Jaybuss Fukking Kerist, how much more such shit will keep pouring out?

[Stinky The Clown]

It sounds as if people are hoping for, praying for, angling for, working for a disrupted convention.

I know people want to discuss shit, but please. There is a LOT at stake here.

For Democrats, here are the essential facts:

Clinton beat Sanders. Sanders has endorsed Clinton and his team is suggesting to his followers they do the same.

DWS is out.

Clinton has a veep candidate

Even Jeff Weaver blew off the email crap.

If people can't come together now, then maybe they just don't want to ever come together.

Speaking just for myself, if the outcome of our primaries had been reversed, I'd be all in for Bernie. But it didn't, so I am all in for Clinton.

Yeah, I know. PUMA.

Save it. I heard it all before.

[CrowCityDem]

1. The people who proudly said they weren't Dems have no incentive to play nice.

There's a strain of them who really don't seem to care about anything but getting their way. Sadly, we can't keep them away, or else we aren't 'playing nice'.

[yeoman6987]

25. I can't believe the media

They act like it was a murder.

Honestly, I was going to complain about the 3 cable news channels last night (Saturday). MSNBC and CNN did not have an election news but Fox News did. I thought instead of prison stories replaying Hillary and tim's speech would have been better.


24 hours later, I am glad they didn't have news because they would have just talked emails.

[leftstreet]

2. What shit-pouring-out are you talking about?

[Stinky The Clown]

3. Lemme help you

Read a newspaper

Log on to the internet

Watch any TV news you choose

Talk to your neighbors (My idolt neighbor is saying he won't vote. This is a grown fucking adult man.)

Its on all information streams. Pick one and plug in.

[leftstreet]

5. So, basically, a standard election year

Not seeing much different from the same old crap

[sunnystarr]

20. SERIOUSLY??????????

It's the most important election of everyone's lifetime!! Love her or hate her she's all there is between us and a President Trump. I thank God she's here! With the Supreme Court in the balance, the effect spreads too many decades to ignore, marginalize, or consider "the same old crap." We all need to stand up and do something for our country..... VOTE HILLARY!!

[dirtydickcheney]

80. Which election isn't "THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF EVERYONE'S LIFETIME"?????/

Seriously, you hear this every frigging election.

I pointed it out to my friend in 1988 - Bush vs. Dukakis - "it's the most important election in our lifetime..."
and he was like "they say that every election"... and I come to find out that it is true.

But no.... this election.... this one, is the real different one, honestly.

[sunnystarr]

81. If you can't tell the difference

you have my sympathies.

[LanternWaste]

82. It's great fun to pretend all elections are the same, containing no relevant difference

It's great fun to pretend all elections are the same, containing no relevant difference. It's also fun pretending to be a pirate.

But no... really... you're a pirate. You have the eye-patch along with the cool t-shirt! Honestly.

[PoutrageFatigue]

6. Inconvenient truths about rat-fucking that were denied and denied and denied...

...and now that they've been verified, are busy being swept under the rug, or commanded to 'get over it' all in the name of 'Teh Unity'....

[Matt_in_STL]

9. Exactly. A lack of ethics is evidently okay as long as you win

[chwaliszewski]

28. +1

[MichiganVote]

31. The lack of ethics you are looking for don't start or end with Clinton/Kaine

There is that other little matter of the Sanders campaign and their hacking tho'.

[Scuba]

10. ^^ This ^^

[kiva]

16. Yup.

Now let's all link hands and sing Kumbaya. Brought to you by the people who benefited from the rat-fucking.

[laundry_queen]

49. +1 nt

[leftofcool]

26. You don't have to get over it.

[Duckhunter935]

27. ^^^^this

[MissDeeds]

44. +1 zillion

[ConservativeDemocrat]

71. BIZARRE that you see a "rat-fucking" when the emails show the opposite

Literally the only thing negative in the whole list was them strategizing on how to defend themselves from his campaign's idiotic and entirely unproven accusations.


- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[LanternWaste]

83. I pretend they're commands as well... it allows us the pretense of oppression

I pretend they're commands as well... it allows us the pretense of oppression to give our position a more realistic 16-bit credibility-- in the name of hipster-trendy.

