Unnecessary, Bernie supporters, with the disruption! Damn! Flame me and I don't care!

[mfcorey1]

They have just helped Donald Trump to win.

[apcalc]

1. Yep unnecessary

Thanks for helping Trump .

[wallyworld2]

64. One debbie

thousands of delegates

the problem is not the thousands delegates who despise her tactics

the problem is the one disgraced chair who will not go quietly into the darkness.

as daily kos says, Debbie plans to 'Debbie Wasserman Schultz plans to open the Democratic convention by being booed off stage'

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz is stepping down as Democratic National Committee chair to widespread celebration, but she doesn’t seem to be planning an out of sight/out of mind strategy. As in, despite being loathed by virtually all Bernie Sanders supporters and many Hillary Clinton supporters, she still plans to go onstage at the Democratic National Convention.

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Mook refers to @DWStweets statement when asked why she's still gaveling in and out of convention: "That's what she plans to do."




How disastrous an image is this likely to present to the country as Democrats are trying to showcase unity? Here’s a strong clue: Wasserman Schultz currently can’t appear before her own state’s delegation without being raucously booed.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/7/25/1552062/-Debbie-Wasserman-Schultz-plans-to-open-the-Democratic-convention-by-being-booed-off-stage#view-story

[rateyes]

2. DWS helped Trump by showing up and speaking.

She needs to go away now.

[shenmue]

43. Apt name you got there

[rateyes]

88. Aren't you clever?

[demmiblue]

3. Place the blame where it belongs. n/t

[mfcorey1]

12. I did, at the shouting disruptors. It is okay for dissent but at that speech it did nothing

but help Donald Trump and turn more people against Bernie and his message. It also hurts Bernie Sanders. How would they feel if the entire convention boo him when he takes the podium today. I don't think Wasserman should be speaking anywhere today, but disruption that his supporters just displayed did nothing to help the situation.

[LakeArenal]

90. Just because you say you are a Bernie supporter protester, doesn't mean you are one...

Just like some of the DU Hillary supporters who say awful things, call people names in Hillary's name. I have heard things said that I am sure the candidate would never utter out of her own mouth. Things that are divisive and incendiary. Some supporters are called to disrupt. For what ever reasons or motivations. Trump has been calling for violence at our convention. His followers take that stuff seriously. That being said, as a Bernie supporter, most of us are backing Hillary Clinton for President. Doesn't mean we aren't angry over how Bernie has been minimized and demeaned by Hillary supporters. It's easy to be pro Clinton and anti Clinton supporters or their actions. Again, actions Hillary Clinton would never condone. Just as Bernie Sanders doesn't condone. As a progressive, how can you be turned from Bernie's message? You can dislike Bernie. But his message? Yikes.

[mfcorey1]

96. What a twisted interpretation! It deserves no response.

[Chimichurri]

4. absolutely necessary

she's a symbol for why people feel the system is rigged. Because it is and she needs to go

[avaistheone1]

22. True. If people did not protest it would appear that all Democrats believe in

breaking rules important to a fair election.

[michaz]

32. Bull! This is not the place or the time for this kind of protest. It is doing nothing more than

hurting the chances of our candidate, Hillary. This keeps drawing the attention to this and keeps the MSM obsessed with it even more. There are other ways to make it appear that all Democrats do not believe in breaking rules that are important to a fair election. Everything does not hinge on protests to prove a point. Just explain to me how this protest helps us as Democrats, how it helps us to gain a bump after this convention and just how in the hell it helps to get our candidate elected. I was one that voted in the primary for Sanders. I have absolutely no problem in voting for Hillary. I like her and feel that she is the best candidate. Do I think that these emails are disgusting? Yes. But I also believe that none of them were acted on. Do I think there needs to be change? Yes. But by busting the convention and our candidate's chances is sure as hell not the way to do it! Now you can tell me that this doesn't help Trump be elected but I will tell you that I am not dumb enough to believe it!

[Chimichurri]

34. She's hurting her own chances

It's not just Bernie supporters, which by the way, are in the millions but average dems who find her tactics unsavory. She is better than this and it's a simple fix that would go a long way

[StraightRazor]

67. With each passing day she's proving that she is not 'better than this'...

that 'this' is just how she operates.

And truthfully, I think it's an asset for her to be as aggressively political as she is, 'cause she's gonna need every single ounce of it if she's elected and has to deal with an R House - the obstruction that Obama faced will be absolute child's play compared to what they'll do to her...almost makes me wonder why she even wants the job.

