My 86 year old mother getting angry...........

[mrmpa]

with those Bernie supporters who won't support Clinton. Mom said she saw 2 girls interviewed last night who both said they would absolutely not vote for Hillary. Mom said she "wanted to punch them out."

Do not draw the wrath of my mother.

[katmondoo]

1. I am 86 and I am with your Mom

[NightWatcher]

2. Does your mom need a lift to Philly?

[mrmpa]

9. We're in western PA now..when we lived in Philly she got arrested........

well a summary offense. It was 1960 she was mixing her garbage with the trash. Trash collectors turned her in. She took all 4 of us kids with her to court, tried to explain to the judge she didn't know that she was supposed to. He fined her anyway.

So, I'm not sure that Philly brings back memorable experiences. Other than it was the birthplace of my Dad.

[maxsolomon]

26. what is the difference between garbage and trash?

I'm not sure I understand...

[demosincebirth]

30. Trash, I believe, is recyclable

[mrmpa]

31. Okay from what I've learned from the lecture......

the judge gave my mom: Trash is your dry stuff, paper, cans, plastic (this was pre-recycle time) & garbage is your food stuff, chicken wings, coffee grinds, bread, etc.

When we moved from Philly, mom continued to separate, even though she didn't have to.

[maxsolomon]

33. ah, ok

we never had that distinction in Cincinnati. it was all the same.

now, in Seattle, "garbage" goes in with the yard waste. trash gets sorted into recyclables.

[demosincebirth]

27. I'm 78 and those two young ladies do not use their bains, if they have one, to really figure

out how their votes might change the course of this country from a stable democracy into downward spiral into the laughing stock of of the free world. And maybe many of third workd countries.This is just the mild aspect if he get elected I guess their brains are not yet fully developed
.

[tonyt53]

3. My mom would have been 86 today, and she would have done some punching too.

[LongtimeAZDem]

4. I'd pay $27 to see that (nt)

[pandr32]

5. Women like your mother have seen a lot in their lives

Unlike those silly, irresponsible girls.

[grossproffit]

6. Love your mom! #ImWithHer too!

[davidn3600]

7. So punch people who vote in a way you don't agree with

That's a nice form of democracy.

[mrmpa]

10. No it's what she would say......

to her grandkids, if you want an interpretation it is "knock/talk some sense into them."

[procon]

13. Attending the Democratic nominating convention and not supporting our nominee

is NOT a very good way to support our idea of a democracy vs Trumps, yeah?

[davidn3600]

18. You know....that's sad its come to that

Politics in this nation has gotten to a point where we can't even allow discussion and the free expression of ideas at a POLITICAL CONVENTION? Is it really all just now a carefully scripted show? Why bother have them then? Is there a point to a convention? It's a waste of money. If the nominee is King (or Queen) over the party, then there is no point of having these roll call votes and all this other stuff since dissenting opinions are not allowed. It's a waste of time and money.

The speeches can all be me made on social media or on the campaign trail. So what is the point of all this theater? It's ceremonial.

Thank god football season will start soon. I think a lot of people need an escape.

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

23. How is shouting down someone and trying to silencing them

How is shouting down someone and trying to silence them freedom of expression?

That's a question I have for these alleged "Bernie or Bust" miscreants.

And fwiw, they make me embarrassed to have been a Bernie supporter back in the primaries. Judging by the posts around here, I'm not alone in my feelings.

[davidn3600]

24. The posts around here are highly moderated

Go elsewhere and you will find a lot more free expression and how people really feel.

[procon]

25. Its the Party's nominating convention, that's their only agenda.

Of course it's a staged event whose sole purpose is designed to showcase our nominee, and that's why the network news only offers minimal coverage of the event. Where did you ever get the notion that the DNC was hosting a wild, free for all, "POLITICAL CONVENTION" that allows the also-rans and outliers a public venue to air their lists of grievances against the party and the real Democrats attending their convention to laud Hillary Clinton as our nominee?

This is an astounding view.

[davidn3600]

35. Because that was their purpose back in the day

They are scripted shows now, but they didnt used to be.

Originally, the main purpose of political conventions was to nominate the party's candidate for president. In the 1800s, the movement in the United States was to place more political power directly in the hands of the citizens. Political conventions were one way of doing this: Previously, candidates were nominated in secret caucuses by members of Congress; candidates would now be chosen by delegates who were selected at the state or county level by the party members.

The democratization of presidential elections eventually took the nominating function away from the conventions. People wanted more direct control over their party's nominees, so the presidential primaries came into use (although some states still use caucuses). Party members vote in the primaries to choose whom they want to represent their party in the upcoming election. By the time of the convention, there is no suspense about who will be the nominee -- it has been known for months.

