservative. She just condemns America's bloodlust.

Her values are very very very fucking progressive but America will never progress that far.

[lapucelle]

7. I'm always amused when people proclaim they are speaking for the world.

Margot Kidder speaks for the ENTIRE WORLD?

[Siwsan]

8. She does have some serious mental health issues

I remember when I was in Glendale, CA visiting family and she went missing, for a few days. They found her hiding in the bushes, completely disheveled, and she had hacked off her hear with a razor blade. She was in a complete paranoid breakdown, and they think she had been living in the bushes, for a couple of days.

Apparently she is now advocating for "alternative" treatments for mental health disorders because she said the conventional treatments did her no good. Apparently, neither are the alternatives.

[demmiblue]

11. Article aside, I am really shocked at how some here are referring to her mental illness. n/t

[Orrex]

13. ^That

Her struggles are well known and have been going on for decades. The last thing she needs is a bunch of Progressives lining up to make sport of her illness.

[hlthe2b]

14. I don't think it is being done so in a derisive way, but perhaps to explain why this may be

an inexcusable exploitation by that media outlet.

[oberliner]

29. I completely agree with you

Absolutely ignorant and insulting.

She hasn’t had a manic episode since 1996 and has become a spokesperson for mental wellness.

I admire the way she has gotten her life and career back on track in the face of the many challenges she has had to deal with.

[okieinpain]

80. +1 n/t.

[madville]

15. She was probably set off

By the recent U.S.-led bombing of civilians in Syria, understandable reaction. It's not possible to effectively take out enemies that surround themselves with non-combatants without some collateral damage.

[etherealtruth]

16. This is a woman that truly has struggled with terrible mental illness n/t

[Rex]

17. Sadly she does really suffer from mental illness.

I feel sorry for her if she feels that way, life must be hell each day.

[oberliner]

30. She is actually doing very well

She hasn’t had a manic episode since 1996 and has become a spokesperson for mental wellness.

She is very actively politically and supports progressive causes.

She held a fundraiser for Bernie last year.

[Rex]

61. I am glad to hear that, I just wish she did not feel that way toward our candidate.

[oberliner]

64. Agreed

She sounds like she is going for Jill Stein, unfortunately.

[spanone]

18. fuck off margot.

[EL34x4]

21. How compassionate

Do you also tell people on crutches to hurry up when they're in your way? "Get a move on, Gimpy, I've got places to be!"

[giftedgirl77]

68. Lol, we can't tell mentally ill ppl to fuck off now?

[eShirl]

75. lol, people can't respond to stupid comments now?

[giftedgirl77]

77. Who are you the mad hatter?

[msanthrope]

19. Poor thing. She's had a rough struggle. nt

[oberliner]

23. Kidder hosted a fund-raiser for Bernie Sanders last year

She was arrested at a 2011 protest against the extension of the controversial Keystone Pipeline.

Currently, she is the State Coordinator for the Progressive Democrats of America in Montana.

[msanthrope]

26. And her OP Ed is unhinged. Sorry.....but I read it and am.shocked. nt

[oberliner]

27. Be that as it may, she is doing very well

She takes medication for her bipolar condition and works regularly in film and television, overcoming the challenge of finding roles for women her age to work fairly consistently.

She has also been very politically active in the name of progressive causes over the last ten years or more, and she is a spokesperson for mental wellness.

I admire how she has dealt with her mental illness and am disgusted with those who call her names or otherwise demean her (unrelated to the content of this OP).

[msanthrope]

32. Calling a mother who has lost her son "inane" is not what one expects from

someone who is doing "well."

I don't blame Kidder....I question the judgment of an editorial staff who would use her so.

[oberliner]

35. She did not do that

She called the story inane.

And she is doing well in terms of her mental health issues, which I assume you don't actually know very much about.

[msanthrope]

54. You can parse what she wrote, but it's inappropriate and over the top. I feel pity for her. nt

[Rex]

66. Same here.

No matter how you slice it, what she wrote was not appropriate in any way.

