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DFW

(54,405 posts)
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:02 AM Jul 2016

Well, hi there DU! How’re y’all doin’? Whatcha been up to?

I took a little sabbatical about 6 months ago with one minor interruption. It got a little too evil in here, and that just wasn’t my style, so I just dropped out of sight for a while. I didn’t think it was worth a big proclamation with a marching band and fireworks, so I skipped that part.

A quick look around shows a bunch of new faces, and some welcome old ones. I was told some embittered former ones have left altogether, off to a board where they can commiserate among themselves. I looked, and they seem content to be there, if not exactly content per se. Some of the obvious minions sent out by Rove and Friends have returned to those dark places from whence they must have crawled, and the steady stream of “I-Hate-Hillary” invective on DU seems to have slowed to an insignificant trickle. That is a welcome change, as there is certainly enough of it elsewhere.

HRC has made her choice for VP, and while Tim Kaine might not have been my first choice, he seems to have a lot more to offer us than might have met the eye prior to scrutiny now underway. A friend of mine, Jim Hamilton, was in charge of vetting Hillary’s possibles, and Jim is nothing if not thorough. It’s not for nothing that over 40 years ago, another man from North Carolina (Sen. Sam Ervin) got young Jim involved in the Watergate investigation that eventually brought Nixon down. If Kaine made it through Jim’s wringer, he’s got some chops.

Another friend of mine, a former Governor of Vermont whose name is still remembered by some, told me years ago that there was a lot more substance to Tim Kaine than most people knew. I was skeptical, but I have never met Kaine, and I had no real basis for judgment. From a few posts I have seen here, Howard knew a lot more than I did. I have seen plenty of “Howard has sold out” posts around the internet, but Howard told me in 2009 that if he didn’t get a cabinet post, he’d lend his name to some law firm for name recognition (for them) and some steady income (for him), and spend most of his time “raising hell for causes I care about.” And not just in the USA. A couple of years back, he organized a walk from Bangkok to the Burmese border to call attention to human trafficking. I wonder how many of his internet haters participated in that or anything like it?

I could have met Kaine (and Howard) this coming week in Philadelphia, but I passed on the invitation. It was not a decision I made lightly. In the offer were VIP hotel and passes to all events, etc. and no one asked me for a cent. Coffee one-on-one with Cecile Richards (also a friend), and all sorts of cool stuff, what’s not to like? It was flattering to get such an invitation, but I was in a different country EVERY DAY for work for most of May and ALL of June, and I need the down time more than I need the glad-handing, the strategy sessions and the photo ops. I’m not 30 anymore. I doubt I would have enjoyed the convention much if I had had to spend half of it at the ICU unit of the cardiac ward of the University of Pennsylvania Hospital. I somehow think the Party will manage just fine without me this time.

My wife and I are currently with our neighbors from Germany who are visiting with us here in Nowheresville, Cape Cod. The road to this place isn’t even paved. Just what we were looking for.

This seems as good a time as any to try a return to DU. After all, I was here for something like ten years prior to my absence. There seem to be a few self-righteous types around, still, but what else is new? Someone’s always looking for a fight. Where WON’T you find them? What matters to me is that the level of discussion has been brought back up from sulfuric acid to something much more resembling a neutral pH level, and that’s good enough for me. Things ARE sounding a little (OK, a LOT) more upbeat than they were when I left.

So, OK, DU, what HAVE y’all been up to?