Political conventions serve other purposes beyond nominating the party candidate, which is why they're still around. The convention offers party members a chance to gather together and discuss the party's platform. The platform is the party's stance on the political issues of the day. For a long time, the convention was a place for political debate, and important decisions were made there. In 1860, the Democratic Party debated the government's right to outlaw slavery. When the party adopted the position that the Supreme Court could decide the slavery issue, delegates from several southern states walked out, resulting in the Southern Democratic Party. In 1980, Senator Edward Kennedy fought against incumbent Jimmy Carter's economic plan. Although Carter defeated Kennedy for the nomination, Kennedy's debate forced Carter to radically change his plan.

Today, even this function of the convention has been largely stripped away. The conventions have been streamlined, with important events and speeches scheduled for prime-time television hours. The parties work to eliminate any evidence of debate or disunity within the party. The political conventions have now been reduced to the status of infomercials, marketing the ideas and personalities of the party to the public. While the conventions serve to unify the party and generate party pride, the "advertisement for the party" has become the primary function of political conventions today.

http://people.howstuffworks.com/political-convention1.htm

[procon]

37. "In the 1800s..." Seriously? You're actually going to run with that? nt

[davidn3600]

44. My point is that they serve no real function today, and they are an insult more than anything else

Frankly, most of these speeches feel like they are an insult to my intelligence. I don't need to be literally YELLED AT and lectured about how I must think by a bunch of super rich power players and celebrities who pretend to understand what the working class is going through. None of this is intellectually stimulating to me. It's on the level of a boring reality show with everyone wearing designer clothes and make-up and where the end is already pre-determined by the producers.

I'd rather watch the Discovery channel, I'd learn more. Or watch sports and be better entertained. Or hell...read a book for once.

You wonder why people in this country are becoming more and more disenchanted with politics....this is why. It's all being controlled by a shrinking number of individuals who speak and pander to the people of this country as if we are all 5 years old. I'm tired of it.

Im not trying to tell you what to do. If you enjoy these things....by all means, watch them. All I ask is you respect my feelings on the matter. There are a lot of things that scare me about the future of this country. And Donald Trump is not the only thing that scares me.

[lapucelle]

29. Oh, c'mon.

That's not what this post is about.

[LanternWaste]

51. It's fun to pretend a visceral verbal reaction is the same thing we'd do when presented with the sit

It's fun to pretend a visceral verbal reaction is the same thing we'd do when presented with the situation. It's petulant (or a style of fundie literalism), but petulance can be fun, regardless of democracy.

[Saviolo]

8. Let's not focus on the ridiculous hold-outs

Let's focus on the anywhere between 80% and 90% of the Bernie supporters who have already pivoted to Hillary as per Pew research and PPP polling.

The media wants to create this environment of conflict, but let's work on unity!

[joeybee12]

15. Hard not to because the problem is the media focusing on those few...nt

[Saviolo]

16. That narrative attacts eyes and shifts units

It's money in the pocket of the news outlets. We have to fight the false narrative they're building with one of truth and unity.

[Dustlawyer]

28. Not to mention that Bernie has been very vocal about breaking up the big

Media outlets and how wrong they are on how they cover politics. Some of the coverage of the Bernie or Bust delagates is spite and some is to try and discredit the political revolution that is still coming. They wI'll not succeed!

I do not advocate actually hitting these people, but sitting them down and getting them to look at the long term would be better. At that age I would probably have let my passion get ahead of my brain as well. I just hope they don't get to disillusioned and give up, we need everyone on board to eventually prevail. As for the older ones, well you will always have some that can never see past the nose on their face.

[Saviolo]

32. My fervent hope

Is that this revolution will spawn a bunch of young progressives plugged in and turned on to politics who will start to get involved at the local level and start to filter up through the ranks. City counselors to mayors to governors to congresscritters to senators to the White House. This hard rush of enthusiasm is important to start even a small upswell of young, bright-eyed progressives that will eventually take over the political landscape and drag that Overton Window back to the left!

[Dustlawyer]

38. +1!!! Yes!!!

We do not have much time as Climate Change is upon us already and we risk starting the feedback loop of methane leaking out of thawed tundra (sounds crazy but all too true)!

Several former Bernie campaign staffers have formed a national campaign to raise money like a Presidential campaign to distribute to like minded individuals who want to run for House seats. We must swap out Republicans and any politician not willing to help enact campaign finance reform (Publicly Funded Elections) to end the corporate influence that is blocking our efforts to address Climate Change.

[Trust Buster]

11. Brings new meaning to the term "granny get your guns".....BLAH HA HA HA HA HA

[Il_Coniglietto]

12. Michelle got it exactly right last night.

And because of Hillary Clinton, my daughters and all of our sons and daughters now take for granted that a woman can be president of the United States.