[steve2470]

33. I think we can all vigorously disagree with Ms. Kidder and leave her mental illness out of this....

Mentally ill people, treated or untreated, have the right to objectionable opinions like the rest of us. Plenty of "sane people" have horrible opinions, like Trump for example. Of course, many would find describing Trump as sane debatable.

[oberliner]

36. She has overcome her mental illness

Her story is actually quite inspiring for those who deal with serious mental health challenges.

[steve2470]

37. yes, totally agree nt

[Attorney in Texas]

34. Her editorial was a sincere anti-war opinion. Can you really be that dismissive of her views? If you

must call out celebrity nutjobs, let's start with the tools who support Trump:

Kirstie Alley, actress, comedian and spokesmodel
Scott Baio, actor
Stephen Baldwin, actor
Gary Busey, actor
Dean Cain, actor, producer, writer, director, and television show host
Adam Carolla, comedian, radio personality, television host, actor, podcaster, and director
Stacey Dash, actress
Robert Davi, actor, singer, writer, and director
Joe Eszterhas, screenwriter
Lou Ferrigno, actor and retired professional bodybuilder
Jerry Lewis, comedian, actor, singer, producer, screenwriter, and director
Amy Lindsay, actress and former softcore pornographic film performer
Brandi Love, adult model and pornographic actress
Chuck Norris, actor and martial artist
Randy Quaid, actor
John Ratzenberger, actor, voice actor, and entrepreneur
Antonio Sabàto Jr., actor and model
Lindsey Shaw, actress
Kevin Sorbo, actor and libertarian
Jean-Claude Van Damme, Belgian actor, martial artist, screenwriter, film producer, and director
Jon Voight, actor
Fred Williamson, American actor and former football player
Azealia Banks, rapper and singer-songwriter
Zoltan Bathory, guitarist of Five Finger Death Punch
Sean Combs, rapper, record producer, actor, entrepreneur and founder of Bad Boy Records
Jesse Hughes, singer, songwriter and guitarist, best known as frontman of the Eagles of Death Metal
Loretta Lynn, country music singer-songwriter
Justin Moore, singer and songwriter
Wayne Newton, entertainer and singer
Ted Nugent, musician, singer, songwriter, and political activist
Kid Rock, singer, rapper, songwriter, musician, record producer, and actor
Kenny Rogers, singer, songwriter, record producer, and member of the Country Music Hall of Fame
Gene Simmons, musician, KISS
Sergey "Pauk" Troitsky, leader of Russian thrash metal band Corrosia Metalla
White Dawg, Dirty South Crunk rapper
Young Dro, hip hop recording artist
Rocky Boiman, former NFL linebacker, talk radio host
Tom Brady, NFL quarterback
George Brett, retired Hall of Fame Major League Baseball baseman and hitter
Adrien Broner, professional boxer
Clay Buchholz, MLB pitcher
Zeb Colter, professional wrestling manager
John Daly, professional golfer
Johnny Damon, retired MLB player
Ted DiBiase, former professional wrestler
Mike Ditka, retired NFL player, coach and television commentator
Vince Dooley, retired Hall of Fame Georgia Bulldogs football coach
Bill Elliott, retired NASCAR driver
Chase Elliott, NASCAR driver
Natalie Gulbis, professional golfer on the U.S.-based LPGA Tour
Hulk Hogan, professional wrestler, actor, television personality, and entrepreneur
Holly Holm, mixed martial artist
Lou Holtz, Hall of Fame college football coach
Richie Incognito, NFL player
Caitlyn Jenner, former Olympic gold medalist and transgender activist
Woody Johnson, owner of the New York Jets
Gene Keady, college basketball coach
Don King, boxing promoter
Bob Knight, Hall of Fame college basketball coach
Jerry Lawler, professional wrestler
Mike Leach, Washington State Cougars football coach
Matt Light, retired NFL offensive tackle
Nick Mangold, All-Pro NFL center for the New York Jets
Mark Martin, retired NASCAR driver
Shawne Merriman, retired NFL linebacker
Ryan Newman, NASCAR driver
Jack Nicklaus, Hall of Fame golfer
Paul O'Neill, retired MLB baseball player
Tito Ortiz, former UFC light-heavyweight champion
Terrell Owens, retired NFL wide receiver and television personality
Billy Packer, former college basketball player and color analyst
Digger Phelps, former college basketball coach
David Ragan, NASCAR driver
John Rocker, retired MLB baseball player
Dennis Rodman, retired professional basketball player and television personality
Rex Ryan, NFL head coach for the Buffalo Bills, also former head coach for the New York Jets
Curt Schilling, retired Major League Baseball pitcher
Mike Shanahan, NFL football coach
Chael Sonnen, retired UFC fighter, ESPN commentator and actor
Latrell Sprewell, retired NBA All-Star basketball player
Miesha Tate, former UFC women's bantamweight champion
Mike Tyson, former professional boxer, actor
Kevin Von Erich, former professional wrestler
Herschel Walker, retired NFL player and MMA fighter
Chris Weidman, former UFC middleweight champion