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Well, hi there DU! How’re y’all doin’? Whatcha been up to? (Original Post) DFW Jul 2016 OP
I think you figured it out pretty well! Rhiannon12866 Jul 2016 #1
Thanks, Rhiannon! DFW Jul 2016 #20
You certainly need some "down time," and that wouldn't be much of a vacation, Rhiannon12866 Jul 2016 #53
Your voice was definitely missed TexasProgresive Jul 2016 #2
Thanks, TP! DFW Jul 2016 #21
Welcome back malaise Jul 2016 #3
new rules and new jury system seems to be working. mopinko Jul 2016 #4
WB, DFW! femmocrat Jul 2016 #5
So I see DFW Jul 2016 #22
Missed you. Very much. nt msanthrope Jul 2016 #6
Thanks for the sentiment! DFW Jul 2016 #23
Hi. KMOD Jul 2016 #7
Thanks, KMOD! DFW Jul 2016 #24
Just got here. Good crowd. Will Morningstar Jul 2016 #8
It usually is DFW Jul 2016 #25
Hidee-Ho DFW denbot Jul 2016 #9
Hidee-Ho back! DFW Jul 2016 #27
Great to see you back. panader0 Jul 2016 #10
That is one poisonous yam we are confronting DFW Jul 2016 #28
Hi DFW, I'm glad to have you back. I appreciate your world view, and your "insider" view here, too. NBachers Jul 2016 #11
Glad to be back DFW Jul 2016 #29
I did what you did, DFW. Took some time away back in August. calimary Jul 2016 #12
I got the impression that many lost sight of that DFW Jul 2016 #37
Hell, wonder how many of us DUers are even old enough to remember Pogo? calimary Jul 2016 #46
I remember Pogo quite fondly myself! Hekate Jul 2016 #49
I've been reviving the Top 10 Conservative Idiots: Initech Jul 2016 #13
And doing an awesome job! AwakeAtLast Jul 2016 #15
Second that. Took me some time to read every line. Will Morningstar Jul 2016 #19
Welcome back, DFW gademocrat7 Jul 2016 #14
Hey stranger! Was thinking of you lots with all the attacks in France and Germany riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #16
Yeah, a lot of that stuff was happening right under my nose DFW Jul 2016 #30
Great to see your posts again! AwakeAtLast Jul 2016 #17
I'll be watching from afar. DFW Jul 2016 #31
I was gone too, named Teacher of the Year, then fired when I said I was gay in public. DonRedwood Jul 2016 #18
Good to see you here DFW Jul 2016 #32
Glad to have you back. nt msanthrope Jul 2016 #33
Welcome back! I just came back a few days ago after a similar long hiatus. kestrel91316 Jul 2016 #26
Yeah, I remember 2008 DFW Jul 2016 #34
Missed your posts and perspective! Great to see you back. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #35
Just another voice to welcome you back. Boomerproud Jul 2016 #36
Thanks for that! DFW Jul 2016 #38
Welcome back DFW! I am also at the Cape, beautiful day isn't it? seaglass Jul 2016 #39
A fabulous day! DFW Jul 2016 #40
We'll try not to burn SoCal down before you get here pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #42
That's very generous of you, much appreciated! DFW Jul 2016 #43
We will support our nominee and we will WIN! pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #54
You know I had to log in to say HI!!! Peacetrain Jul 2016 #41
That is vital DFW Jul 2016 #44
Good time to come back, welcome back. Rex Jul 2016 #45
Well, I got into some poison ivy. progressoid Jul 2016 #47
I debarked to an alternate friendly site for awhile, but I knew I'd be back this time... Hekate Jul 2016 #48
Those who leave here when miffed over a slight usually return pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #50
It was the sheer overall toxicity, that transcended the personal... Hekate Jul 2016 #51
That is exactly why I did NOT bother with a GBCW message DFW Jul 2016 #56
Glad you're back, my dear DFW! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2016 #52
It was time, dear Peggy DFW Jul 2016 #57
We are eagerly anticipating your most welcome visit! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2016 #59
This site is only "underground" when repubs are in power yodermon Jul 2016 #55
As long as they have the power to thwart our agenda...... DFW Jul 2016 #58
Welcome back! smirkymonkey Jul 2016 #60
It is VERY much on their radar! DFW Jul 2016 #61

Rhiannon12866

(205,467 posts)
1. I think you figured it out pretty well!
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:14 AM
Jul 2016

Wish you were going so you could tell us all about it, but your health and serenity are more important! Welcome back, you were certainly missed!

DFW

(54,405 posts)
20. Thanks, Rhiannon!
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:40 PM
Jul 2016

I was at the Denver convention in 2008, and it was heady stuff, indeed. Howard was still DNC chairman then, and it was a laugh getting all those "who the hell is THAT guy?" stares when I got a big bear hug from Howard when he saw me. Plus hanging with pals from the Texas Democrats, and just a string of good people (Henry Waxman, John Conyers, Amy Goodman, John Nichols, the list just went on and on). It was not an easy decision this time to pass, as you can imagine, plus ten times the perks as well!

But I DO need the down time, and I'll be seeing most of the people I would have seen sooner or later. My wife is happy I won't be disappearing for one week out of our vacation, and I'm happy to spend time with her that is not restricted to the hours between 11:30 PM and 5:00 AM. I'll be doing the local radio show tomorrow that I always do once a year here, and WDR (West German Radio) has asked if they can do some phone interviews during next week's convention. Other that that, though, I'm taking it very easy.

I felt like Dr. Zhivago in that scene where, after some particularly brutal carnage of the Russian Civil War, he just turned on his horse and rode away. Zhivago had had enough of the fighting, and so had I. I think I have come back to a more civil place.

