So it's not a terrorist attack if it's an RW white guy or guys

[malaise]

Hope you folks get it. The media hacks are no longer sure it's an act of terror.

[dhol82]

1. Sure is terrorism in my book!

[Cali_Democrat]

2. Our media operates from an angle of white supremacy.

Always has, always will.

That's why they don't call it terrorism when white guys shoot up a bunch of people.

[malaise]

3. You can walk into a restaurant and mall and kill people

if you are white and RW and for M$Greedia that's not classic terrorism - I mean what the fuck is wrong with these people?

[HipChick]

13. Does not fit their narrative?

[Iliyah]

4. Prayers for Gemany but White guy(s) who create terror are in fact terrorists.

But our lovely corporate media find it HARD to equate that.

[unblock]

5. white shooters are mentally ill and act alone. others are radical islamic terrorists in cells.

see how that works?

[Mister Twilight]

54. The Korean guy who shot up Virginia Tech

Not white, therefore clearly al Qaeda!

[Wounded Bear]

6. That's how it works...

you can't say terrorist without the proper adjectives, and the only allowed adjectives involve scary radical Muslim middle eastern guys. If they don't fit, you can't say terrorist.

Got it?

(Not really, though

[Johnny2X2X]

7. Christian terrorism.

Do we declare war in Christianity?

[Nye Bevan]

14. A German-Iranian dual national, according to the BBC.

Is it likely that he was a Christian?

[LisaL]

21. Not very likely at all.

[napkinz]

8. ...

[Rex]

9. Right, lone gunman, long wolf, always nice guy never heard a bad word from him.

Ever notice when they interview the neighbors, it is always, "such a nice guy never made much noise or said one bad word." Our corporate media at work folks!

[tenderfoot]

10. Notice all Islamophobes took a break from posting their fear mongering bullshit

[LisaL]

20. What exactly is so funny?

And considering he was German-Iranian, chances are he wasn't Christian.

[melman]

31. Good question

but I guess kids getting shot in the face really brings the lols for some people.

[giftedgirl77]

27. For realz....

[Albertoo]

36. The shooter's first name was Ali...

btw, Afghanistan's Talebans just blew a market to foster their goal of a more Islamic State.
18 dead people.

Fear mongering bullshit?

[suffragette]

11. I noticed that on Sky news, one guy shut that down fast - noting terror is terror, whoever

The individual or group perpetrating it.

Would be great if we had reporters who would do that here.

[Marr]

12. Were they right wing white guys? /nt

[Nye Bevan]

15. BBC is saying it was a German-Iranian dual national (nt)

[malaise]

23. Heard that late last night

US media dropped it based on what they heard as well

[modem77]

16. He was an Iranian that has been living in Germany for 2 years.

Yelled Allahu Akbar while shooting children at McDonalds.

[malaise]

25. That is not true

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/23/munich-shooting-teenage-gunman-researched-killing-sprees-no-isis-links
<snip>
The lone teenager who shot dead nine people and injured 27 others in Munich had amassed literature relating to killing sprees and police responses to them but had no links to Islamic State, officials have said.

Police said the gunman, who opened fire at a crowded shopping centre and McDonald’s restaurant on Friday evening, was an 18-year-old German-Iranian who had been raised in Munich and had no prior criminal record.
Live Munich shooting: Merkel set for emergency talks after gunman kills nine – live
Police give all clear and say ‘high probability’ attacker acted aloneGunman was 18-year-old German of Iranian descentWhat we know – and what we don’t know – about the attack
Read more

They said he had been in full-time education and there were indicators he had been in psychiatric care and was treated for depression.

The gunman has been named in reports as Ali Sonboly. Neighbours told the Guardian Sonboly was a “shy, lazy” teenager who used to shirk his job as newspaper delivery man.

[giftedgirl77]

28. Lol, apparently you just made that up to fit you bigoted talking points.

As you were pointed to be full of shit at the response right after you first one you think you'd correct you nonsense.