[PoutrageFatigue]

84. I'm sorry, no matter how many times I read what you posted

...it still doesn't make sense...

[apcalc]

4. I'm with you, Stinky. The stakes are too high.

[CurtEastPoint]

8. DITTO! Let's get together, folks.

[Matt_in_STL]

7. Act ethically and there isn't shit to pour out

Seems pretty simple and yet Dems keep fucking it up. Point gun at foot and pull trigger.

[Scuba]

11. Self-inflicted wounds hurt the worst.

[Matt_in_STL]

12. And we are awesome at them, like a CCW holder dropping his gun at Walmart.

[Scuba]

13. Makes me think of Joe Lieberman.

[demmiblue]

15. +1

[Duckhunter935]

29. So true

I have to go through many ethics classes in my job.

[backscatter712]

75. Yep, when those inflicting these wounds on the Democratic Party are drummed out,

...the party's better for it.

Ultimately, we'll be doing far better now that Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is drummed out.

[riderinthestorm]

14. I'm beginning to agree with those who think we're beginning a party schism

With the traditional Rethugs too.

Both parties are in serious convulsion.

This looks a lot like history...

With climate change upon us and the current massive income inequality, I believe we're facing party realignments.

[XemaSab]

17. I feel it, too

[Wednesdays]

72. Need any more pearls to clutch?

nt

[Warpy]

18. Oh, same here. Even Sanders didn't take any of the stinkbait on the AM talk shows

no matter how heavily the water was being chummed. He might do a happy dance in private and I wouldn't fault him for it, but we need to follow his lead and do ours there, also.

I'm not blowing off the email crap, a few more people involved in the corruption need to find alternative jobs. Lobbying sounds good, there are few ethics to violate there. However, I'm also not naive enough to think they shaved enough off Sanders's numbers to cause him to lose.

He might have lost the nomination, but he won a lot of the platform.

That's what we need to realize and that's why we need to keep this together and support Clinton.

[Scuba]

24. I just wish the DNC hadn't tainted Hillary's primary win. Self-inflicted wounds hurt worst.

[MichiganVote]

34. Tainted'? Are you listening to yourself? Clinton had nothing to do with this.

Are you actually a Clinton/Kaine supporter or just hanging out?

[Scuba]

38. I didn't say she did. I said the DNC was at fault.

[MichiganVote]

41. You didn't answer my question. Are you a Clinton/Kaine supporter?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

45. And here come the purity tests, folks...

[MichiganVote]

46. Well thank you, I'm sure you mean that nicely but I note that you have a Bernie

icon probably to support his ideals. But I see that a lot on the board and am wondering if are also a Clinton/Kaine supporter?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

67. I don't take purity tests.

[MichiganVote]

68. Actually I don't know what a purity test is.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

70. If you say so...

[Will Morningstar]

65. It's not worth it. Don't waste your time. I'm outta here. Say hi to President Trump.

[merrily]

57. You seem to think you have some kind of authority to be DU's prosecuting attorney?

You may want to check that with Skinner.

[MichiganVote]

58. No not assuming anything. Just want to understand whether people who have Bernie

icons or other supporter stuff similarly support the Clinton/Kaine ticket for the Democratic party. So far no one has had a problem with my query, except you.

[merrily]

59. The post to which you are replying speaks to your lack of authority, not your assumptions.

Also, I disagree that no one but me has a problem with your questioning, which, with me, and with this poster, does not consist of a single query.

[MichiganVote]

60. Only of those I have asked. Every other party has asserted their support of

the Clinton/Kaine ticket.

[merrily]

61. Silence does not mean people are okay with it. Also, please see Reply 45.

And I see no loyalty oath from at least one other poster--and that's just this one thread.

[MichiganVote]

62. So I take it that is a no, you are not supportive of the Clinton/Kaine ticket then.

Ok, well thanks for the information.

[merrily]

63. Asked and answered, as you know very well. However, you still have not answered my question

about your authority.

My previous answer: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8045179

Or acknowledged your error in claiming that everyone but me gave you a loyalty oath in response to your inappropriate questioning.