Rhiannon12866

(205,467 posts)
53. You certainly need some "down time," and that wouldn't be much of a vacation,
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:15 AM
Jul 2016

Though it would certainly be exciting. However, this has turned out to be an election season like no other, and I don't mean that in a good way. The tension and pressure has to be enormous since there is so much at stake, this time around...

And it absolutely sounds like you know some amazing people. I don't know if you remember, but John Conyers once posted here, so he's officially a DUer! For awhile, so many of us changed avatars to John Conyers in honor of his visit - and his leadership in confronting the 2004 voting irregularities and standing up to the Bush* administration - that it was tough to tell us apart, LOL! Of course, half the board replied to him and I had to laugh since the first poster who replied had a John Conyers avatar...

I know exactly what you mean about needing a break, remember thinking that the 2004 primary season here was particularly rough, but it couldn't touch this one! I took a break myself, and things seem to have settled down for the most part, but there is some residual tension which is no doubt going to be with us until we no longer have the most bizarre and scary election in history behind us.

But it's great to see you back and I'm looking forward to hearing about what you're up to! Welcome home!





TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
2. Your voice was definitely missed
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:21 AM
Jul 2016

I took a modified sabbatical by trashing certain names,forums and groups. It's great that the primaries are over.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
21. Thanks, TP!
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:46 PM
Jul 2016

The primaries this time were absolutely insane. I got the impression there was a LOT of infiltration from the right, and there was a lot of kindling on the left just waiting for the spark the infiltrators were only too willing to provide. I'm sure the Philly convention will offer some golden opportunities for the right to try to make it look like a repeat of Chicago, 1968. I would hope we don't fall for it. Once again, and more than could possibly have been imagined 48 years ago, "the whole world's watching."

mopinko

(70,121 posts)
4. new rules and new jury system seems to be working.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:25 AM
Jul 2016

temperature has decreased significantly.

welcome back.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
23. Thanks for the sentiment!
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:49 PM
Jul 2016

I didn't really think too many would notice. Apparently a few did, and I appreciate it.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
25. It usually is
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:52 PM
Jul 2016

It helps that you got here a century after Appomattox Courthouse (now) and not a month before Ft. Sumter (six months ago)!

panader0

(25,816 posts)
10. Great to see you back.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:05 AM
Jul 2016

Yeah, things got pretty toxic here and I figured that's why you left.
I confess to a bit of it myself. But with Bernie now backing HRC, we
Democrats now need to focus on defeating the yam.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
28. That is one poisonous yam we are confronting
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:06 PM
Jul 2016

Last edited Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:23 AM - Edit history (1)

It needs to be permanently quarantined. Sanders knows it as well as anyone.

NBachers

(17,120 posts)
11. Hi DFW, I'm glad to have you back. I appreciate your world view, and your "insider" view here, too.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:20 AM
Jul 2016

calimary

(81,312 posts)
12. I did what you did, DFW. Took some time away back in August.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:57 AM
Jul 2016

I'm back now, too. And it's a lot more like the DU I remembered so fondly - where the comradeship was warm and inclusive, and the discussion was scintillating and sometimes most educational (in a good way)! Glad you're back. I'm glad I'm back, too. But it was VERY helpful and healing to step away for awhile.

We're so much better here when we're not at each other's throats. And we all recognize the REAL enemy - the common enemy we all share.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
37. I got the impression that many lost sight of that
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jul 2016

It was more like Pogo: "We have met the enemy and he is us."

calimary

(81,312 posts)
46. Hell, wonder how many of us DUers are even old enough to remember Pogo?
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:03 PM
Jul 2016

I do, but I'm OLD! Lol

DFW

(54,405 posts)
30. Yeah, a lot of that stuff was happening right under my nose
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jul 2016

It's funny--I was getting warnings from my American friends to watch out for the danger in Europe, while European travel agencies were busy warning their customers about how dangerous things were getting in the USA.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
31. I'll be watching from afar.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jul 2016

We do have TV reception here. There definitely a few speeches I will be looking for!

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
18. I was gone too, named Teacher of the Year, then fired when I said I was gay in public.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jul 2016

Since I disappeared from DU I've done over 400 appearances supporting kids with special needs or LGBTQ youth and teachers. Met a president, Secretary of State Clinton, and four other cabinet secretaries, half a dozen governors, got named a Kentucky Colonel and was given the NEA LGBTQ caucus Teacher Role Model Award the same week I was fired. I've been busy standing up for kids!

I tried to return to DU a six months ago but couldn't stand seeing the DU I loved busy heating tar and plucking feathers. I'm glad to be back!