[modem77]

34. German - Iranian Dual National. Original post was early on. Get over it.

[smirkymonkey]

17. Why do they go after the children?

I can't think of anything more cruel. So many shooters seem to target children, why is that?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

18. Where are you seeing these media hacks? nt

[melman]

22. Nowhere

Totally made up.

[oberliner]

19. Where do you get that he was a white guy?

What is your source on that?

[Albertoo]

24. It's a German-Iranian terrorist with a beef with Sunni Turks.

And it's been officially designated an act of terror by the German government.

Now, what was the population you were trying to exonerate?

[romanic]

26. The shooter was a dual national German-Iranian

doesn't sound very white to me. :I

[malaise]

29. German police say it was not a terrorist act

it was a rampage shooting from a man with psychiatric problems obsessed with mass shootings.

Stop looking for ISIS everywhere.

[giftedgirl77]

30. The kid was raised in Germany & quite possibly could be of German

decent. Last I checked Germany is pretty fucking white. Or are you saying that bc he had Iranian in him that nullifies his whiteness.

His act alone was pretty fucking white in itself.

[Albertoo]

32. What exactly does "His act alone was pretty fucking white in itself" mean?

That only white people shoot others with automatic rifles?

Just curious.

[giftedgirl77]

37. Lol, look at the trend of mass shootings....

90% are white kids in there teens to early 20s with image & bullying issues. You want a list of examples?

[pault420]

41. This website says pretty much the opposite...

If you look up the names with photos....

https://www.massshootingtracker.org/data

A lot of unknowns, but even those areas are predominately black.


Really shouldn't lump all people together. Not very progressive.

Never mind that the last two mass shootings nationally were black guys.

So take this German one, the last two in the U.S and trend is certainly not 20 year old white guys.

[modem77]

35. One of the most racist posts I have seen on this site. Reported.

[giftedgirl77]

38. Lol....so when all of the bigots run around here yelling all muslims are evil it's ok.

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But responding to another posters blatant attempt to try & dispell the possible whiteness is racist? Or was it pointing out that mass shootings are pretty much a white mans game that you found offensive?

[Marr]

40. Show me one post here-- one-- that says Muslims are evil.

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You can even go back to the previous DU if you like.

[giftedgirl77]

45. Lol, oh fucking please

[Marr]

47. So it was just a lie then.

Thanks.

[melman]

50. Right

You can't do it because it's never happened.

[Albertoo]

43. Boy, you like to pretend, don't you?

Nobody tried to spew the nonsense that all (or even most) Muslims are evil here.
The problem is not Muslims, it is the texts of Islam themselves.

Those texts contain a substantial amount of hateful, supremacist passages.
And these passages produce LOTS of bigots (Saudi Arabia, Iran, Talebans, Boko Haram, etc)

Why do you seem to NOT be worried about these very real bigots?

[marble falls]

56. Seriously? I bet the jury votes tour alert down.

[Marr]

39. "His act alone was pretty fucking white in itself."

Disgustingly bigoted comment.

[giftedgirl77]

46. Lol, never profiled someone before huh?

Just because you don't want to admit white folks murder of choice is mass shootings doesn't make it a bigoted statement.

[Marr]

48. Oh, you *like* profiling now.

Ok.

[MADem]

55. Iranians are south Asian, FWIW.

And I agree with others that the whole "nullifies his whiteness" business is a very unfortunate choice of words. The entire post is problematic, frankly.

[hobbit709]

44. they're only terrorists if they are black or brown

If they are white then they are fun loving patriots.

[WinkyDink]

49. Timothy McVeigh and OKC were certainly labeled as such.

[WinkyDink]

51. I think Germans have autonomy to call events as they see them. And this one WAS a lone

gunman teen whose motive was revenge for having been bullied, a charge validated by a former classmate bully.

Nothing "religious" about it.

[Bobcat]

53. Brevik

As per the BBC, Munich police are now saying there was a link between the German-Iranian and Andres Brevik, the neo-Nazi who killed 77 in Norway exactly five years ago - July 22, 2011. What happened in Germany was right-wing terrorism.

