Question? Is it acceptable...

[sheshe2]

to see the entire DNC being compared to the GOP and the entire DNC being called corrupt. Is that broad brush acceptable to you? You want to call out DWS, go for it if you must. Yet you condemn every member of the DNC corrupt with out a shred of evidence that the ENTIRE group is guilty is wrong.

Me, I call these types of OPs that condemn an entire group of Democrats, Dem. bashing.

The blanket call out on every member of the DNC has been tarred feathered and sentenced. Guilty as charged. I am very uncomfortable with this. Are you?

[HERVEPA]

1. No

[awake]

2. well they do say when a fish starts to smell it begins at the head

The leader of most organizations sets the tone and unfortunately DWS allowed the DNC get out of hand. I do believe with the new leadership we will see good changes.

[MichiganVote]

5. You don't have facts to support that. You do have facts to support

that the Sanders delegates at the convention were completely and totally out of control, were disrespectful and did not demonstrate the level of political professionalism required for political leadership.

Now shall we go on with this dance or drop it since people are really feeling empowered after all these great speeches?

[sheshe2]

6. I am so surprised at your remark.

[sheshe2]

7. So....

According to you they are all guilty as charged? No trial no proof. Guilty! Bashing Democrats is frowned on here. Yet you continue.

[awake]

28. No they are not all guilty

An impartial investigation will need to be done to weed out those who are gulity. What I was saying is the head of a organization is where the buck stops and the head needs to take responsibility for setting the standard.

[Rex]

9. The GOP is in freefall, the DNC is moving full steam ahead.

Comparing the two is laughable, the media once again pretends both are equivalent. Like coke vs pepsi.

[LongtimeAZDem]

27. Sanders arguably allowed his supporters to get out of hand; does you comment hold for him? (nt)

[awake]

29. Bernie has set the right example

I would hope that the rest of his supporters would fallow his lead (Like I have). The differance is that employees of the DNC can be fired. Bernie can not fire the Bernie supporters who are attending the convention because they were elected from their state partys. Unfortunately some and I hope not most working for the DNC did not behave correctly and it is clear that for the good of the future of the DNC the gulity one need to found and let go.

[LongtimeAZDem]

31. Whether they can be fired or not, you said "the fish starts to smell from the head"

Apparently, that is only for groups you don't like.

[awake]

32. Correct if the fish does not smell then I may like it

Please note DWS was the head of the DNC not Hillary whom I now am backing. Also note the number of previous DNC heads who felt that DWS messed up and harmed the party.

[LongtimeAZDem]

33. And Sanders is the head of his campaign; you're tap-dancing (nt)

[awake]

34. We are talking about the DNC and how some people working there acted inappropriately

I am not talking about the action of any of the candidates both of which are on the same page now working together to defeat Trump and help Hillary win this fall. The people who while they may have thought they were helping Hillary were in actuality hurting her and our party. Any one at the DNC who tried to tip the balance in favour of any candidate be it Hillary, Bernie or someone else needs to be removed from the DNC.

[LongtimeAZDem]

35. You made a disparaging statement about responsibility, and are trying to wiggle out of it (nt)

[awake]

37. The people that I have been "disparaging" are those responsible at the DNC who...

.... acted counter to the bylaws of the DNC and tried to tip the scales one way or another. I believe that those who misbehaved need to leave the DNC. If you feel it is ok to have members of the DNC who broke the bylaws stay then we have different view of ethical actions

[radical noodle]

3. It is not acceptable to me n/t

[comradebillyboy]

4. The Democrstic party does not need Stalinist purity tests...

it doesn't need purity purges either.

[Rex]

8. Well I know people like Chuck Toad want to make the parties the same.

But most people wouldn't compare the DNC to the GOP. One is a poltical group and the other is some kind of freaky group of outcasts. Sadly the mainstream media likes the radical group.

People bashed HRC, Bernie and every one in between the two. So now I get mad? After all the crap from 6 months?

Nope I am happy. Things seem to be going well for the DNC, whereas the entire GOP machine is falling apart.

Poor them. Even the media cannot save them.

[sheshe2]

11. I read all of it on DU.

Numerous times.

[Rex]

12. Yeah me to for years and years actually.

Since day one here.

[sheshe2]

14. Sad~

[Rex]

15. Yeah it is really.

I called for an end to divisive threads, nobody seemed to care.

[panader0]

10. Are all of the individual members guilty? No.

But the organization as a whole is.

[sheshe2]

13. Then why is the entire group being called corrupt?

[Exilednight]

19. If you see some being murdered and then don't open your

Mouth to help out the murderer in jail, then you're just as guilty.

[Orrex]

22. That's sort of 100% untrue.

I'm guessing that you meant "to help put the murder in jail" rather than "to help out the murder in jail," but either way you're not "just as guilty" as the murderer.