DFW

(54,405 posts)
32. Good to see you here
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:19 PM
Jul 2016

Six months ago, this place was Antietam/Sharpsburg, September 17, 1862.

enough was enough

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
26. Welcome back! I just came back a few days ago after a similar long hiatus.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:00 PM
Jul 2016

I can't stomach this place during the primaries.

Boomerproud

(7,955 posts)
36. Just another voice to welcome you back.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jul 2016

You have been missed and your posts and presence are needed.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
38. Thanks for that!
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jul 2016

I'm sure DU got on/will get on fine without me, but as long as they/you are willing to put up with me, I'm back.

seaglass

(8,173 posts)
39. Welcome back DFW! I am also at the Cape, beautiful day isn't it?
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:07 PM
Jul 2016

Yes, DU has calmed down quite a bit fortunately. I've been here since 2001, have seen a lot of primaries and this has been the worst. Still not believing the Repubs actually nominated Trump. Sad!

Your take on the convention would have been interesting but I get that you need the down time. Enjoy!

DFW

(54,405 posts)
40. A fabulous day!
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:09 PM
Jul 2016

Our friends from Germany have to leave tomorrow (many tears already being shed--by them!). So, we are preparing a big send-off dinner. My wife is a master chef, so that is no idle statement. We were already at both sides of the water, both national seashore and bay side. I will be on WOMR-FM tomorrow starting at about 11:00 in the morning if you want to listen in. As always, the time here races past unmercifully. I can't even conceive that in exactly two weeks we'll be in southern California. By then, the conventions' buzz will have worn off, and the campaign will begin in earnest. Should be interesting!

DFW

(54,405 posts)
43. That's very generous of you, much appreciated!
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jul 2016

It's nice to get back to a DU that is more into tearing down Trump and Pence than our own candidates!

Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
41. You know I had to log in to say HI!!!
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:11 PM
Jul 2016

Doing good.. and feeling pretty positive as long as we GOTV..

DFW

(54,405 posts)
44. That is vital
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:30 PM
Jul 2016

The Republicans practically handed us this one on a silver platter, and half of them know it. If we blow it, we won't have to look farther than the nearest mirror to find out who's to blame.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
45. Good time to come back, welcome back.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:34 PM
Jul 2016

The party is coming together to fight against Trump. The Primaries...ugh...that was smart to leave, so much venom. HRC has her team together and is moving forward to take the WH in November. She's going to crush Trump.

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
47. Well, I got into some poison ivy.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:41 AM
Jul 2016

Really. My forearm is just nasty.

My wife yells at CNN everyday. For our mental health, we may have to cancel Direct TV until after the election.

The cucumbers and squash are doing great. Carrots and radishes, not so much.

And I ate four donuts today. I wish I felt bad about it, but I don't.



Hekate

(90,714 posts)
48. I debarked to an alternate friendly site for awhile, but I knew I'd be back this time...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:39 AM
Jul 2016

Your observations about DU are pretty spot on, tho we still have a few folks who are rooting for the demise of the Democratic Party, if not Western Civilization itself.

So welcome back, DFW! We've missed you.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
50. Those who leave here when miffed over a slight usually return
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:49 AM
Jul 2016

Those who feel admins and moderation are lacking also usually return.

Something to think about for anyone tempted to post a dramatic GBCW message.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
51. It was the sheer overall toxicity, that transcended the personal...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:11 AM
Jul 2016

One thing I did when I came back was to sign up for Jury duty for the first time ever. That has really helped my state of mind about DU. That and the fact that most of the worst ones have either taken a hike or have been tombstoned.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
56. That is exactly why I did NOT bother with a GBCW message
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jul 2016

I always figured I'd be back when the ugliness was done with, so why bother with the melodrama?

yodermon

(6,143 posts)
55. This site is only "underground" when repubs are in power
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:29 AM
Jul 2016

that much has become quite plain.

Still a fantastic resource though; just helps to know the lay of the land.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
58. As long as they have the power to thwart our agenda......
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:22 PM
Jul 2016

They are never completely out of power.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
60. Welcome back!
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 06:35 PM
Jul 2016

I missed your informative, thoughtful posts.

What seems to be the take on our presidential race in Europe/Germany, or is it not really on their radar yet?

DFW

(54,405 posts)
61. It is VERY much on their radar!
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 07:10 PM
Jul 2016

They cannot believe Trump or anyone like him has become the candidate for president of one of our major parties, or even less that he has any support whatsoever. It is scaring the living crap out of them that he is polling higher than any of their own extremist rightist movements in any major European country.

A Trump victory would have serious consequences for NATO, the Dollar, and the willingness to continue to allow U.S. military bases in Europe.

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