[oberliner]

38. Kidder began to feel the Bern about a year ago.

Kidder began to feel the Bern about a year ago. Deeply concerned about climate change, she heard Sanders speak on the subject. "I thought, wow, he's right on the money," Kidder said in an interview. "I've been panic-stricken about this for my grandchildren's sake, just worried sick. And here he was saying our campaign finance rules are so bad that the fossil-fuel corporations and the banks that invest in them can basically call the shots.

"The more I listened, the more I thought, the sane thing about this man is that all of his stands on the issues logically connect with each other," she says. "He sees rightly that being a good environmental steward is good economics. He sees correctly the need for campaign-finance reform, that our middle class is disappearing, that we need better health care, that we have a non-livable minimum wage."

http://cqrcengage.com/amda/app/document/13570211;jsessionid=ovt96gmk5yqra15bc485wm9s

She was a strong Bernie supporter and advocate throughout the primary.

[Attorney in Texas]

40. I don't know anything about talks concerning her mental health, but how can anyone be so infuriated

that she is passionate about peace and opposition to war?

Maybe we don't agree with her, but it's not as if she's passionate about racial or religious prejudice as so many of the creepy celebrities who support Trump.

If we are not tolerant of the views to our left, how can we act surprised when others to the center of us are intolerant of our beliefs?

[SticksnStones]

46. Because it proceeds with some underlying notion that...

...America is the reason there are wars. And if we were to stop fighting then wars would end.

And that is just staggeringly naive.

[Attorney in Texas]

48. So we are now beating up on conscientious objectors on grounds that they are too naive?

[SticksnStones]

49. No, not beating up on the objector per se

But challenging the line of thought that the real target of the problem with war is the evil Americans and their aggressive bloodlust. If only America would stop..everyone else will cease fire as well.

That concept, yes, I'll argue, is naive.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

42. Wow. That list is like a who's who of assholes in sports and entertainment

[REP]

47. Thought the exact same thing as I was reading the list.

[LenaBaby61]

39. So, Margot Kidder....

[HassleCat]

41. I agree with her.

Maybe MAYBE even the murderer president bisiness. Our president, our military, the CIA, etc. are acting on our behalf. They do what we tell them to do. Those drone strikes do not belong only to the president, but to us all, even to Margot Kidder.

[NeoConsSuck]

58. And I agree with you!

Well said!

[book_worm]

43. She's hoping after the election Trump will host Celebrity Apprentice again

and she can be (along with Baio) one of the D-Listers he will have on.

[deathrind]

44. Everyone is entitled...

...to their own opinion.

[reflection]

50. Ms. Kidder has a legitimate mental illness

That is well documented. She should be pitied, not scorned.