[avaistheone1]

40. DWS/DNC revelations are turning off voters especially our young people.

Instead of blaming the messenger, or the protesters blame the right people DWS and the DNC. Grrrrrrrr...

[AllyCat]

50. Right on!

[KPN]

66. Exactly!!!!!

[michaz]

78. I am blaming the actions of these people that are protesting and keeping this going .

The situation with DWS is being handled. This is just not the time and place for this. It only hurts the convention and the outcome of it. This is exactly how I feel. You have a right to your feelings. But watch the MSM and tell me this crap helps.

[riderinthestorm]

104. Handled by "punishing" DWS with a top Clinton campaign spot?!

Really?

[revbones]

81. So after the news release is not the place or time? When is then?

Isn't that what the NRA and Republicans yell about after a shooting? Not to politicize it, and now is not the time to discuss it or fixing it?

When is the right time?

[michaz]

85. Well I guess if you are not worried about the MSM keeping this going and

the damage that can be done by that, then I guess you don't think there is a problem with the timing.

[revbones]

86. When is the right time then? nt

[Il_Coniglietto]

24. "Feeling" like something is rigged

And having evidence something is rigged are two very different things.

[KPN]

68. Lol!

Debate schedule? Come on -- you aren't going to deny that are you?

[Fla Dem]

73. That was set way before Sanders became a relevant. Once he spoke up about it it was changed.

He complained, the DNC revised the schedule. In the end, there were too many and people stopped watching.

[revbones]

83. Doesn't matter. The schedule was still set to provide the desired favoritism nt

[enid602]

31. sarcasm

DWS should NEVER have set up a system where many states have closed primaries, and all too few have caucuses. This, after all was why Bernie lost. DWS was so cunning to devise this system.

[MattP]

55. States have had closed primaries for decades

To blame DWS for closed primaries is like blaming Obama for WWII

[still_one]

56. you understand, some folks may actual take you seriously, and believe that people who are not

registered as Democrats, should be allow to participate in choosing the Democratic nominee.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

100. Each state makes it's own primary rules not DWS

Try to live to live in the real world

[enid602]

109. yes

That was my point.

[enid602]

119. yes

That was my point.

[okasha]

114. Each state creates its own primary or caucus system.

Neither DWS nor any other DNC chair has anything to do with their choice.

[joeybee12]

95. Bull...she's gone..so they need to STFU

All they are are goons, nothing more...the left's version of Fred PHelps...they just want to yell and tell everyone how right they are.

[Chimichurri]

99. She isn't gone. She's gaveling in at 4pm

Bob Shrum: she needs to get on a plane and go home

[sufrommich]

5. Like the Clinton Derangement of the 90s,this will backfire on

them like it did with the republicans. They come across as bullies.

[JHB]

11. 80s? In Arkansas?

[hereforthevoting]

6. There were plenty of chances

Chances to change, to at least seem transparent, to take criticism and make it meaningful.... but no, just a lot of mean girls antics as evidenced by the leak.

[bigwillq]

7. Blame who you want, but DWS did this to herself (nt)

[Dr. Strange]

13. Yep.

[Scuba]

8. Self-inflicted wounds are the worst.

[Squinch]

30. Yes. They certainly are. People should not allow themselves to be used as tools by the opposition.

[AlbertCat]

51. People should not allow themselves to be used as tools by the opposition.

Indeed.

But being used and abused by your own side is even worse....especially when it has been obvious from the get go.

[Squinch]

91. Two emails between two asses shooting the shit. Out of 20000. After Sanders lost.

By all means, let's throw the Convention to the media wolves over that.

Maybe Putin will send us a muffin basket.

[leftofcool]

9. It's just stupid temporary antics. Trump will never win.

[Exilednight]

14. We're not all going to get along. the problem with big tent politics is

That someone has to take backseat, and no one wants their issue to be at the end of the line.

This is one of those few occasions where all the people could be pleased some of the time.

A brief statement yesterday by Hillary condemning DWS's actions, and an immediate replacement to keep DWS from the stage.

As long as DWS is around then there is oxygen to the story.

[kacekwl]

19. How hard would it have been for DWS to

disappear in the background ? Who is helping Trump ?

[auntpurl]

15. Can anyone describe what happened?

I'm in the UK and nobody is livestreaming it yet.