[Exilednight]

24. Yes, that's what I meant.

So here's my question: If you know someone committed a violent crime and stay quiet about it, why aren't you just as guilty? A good DA could put you in jail for the same amount of time as the perpetrator.

One of my biggest complaints about police is that they refuse to open their mouths when a fellow officer does something wrong.

[Captain Stern]

25. Why aren't you just as guilty as the offender, if you don't report their crime?

Probably, because in most cases, people aren't under any legal obligation to report crimes.

[Orrex]

26. Several different issues there

If you know someone committed a violent crime and stay quiet about it, why aren't you just as guilty?

That's a fairly simple legal question, and here's a nice summary of the answer.

A good DA could put you in jail for the same amount of time as the perpetrator.

No, that's false. Legally you won't be "just as guilty" as the murderer, and though you might be charged with a misdemeanor in certain states, you sure as hell won't serve the same amount of time as the murderer.

And that's for violent crimes. In the current situation with the DNC, in which no crime was committed, it's not clear that your analogy is even vaguely applicable.

One of my biggest complaints about police is that they refuse to open their mouths when a fellow officer does something wrong.

I agree, and one would hope to hold cops to a higher standard than the average civilian, but is that a legal requirement? I can't find any statute to that effect, so I would appreciate it if you can provide one.

[ZombieHorde]

16. Depends on my mood.

In my "better" moments, when I read/hear something like that, I ask myself, and them if convenient, what they mean. I try to think past the labels and just think about what those words mean to them. Perhaps they are pacifists and are appalled by the violence of both parties. My current values would respect that. Perhaps they hate taxes and are appalled that neither party wants to abolish all taxes. My current values don't respect that. I don't think a large percentage of us are one-issue voters, but many have lines they won't cross.

[avaistheone1]

17. There is plenty of evidence the DNC was not playing by the rules.

It does not appear that it was just one single person.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028047987

[Scuba]

18. Is it acceptable to smear all Bernie supporters because some are out of line?

Politics is messy stuff. I'm not into guilt by association, but according to Snopes ...

Unquestionably, the e-mails demonstrated that the DNC operated as an arm of the Hillary Clinton campaign, planting information in the media to flatter Clinton and damage opponent Bernie Sanders. The revelations were particularly damaging because the DNC was obligated to behave neutrally, and had repeatedly denied the demonstrated favor toward Clinton existed.

...

While it’s impossible to know whether systemic pro-Hillary Clinton bias at the DNC was decisive in the 2016 Democratic primary race, we now know beyond any doubt that such a bias not only existed, but was endemic and widespread. DNC officials worked to plant pro-Clinton stories, floated the idea of using Sanders’ secular Judaism against him in the South, and routinely ran PR spin for Clinton, even as the DNC claimed over and over it was neutral in the primary.

http://www.snopes.com/2016/07/25/what-we-know-so-far-about-wikileaks-dncleaks/


emphasis mine

[sheshe2]

21. Ya............

You are dropping this gem all over the board. As another poster pointed out to you the author is Kim LaCapria who retweets Glen Greenwald. Great source Scuba.

[RobinA]

20. What Amazes Me

is that anyone thought for a minute that this sort of thing DOESN'T go on in the national committees. They are partisan organizations, and yeah they have some rules, but rules they made up themselves and can break whenever they want. They are an arm of the political establishment. Anybody who thought any _NC was nonpartisan and would not advantage the establishment candidate needs a trip to planet earth.

If people wouldn't get so worked up over every chair throwing (or alleged chair throwing) in Vegas, believing every bit of nonsense that comes across a wire, this really wouldn't even be an issue. Pols will be pols.

A ridiculous sideshow in my opinion.

[Avalux]

23. Yes, the same way I'm uncomfortable about blanket statements re: Bernie supporters.

Skinner's post is spot on, and I hope everyone here reads it and understands not to throw the baby out with the bath water.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. Yes. In the same way that the RNC or Enron is corrupt.

Does that mean that all the members of the DNC/RNC/Enron are corrupt? Obviously not.

Does it mean that the institution is corrupt in the eyes of the beholder. Yes.

[LanternWaste]

36. At its best, the blanket condemnations illustrate a dramatic lack of critical thought

At its best, the blanket condemnations illustrate a dramatic lack of critical thought brought to us by those whose greatest wisdoms are found on bumper-stickers.

[Squinch]

38. I still haven't gotten anyone to show me a single email that was damaging to Bernie.

I've been asking for days. Everyone has heard that they are just monstrous. But no one actually can come up with one bad email other than the really creepy two talking about Bernie's religion after he had already lost.

I'm not convinced that anything happened that would earn anyone, other than the two assholes who exchanged those two emails, the description "corrupt."

[Blue_Tires]

39. Oh, there's a VERY specific and documented pattern from certain posters

I'm not allowed to name names, of course

[sheshe2]

40. Sadly I know, Blue_Tires. nt