[oberliner]

56. She has successfully dealt with that illness

And does not need any pity.

[Rex]

62. Well then, you must be her spokesperson then?

[oberliner]

63. I admire her for her continued successful battle dealing with mental illness

And the work she has done in trying to combat the stigma attached.

[renie408]

52. Well, she got the word vomit part right.

She has problems. It isn't really fair to publish the stuff she says.

[happydaze]

53. As someone who is avidly anti-war, the article , while possibly

"over the top" in calling the President a murderer??? I agree with the sentiment of her feelings regarding the 4th day at the DNC convention. It was overly "rah, rah" military. And it's coming from a "viewpoint" of a person who wasn't originally an American citizen.

I can imagine if you are a family in a drone bombing path, you would call Americans evil and our President a murderer. It has really bothered me how the Dem party has tried to grab the "moral authority" on military exceprionalism.

Big picture: if we had spent the money we have on the ME wars to build bridges in the ME and educational access (especially for girls and women), there would be less "fighters" blaming and wanting to kill western people. (When a mother is more educated, they are less likely to give blessing for their sons to fight). At the same time, we take on changing our power structure like we were working on going to the moon via renewable energies so that we were saving the planet and securing our energy needs, rather than rely on oil from incredibly unstable world regions.

It bothers me a great deal and makes me feel sick to see that sort of display of nationalism and military jingoism! Read the whole article. Maybe it's a bit over the top, but so isn't bombing innocent children just because they live in another country and have brown skin.

[okieinpain]

81. +1 n/t.

[Vattel]

65. The truth

is somewhere between her picture of US militarism and the rosy picture of the average American.

[Odin2005]

67. Hate-America-Firsters suck.

[harrose]

69. Of course she's a nut...

... if she's a "top notch reporter" who is fooled by a pair of glasses into not seeing that Clark Kent and Superman are the same person, she's clearly not too bright.

[Stinky The Clown]

70. This woman has battled severe mental illness for a long time.

Lots of posters here having fun at her expense. I won't. She is unwell.

[NobodyHere]

71. Make sure you don't invite her to dinner

But in all truthiness her words would've applauded here during the Bush years.

[anoNY42]

76. I'm not so sure I disagree with Margot here

Plenty of us have criticized the illegal drone assassination programs our country has instituted. I agree that the President has blood on his hands because of this (and yes, I think other Presidents do as well).

That said, in general President Obama has had a positive impact on the world, I think. I would not have awarded him a Nobel Peace Prize, though.

[mythology]

78. She is mind-numbingly stupid

Most people grow out of the naive world view that if the U.S. would just bake the world cookies that everything would be great. Go ask the Tutsi people how us not using military intervention helped them.

The U.S. military for whatever it's faults, is the the most restrained super power in history and by a wide margin. Pretending that it's just kill, kill, kill, is incredibly ignorant.

But hey, at least she admits she is beyond reason. Granted I'm not sure why anybody else would think that makes this "article" worthy of anything other than a snort of derision, but hey admitting that she isn't rational is a good first step.

[anoNY42]

83. Then what is Libya?

[okieinpain]

79. Well to be honest all of what she said

Is true.

[CanSocDem]

82. Somebody has a mental health problem...

...but I don't think it is me or Margot. She's is just saying the things we're all thinking but are too frightened to say out loud for fear of getting shot.

"...the children bombed to bits in Afghanistan and Pakistan from Obama’s drones, the grisly chaos of Libya, the utter wasteland of Iraq, the death and destruction everywhere caused by American military intervention. The Ukraine, Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, Chile, you name it — your country has bombed it or destroyed its civilian life in some basic way."



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[Iggo]

86. I think we quit crazy-shaming Margot Kidder way back in the 80s.

[The Second Stone]

87. Long history of severe mental illness

so that's kind of a given. A relapse is triggered every time she has to watch Superman flying with Lois Lane while Lois Lane recites poetry in her head.