I've seen this so many times. Older millennials like myself remember some of the (first) Clinton Administration and saw first hand how Hillary was treated. We are more likely to support her than younger millennials who only know what they've read/been told. For nearly 30 years now, Hillary has been THE lightning rod for those angry at women having the temerity to get involved in politics.

But she has always been with us and we are with her!

[joeybee12]

14. Hey Mom, take a number

KNR

[Staph]

17. Your mom, and my 92-year-old mom, too!

We're flipping between the CNN and MSNBC coverage, and she just commented that "those hardcore Bernie Sanders supporters are going to vote for Trump or someone else and lose the election for Hillary!" I told her not to believe everything the media says, that they want to show any kind of controversy. Thank heavens for all of you DUers, who help keep me informed and sane.

Mom really wants to see a woman President! She was born three years after women got the vote.

[mountain grammy]

19. They'll vote for Hillary..

there will be a tiny number of holdouts. 99.9% will vote for Hillary. I know this. My son said he wouldn't vote for Hillary. He'll vote for Hillary. Like your child having a tantrum, belittle them, punch them, or ignore them. One thing works.

[panader0]

22. Yup.

Way too much outrage over this.
I'm an example of a Bernie supporter who will vote for HRC to keep Trump out.

[AlbertCat]

42. Way too much outrage over this.

Yeah. You'd think they enjoy bashing Sanders' supporters and laughing at how they "have to" vote for Hillary.

But everyone really knows that, even if Trump and Clinton had never opened their mouths this summer, Clinton would still obviously be the best of the two.

[LWolf]

20. Then she joins

the many who have been angry for a very, very long time, except that much of that anger is focused on establishment Democrats. I don't think they've been going around saying that they wanted to "punch out" people who have sparked that anger, though.

My own 78 yo life-long Democratic mother? She cried when we had lunch together a few days ago. She doesn't understand 1. Why people are so hateful, because she simply isn't, and 2. Why people who claim to care turn their backs on Sanders.

FYI: At one time, my mother was a rabid Clinton supporter. No longer.

To clarify: the specific hate she was referring to at the time belongs to Trump and his supporters.

She kind of reminded me of the 63 yo Sanders delegate I watched sob heart-brokenly during an interview yesterday after listening to Sanders encourage his delegates to support Clinton.

Neither of them were contemplating violence. They were simply grieving.

[mrmpa]

45. FYI:.........

both mom & I voted for Bernie in the PA primary.

[LWolf]

49. As did my mom and I.

She, a lifelong Democrat, won't even watch the convention. She's calling me to ask about it, and I can't say much, because I'm only watching a few minutes at a time, which is about all I can take.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

21. Are they talking about the vote on the floor or the actual election?

The media is doing all they can to confuse the two.

[Doodley]

34. These people who would rather an authoritarian racist win are not Democrats anyway.

[AlbertCat]

43. These people who would rather an authoritarian racist win

Who would that be?

Do you think these people would rather have Trump win?

That's not what they said at all.

[Doodley]

46. If they badmouth the Democratic candidate and vote elsewhere, they are choosing to help Trump.

[nolabear]

36. Women who were on the front lines know what Democrats have given to those kids.

And what it was like when we had NO rights. Good for the moms who fought for our kids and ourselves. All of us, 80s and 60s and 40s.

[whistler162]

39. Duck abnd cover folks!!!

[Moonwalk]

40. I got angry, too, but I hope you told your mom (will tell her) that Bernie supporters got angry...

...too at these "or bust" people, also. And Bernie certainly took them to task this morning. So, I think we should stop calling them "Bernie" supporters. They clearly are NOT supporting him any longer. Especially as it hurts HIM if Hilary is not elected, because he'll be a senator in a congress dealing with Trump in the Executive branch. That means anything they push through, any bill of Bernies, will get vetoed.

Hillary is far less likely to veto a bill that is "left" of her, and absolutely will work with Bernie, Warren and others—she must, she needs them to stay in office.

These "Busters" are getting their fifteen minutes and relishing it. Never again will they have such a platform, and their face and words so widely spread. THIS is what they're after, not getting Bernie elected or forwarding his agenda. But they're clearly not so bright, and not on Bernie's side. When this is all over, they will be as well.

Luckily, it seems like the DNC and everyone involved, is doing just fine in spite of them.

[rury]

41. These young ladies

Have every right to vote their consciences.
Go ahead...hide this.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

47. yes, and we have a right to say that if your conscience allows you to get a fascist elected

you are bathing in white privilege twice daily

[rury]

48. I'm black...so FAIL!

But you have every right to make that statement about white privilege...as ridiculous as it is!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

50. Those young ladies were white

That's the white privilege I was talking about r

[DianaForRussFeingold]

52. Awful! This kind of talk is why people are changing their affiliation!

People have a right to free speech--without fear!
If this keeps up--This party will no longer represent 'We The People'. I could cry!!!