[awoke_in_2003]

88. This is the second thread

I have seen you doing this. Who the fuck made you hall monitor?

[Scuba]

77. Here's my response ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512285032

[MichiganVote]

78. Understood. got it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

79. Are you now or have you ever been, a member of the Communist Party...

That DUer doesn't have to answer YOUR question.

[Warpy]

51. It's over 3 months to election day

and I sincerely doubt her win will still be tainted by then except among the type of people whose vote she'd never have had under any circumstances.

Yes, it's infuriating that the Republican mentality of cheating to win has taken hold in our party, too. I hope we can get rid of it, and quickly.

Once you sacrifice who you are for a short term gain, you're left with nothing.

[LWolf]

19. I've heard all of what you've said before, too.

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I want an active convention. Democracy is messy. I don't mind messy, and I don't consider democracy to be disruptive.

I WANT everyone who will to take the issues to the convention and beyond. I WANT Hillary Clinton to know that issues have to mean more than lip service. I want Hillary Clinton to know that the revolution is not going away. It really has nothing whatsoever to do with party unity nor party disunity.

The party is not unified, and is not likely to be unified any time soon.

We WILL work to defeat Donald Trump. I'm all in for 2 things: 1. Defeat Trump. 2. Political Revolution, which, for me, means the extinction of neoliberalism.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

32. I love it, Wolfie!

Captures my thoughts perfectly.....

[MichiganVote]

36. Ok so, are you suggesting that Clinton/Kaine were responsible for this email thing?

[LWolf]

86. wtf

I haven't said anything at all, to anyone, anywhere here or outside of DU, about the "email thing."

It's not email that has the party divided.

I have also said very little about either Clinton or Kaine, and probably will not have much to say about them at all until November 3rd, and maybe not even them. I'm clearly not suggesting anything whatsoever concerning them. Over the course of the last year, I've said exactly 3 things about Clinton, and none of them had to do with emails. Since she announced Kaine as her running mate, I've said exactly one thing about him, and it had nothing to do with emails.

Believe it or not, we're not all obsessed with "this email thing." As a matter of fact, I'm only vaguely aware of it. Something about a dump somewhere by somebody, proving what was obvious from the beginning? Don't bother to explain. I'm really not interested.

[shireen]

55. Thank you

What is party unity? If it's voting against Trump, yeah, I 'm in.

But I'm not going to stop calling for a more progressive Democratic party.

[Rex]

21. .

[Warren DeMontague]

22. I would think the folks flipping out trying to "rehabilitate" or defend DWS might give it a rest.

She was a trainwreck, she has supported things like payday lending and putting medical marijuana patients in prison. She went in the NY Times and not only doubled down on marijuana criminalization, she insulted millennial voters, particularly women.

She is bad for our brand.

It's good she's stepping down. It would be far worse if she wasn't.

So yes, Unity. I think even with these events our convention will stand in stark contrast to the clusterfuck in cleveland.

[Stinky The Clown]

40. pour vous

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028043746

[Warren DeMontague]

73. I like Donna Brazille, too.

[Petrushka]

76. DWS may be "...bad for our brand." but she has been given a NEW role in the Clinton campaign!

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Wasserman Schultz to Have a New Role in Clinton Campaign

by The Associated Press

July 24, 2016, 5:42 PM EDT


Hillary describes her as a “longtime friend.”

Hillary Clinton is thanking her “longtime friend” Debbie Wasserman Schultz after the Florida congresswoman’s decision to step down as chair of the Democratic National Committee. Clinton says that Wasserman Schultz will serve as honorary chair of her campaign’s 50-state program to help elect Democrats around the country.

The presumptive Democratic presidential nominee says she looks forward to campaigning with Wasserman Schultz in Florida “and helping her re-election bid.” Clinton responded after Wasserman Schultz agreed to step down as chair at the end of this week’s Democratic National Convention.