[underahedgerow]

57. Terrorism is defined as being a politically motivated event. Mass murder and spree killings

by crazy guys because they're pissed off about being gay, not being gay, wanting to be gay, not wanting to be gay, being bullied, having no friends, not getting the girlfriend they want, their wife leaves them, their kids hate them, the object of their desire rejects them, they got bullied at work, they got in fights at work, the sky wasn't blue enough, the voices told them to, they hated their mom, they hated their dad, they hated their brother, they hated their sister, they weren't paid enough, they couldn't find a job, they worked at the post office, the neighbor's dog was barking, etc....

are not defined as terrorism.

It's not any more complicated than that, other than understanding the 'motivations' behind the actions. Hell, understanding them is often just not even possible. People who kill other people are not rational.

[malaise]

58. Interesting response

but too often there is deliberate obfuscation of the mental issues if the person is also a Muslim.
And there are so called lone wolves who are both racists and domestic terrorists.

[underahedgerow]

59. I will easily say that any person that adopts those basest, lowest and most evil of ideologies is

not rational and 'normal' and suffers from sort of emotional disorder or mental illness.

It certainly appears to me that the people committing so many atrocities are found in larger numbers in people, males in particular, that follow the strictest of religious ideologies.

The abortion clinic bombers 'saving the babies for jayzuz', etc.

That begs the question as to whether religion attracts such fragile ids or creates them. The converse to that argument being that many people partake of religion without it becoming a reason for violence.

That being said, hitler didn't follow any religion, and yet....

There is no one explanation... The one common thread is that they're all male.

I think that it's various forms of mental illness that causes the attraction to religion as the crutch and reason for violent actions.

In the cases most recently, the kid in Munich.... this is a reach and I might be falling off the chair, most people might not be able to understand this but, here goes.

The kid was rejected by his peers. Much in the way a herd of animals will reject one of their kind due to an indiscernible defect, it's a way of protecting the herd from predators, as the weak one will slow them down and jeopardize the safety of all of them.

So perhaps those loners (that end up committing such horrid acts) are subconsciously rejected by the human herd for good reason. In the case of the nutter isis whackos, they've found safety in their own numbers... a herd of rejects.

Call me crazy. That's my take on it.

[malaise]

60. I like your way of thinking

It shows empathy for the human condition.

[GermanWatcher]

61. From someone close to this...

I'm a TV journalist in Munich, working for German National TV (ARD). I've been covering this story since it broke some 26 hours ago. Just got home.
Here's the thing: From all that my colleagues were able to verify, this really seems to be the case of a single shooter on a rampage.
The perpetrator was an 18 year old German of Iranian descent. He was born in Germany. He seems to have suffered from mental problems, he even referred to that himself in one of the videos made by people on the scene.
The investigation has turned up no connections to terror groups such as ISIS, but found books about students going on shooting sprees.
I've checked some of this myself, trusted colleagues have verified other parts of the story.
Please stop spreading false information. Sometimes, if it walks like a duck...

[malaise]

62. There are others even closer

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/23/munich-shooting-loner-facebook-ali-sonboly-bullied-killer


This is a very sad story - I am German he said - and he is but exclusion is the norm for minorities. He never felt accepted. Yes he's mentally ill.
Sad for those who died including him. He's so German he killed the outsiders and admired someone who hates him.
What a truly sad planet.

[GermanWatcher]

63. To clarify my point...

I guess I´m just too tired to fully understand your post.
My point simply is: This is – as far as we know now – not about organized, international, Islamic or otherwise religiously motivated terrorism.
This seems to be the story of a deeply disturbed young man shunned by parts of society.
This is an extremely sad story, but one that IMHO should not be used to stir up irrational fears of terrorism.
The threat of terrorist attacks is bad enough as it is, and like many Germans, I think we will be hit hard some time in the fututre.

[malaise]

64. Yes you did not understand my post

I agree with you - a deeply disturbed young man shunned by parts of society

[GermanWatcher]

65. Reading comprehension suffers with sleep deprivation

Guess I´m better off to bed...

[malaise]

66. Have a good rest