[Ghost Dog]

52. Here's a report & some video:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-25/bedlam-wasserman-schultz-bood-heckled-dnc-delegates

(I'm in the Canary Islands).

[auntpurl]

57. Thank you; I did manage to see the footage on Twitter.

I appreciate the link.

[LaydeeBug]

16. Really? That's all it takes for you? HRC hasn't even spoken yet

and you think Donald trump has nailed it?

[Democat]

17. They are Trump supporters to start with, not Sanders supporters

There are a lot of trolls in the Sanders camp at this point.

Look at DU, most Sanders supporters are on board with Clinton. The ones still bashing Clinton were probably with Trump from the start.

[kacekwl]

20. Not bashing Hillary

but this was a bad move especially if you knew this would happen.

[auntpurl]

25. They're Bernie's DELEGATES, chanting LOCK HER UP at the CA delegates breakfast

https://twitter.com/DaveMontero/status/757577543033753600

I really think we have to identify them as Sanders supporters.

[cutroot]

33. There are many wolves among the sheep

Some of them have been fed a steady diet of misinformation for a very long time. When you ask them for specifics, they never have anything but a few slogans.

[PoutrageFatigue]

21. Wait, the voting hasn't even started, but Hillary lost and it's Bernie's fault?

[Moonwalk]

44. Not at all. I don't see anyone blaming Sanders. I see them blaming...

...those chanting "supporters" who are carrying the GOP's water. And no, these supporters are not being blamed for Hillary losing before there's even a vote. They are being blamed for making the Democratic Convention start off on a sour note and feeding the media with images of dissent. If the democrats look broken, divided, a weak, divisive shambles...if that is the impression the news can put forward, that the republicans can put forward....then Trump has a much better chance of winning.

I'm sorry you didn't understand all that. Sometimes those who are upset post short messages and it's easy miss what they're really trying to say.

[AlbertCat]

62. Wait, the voting hasn't even started, but Hillary lost and it's Bernie's fault?

I didn't know Hillary was so delicate myself. I thought she was tough as nails.

But it's only natural for her avid supporters to come to her defense. But alas, she's not perfect (who is?) and added, there's almost a tradition of turning everything that might be considered negative into a huge insurmountable obstacle... in politics in general and Hillary in particular.

[Iggo]

26. DWS was a known quantity here at DU for years.

And when that joke of a debate schedule came out, it was plainly obvious to everyone that DWS was in the bag for Clinton.

This is not new. What's new is the confirmation. Should have gotten rid of her a long time ago.

[PoutrageFatigue]

36. Yup. Another self-inflicted wound by the "who else are you gonna vote for" crowd.

Instead of taking about how bad Drumpf is, and what an utter cluster-fuck the RNC was here we are taking about the rigged game DWS was running. And to compound it Hillary adds her to the campaign!!!

Enough with the circular firing squads!

This planet cannot survive Trump Presidency!

[liberal N proud]

27. Yes, they are dispicable.

They are giving the media just what they want.

[Squinch]

28. It's not Bernie supporters. It is trolls who are acting against Bernie's expressed wishes.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

101. This ^^^^^^^^^

[Karen_J]

37. stubborn

I wish there was a way for the most stubborn "Bernie or bust" supporters to have to live in a Trump America without the rest of us being subjected to it. These people are playing with fire.

[sarae]

58. +1000

I doubt they'd be able to protest at all under a President Trump.

[DrDan]

38. my thoughts exactly - who needs republican opposition, we have the bernie-supporters to help trump

[Hiraeth]

41. lol

[Hiraeth]

93. after all, this is America. USA! USA! USA!

[Hiraeth]

106. good city, Nashville.

[jalan48]

42. Actually, they are helping Hillary and the Democratic Party.

They are showing Americans that Democrats are willing to allow dissent within their ranks and openly deal with their problems.

[Moonwalk]

48. I fear Americans aren't seeing what you're seeing. They're seeing weakness, divisiveness, confusion.

People like to join groups that look powerful, excited, united. Not ones that look like they're bickering. Groups that are bickering just bring out people with popcorn to watch and mock, not to say, "Oh, gosh, they're so wonderfully open about their disagreements...let's join them."

This is why a family bickering in public causes members to be horribly embarrassed. Because everyone watching is gossiping about the argument and saying, "Glad I'm not part of that group!"