< snip >

http://fortune.com/2016/07/24/wasserman-schultz-clinton-campaign/


Edited to add:
I just noticed there's a DU discussion on the same subject: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141529368

Edited again:
Another DU discussion: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512287073#post1

[Bluenorthwest]

23. I think the great lesson is to treat people equally and respectfully at all times in case

at some later date you need their good will. One reaps what one sows. I was thinking today of the 'That's not Bernie' in those photos of Bernie routine. Folks playing that sort of game have no standing to whine when found out to be playing that sort of a game. It's the game they wanted to play. Would it be better right now to not to have spent those months making untruthful claims about photos and chairs and insinuating all forms of wickedness? I do think that it would.

[Duckhunter935]

30. It would be nice

But for some reason, I have little hope

[chwaliszewski]

35. It's like Porky Pig once said...

"You buttered your bread, now sleep in it."

[David__77]

33. What's so harmful in discussing news / issues?

What do you think would be an adverse outcome of doing so?

[DanM]

37. PUMA last time was intra-establishment and quickly forgotten. Today's PUMA is quite more serious.

[MyNameGoesHere]

39. Exactly.

I went from tolerating to can't standing the pissants.

[truebluegreen]

42. That sounds like a call-out of fellow DUers.

[Stinky The Clown]

48. That's a pretty big leap there, bub.

This shit is everywhere. Start by watching any media coverage of the elections. A veritable wealth of pissants.

You really need to self delete that one.

[truebluegreen]

50. No, I don't. Bub.

[Stinky The Clown]

54. .

[lastlib]

43. PUMA = President Trump........

Any questions?

[Gabi Hayes]

47. of course! I'm strongly for her, being against a new version of the Enabling Act

becoming part of the order of the day in a year or so.

I actually sent her money, after sending lots (ha) to Bernie. will be going to Iowa next week to work there, as Illinois should be safe. if it's not, what was the name of that REM song?

are you listening, admins? I love Hillary, and donna brazille, with every fiber of my being!

[greiner3]

52. Sorry Stinky, but;

These emails and other unmentioned documents will only get more revealing as the election approaches.

I'm known as a cranky old man in my neighborhood, mostly white suburb middle class, houses $150,000 on average.

I fly a NATO flag and still have my Bernie yard sign up.

In one block I count 5 houses that are Trumper's (2 fly the Confederate flag and the other 3 are just pussies for not as I've lived here for most of 20 years and know what they think).

Before she died my sister told a bunch of crap to the neighbors (nasty crap as she was a narcissist of Trump category and she was believed, but I digress) and my children's mother is Asian.

I'll be the first to go on my block.



What do you have to lose?

[Stinky The Clown]

56. Cool vid. Lots of other people's misery and death, right there on video.

Do you pull the wings off butterflies for fun?

[RandySF]

53. The RNC was too quiet for the media.

So they're hoping for blood in the streets of Philly.

[Will Morningstar]

64. Hello, Mr. President. They're making a monkey of NightWatcher on his thread as we speak. Disgusted.

Daring the poor S.O.B. to alert them. Parsing his words. One. By. One. All cutesy-poo.

I'm sorry I came out of retirement and joined DU. What was I thinking? Was I under the illusion that my contribution would make any difference?

I didn't know this was a death cult. I do not feel sorry for you.

I mourn for America, if we are the best she has to offer.

[nolabear]

66. I appreciate that. We have to help one another here or we might not be able to take it back.

As in, not blow up the bloody planet.

[Will Morningstar]

69. Just malicious bullying and cute cat-and-mouse playing here. Don't even try. Waste of time.

[Democat]

74. DU is overrun by right wing trolls

Would be nice if the admins started banning them.

[Rex]

85. They can start with the ones that keep making divisive threads day in and day out.

That would be nice.

[prayin4rain]

87. Agreed. I can't believe people are willing to burn the country down over two

emails. This is ridiculous.

[Calculating]

89. It's more than two emails.

It's a huge buildup of rage over the failed electoral system which allowed us to get here. We have two of the most unpopular candidates EVER running against one another.

[prayin4rain]

90. So, burn it all down? ? It needs to be changed, so let a dangerous, unqualified

scumbag be elected in three months. The world's safety is literally at risk. Donald f-ing Trump cannot be president of the United States. He's unfit in every way.

I'm glad that Bernie woke some people up, but right now, it's time to grow up and do the responsible thing.

[eleny]

91. yup, the stakes are way to high