[jalan48]

54. Democracy's a messy business, it always has been.

[Moonwalk]

107. Your point being? Yes. It's messy. But it's a wise political party that works to appear organized...

...and unified rather than messy. We can go all the way back to when Teddy Roosevelt split the Republicans and lost them the election. The less messy in appearance the political party, the more together and on point they seem, the more likely they are to win. If they put their messiness on display, if that is all there seems to be to them, then they're going to have a hard time winning supporters or votes.

[jalan48]

121. Debate and disagreement is healthy. Robotic falling in line is not.

[PufPuf23]

45. DWS harmed the interests of the Democratic party and helped the monstrosity

that is Trump by her lack of character.

The current situation need not have occurred at all and DWS was stridently defended when it was obvious she had to go.

Even now best to accept that what DWS did was against DNC rules and was bad and move on rather than quibble further.

[PufPuf23]

87. I have no idea what point you are trying to make but

probably your post should be self-deleted or juried out regards ToS.

Please explain what you typed if I am wrong.

[Helen Borg]

46. More "chairs" not being thrown?

They just keep doing it...

[Stellar]

49. I certainly don't believe that...

and all you need to know is that as long as they/we vote for her, then, FuGit! She deserves everything that she gets. You bought into Trump saying he will get Bernie's supporters...then that's shame on you. I contributed to Bernie's campaign and rung some doorbells...I've got a right to be angry with that s.o.b. Especially since Hillary still got her in our face. BUT, I will vote BLUE. I just have to get this B out of my system.

[Rex]

59. lulz

[afertal]

60. Does anyone here care about what is right anymore or has...

DU become the HRC Campaign annex?

[auntpurl]

63. Do I care about what is right?

Do I f*cking care about what is right?

I care about the most vulnerable people in our society being CRUSHED under a Trump presidency. I care about lower-middle and middle class families being DECIMATED by Trump's tax plan. I care about what happens to the f*cking WORLD when Trump cuddles up with Putin and pulls us out of NATO, leaving Europe clear for Russia to move in, while European countries move further and further right. I care about what will happen to AAs, Latinos, Muslims, people with disabilities, women, the working poor, and the poor and homeless, all of whom will be far worse off under a Trump presidency. DO YOU??

[auntpurl]

75. You don't belong here. nt

[JustAnotherGen]

76. Amen

[afertal]

79. You are right!

I have not bought in to the two party system. IMHO it needs to be changed.

[KPN]

74. By your answer, it seems to me that you obviously care about what is right.

The question is, does the DNC? Did DWS? Actions/behaviors have consequences, some of them unintended.

[eastwestdem]

65. Biggest problem...Bernie is not a good enough politician to give a speech tonight

which placates his crowd.

[KPN]

71. I don't know about good enough, but you are probably right about

the likelihood that Berners will be placated. Whether that's Bernie's fault is another question though.

[eastwestdem]

80. I agree with most of your points...but imagine Obama, or Bill Clinton in his prime giving

a speech in this situation. They would totally win over their supporters to do anything they wanted. That's what I'm talking about.

[eastwestdem]

94. I hope you are correct. I honestly do. nt

[B Calm]

115. Haven't the DNC tried to discredit Bernie enough already?

[eastwestdem]

117. You mean those two emails sent by underlings? Yeah, that was bad.

[B Calm]

118. If you think that's all it is, you haven't been paying attention.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

69. I would think it's a relief to not defend her anymore.

[giftedgirl77]

82. Lol, not all voters are as dramatic or as easily swayed

as the perpetually outraged far left. Most of us are reality based.

[merrily]

102. I very much doubt people vote based on how messy a quadrennial convention of few days is.

If they do, the vote will be tied anyway.

Let's dial down the drama and dark predictions.


People will vote for whoever they think will make the best President for them and their families.

[Android3.14]

103. Understand this.

If the DNC had acted with impartiality, this situation would never have occurred. Place responsibility where it belongs.

[B Calm]

113. Justifiable anger at the DNC!

[NaturalHigh]

116. Yeah, well, it's that pesky "free speech" thing.

We should get rid of the first amendment and just let you decide what is appropriate.

As for Donald Trump winning - HahaHahaHahaHahaHahaHahaHahaHaha. Not gonna happen.

[Buddyblazon]

120. Act like a jerk and do unscrupulous things...

Get mad at people when they figure out you acted like a jerk and cheated.

That's certainly one twisted way of looking at it.

"How dare they call out my bullshit!".

The responses today tell me a lot about a large section of our members. I've always found it amusing when liars and cheaters get mad at others when they get caught lying and cheating. It's very....millennial.