Monsanto's Roundup Weedkiller Linked to Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and ALS

[nationalize the fed]

A new study reveals that glyphosate, the main ingredient in Monsanto's popular herbicide, alters DNA function that correlates to a number of diseases.

Alternet, July 19, 2016

A review of the scientific literature links glyphosate, one of the most popular weed killers in the U.S. and the active ingredient in Roundup, to a wide range of diseases through a mechanism that modifies DNA functioning, adding a new even more troubling dimension to the herbicide’s cancer classification by the International Agency for Research on Cancer. According to the most recent review, Glyphosate pathways to modern disease V: Amino acid analogue of glycine in diverse proteins, conducted by independent scientists Anthony Samsel, Ph.D. and Stephanie Seneff, Ph.D., a scientist at Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), glyphosate acts as a glycine analogue that incorporates into peptides during protein synthesis. In this process, it alters a number of proteins that depend on conserved glycine for proper function. According to the authors, glyphosate substitution for glycine correlates with several diseases, including diabetes, obesity, asthma, Alzheimer’s disease, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), and Parkinson’s disease, among others.



Glycine, the smallest amino acid commonly found in proteins, has unique properties that support flexibility and the ability to anchor to the plasma membrane or the cytoskeleton. This new direct biological evidence, taken together with correlational data, make a compelling case that glyphosate action as a glycine analogue accounts for much of glyphosate’s toxicity, according to the study. The authors find that glyphosate, as an amino acid analogue of glycine, may be incorporated into polypeptide chains during protein synthesis. In doing so, it has an impact on the structure and function of the proteins. Proteins fold up, and glycine is a small molecule that is often found at the folding places. Since glyphosate is much larger, it prevents the protein molecule from folding properly, leading to the disruption of function of many proteins with essential roles in metabolism and regulatory processes.

The article cites a number of ways that this affects humans and other organisms. According to the study, the consequences of this action can lead to impaired fatty acid release leading to obesity, impaired insulin receptor response leading to diabetes, impaired one-carbon metabolism leading to neural tube defects and autism, impaired cell cycle control during DNA synthesis, and disregulated phosphorylation cascades leading to cancer, lung disorders, and autoimmune diseases.



Stephen Frantz, Ph.D., a pathobiologist research scientist explains it like this: “When a cell is trying to form proteins, it may grab glyphosate instead of glycine to form a damaged, mis-folded protein. After that it’s medical chaos. Where glyphosate replaces glycine, the cell can no longer conduct business as usual causing unpredicted consequences with many diseases and disorders as a result.”...snip
Read More: http://www.alternet.org/food/monsantos-roundup-weedkiller-changes-dna-function-causing-chronic-disease

[Person 2713]

1. The sugar and wheat starch could also have glyphosate if it was the US ....looks like the

Netherlands (or IReland,Great Britain requires it)
has GMO labeling and with this product, the sugar is not GMO
Wait labeling? Their food industries must be monetarily failing and the country in unfounded chaos if they have labeling

[Cryptoad]

5. almost all wheat is GMO

[Elmergantry]

7. Utter Bullshit

There is no GMO wheat seed on the market.

[Person 2713]

10. It can be glysophate sprayed pre harvest but this product is from the Netherlands

[HeartoftheMidwest]

13. Wheat is sprayed with Roundup before harvesting....

....to make it ripen faster.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jenny-dewey-rohrich/the-truth-about-toxic-wheat_b_6180498.html

But not ALL wheat farmers use the practice:
"Pre-harvesting wheat with glyphosate (most commonly Roundup) is not something the majority of wheat farmers across the nation do. There is a small sector and region of wheat production that practices this: mainly North Dakota, small parts of South Dakota, and parts of Canada. In the United States, North Dakota represents about 5% of total wheat acres produced. We are, however, the second hard red spring wheat producer in the nation. So the claim that this occurs everywhere is not at all valid or true since only about 5% of the total production practices this pre-harvesting."

But some do:
"But on top of not having to maintain or run another piece of equipment, one of the biggest advantages is that pre-harvesting with glyphosate allows very even ripening of the wheat. Glyphosate has been shown to reduce the amount of time that it takes for a crop to reach harvest moisture if conditions are not favorable for drying. Even ripening is important to maintain quality (test weight) in our wheat crop. Some years it is a more viable practice in heavy or lodged wheat (basically wheat that has fallen down) or uneven emergence after planting. We also have the added benefit of an opportunity to control weeds pre-harvest with a glyphosate application. "

It's possibly this practice that was referenced above.

[Elmergantry]

16. that does not make wheat "GMO"

Roundup KILLS wheat, does not make it "Genetically Modified" any more than dousing me with roundup make me genetically modified.

Good Lord...

[HeartoftheMidwest]

94. If you'll read what I actually wrote...

...nowhere did I say wheat was a GMO crop.

I was merely underscoring the fact that some wheat is now routinely sprayed with Roundup ( glyphosphate ) and that wheat products in the US may be contaminated with glyphosphate. I think other posters may have made the "wheat in the US is GMO" statement.

And Roundup IS dangerous.

[TexasBushwhacker]

8. Soy and corn too n/t

[womanofthehills]

11. Actually, the wheat is not GMO but it is sprayed with Roundup a week before harvest to dry it out

so the majority of the wheat in the USA is contaminated with glyphosate. People normally think, Roundup is just used on GMO foods but it is used on the majority of non organic foods in the USA. The glyphosate is so widespread, that now most of the organic wheat is also contaminated from drift. Many farmer's will not eat their own wheat.

Why is glyphosate sprayed on crops right before harvest?


Farmers use glyphosate on crops such as wheat, oats, and edible beans right before harvest, raising concerns that the herbicide could get into food products

EXCERPT: “We are told these (glyphosate residues) are too small to matter but can we believe that?” the Saskatchewan farmer asked. “I think everyone, even farmers that use and love glyphosate, would rather not eat a loaf of bread with glyphosate in it.”

—
http://www.gmwatch.org/news/latest-news/16770-why-is-glyphosate-sprayed-on-crops-right-before-harvest

[Elmergantry]

17. so the majority of the wheat in the USA is contaminated with glyphosate

I doubt it. Not a common practice.

[womanofthehills]

25. Actually, Tropical Traditions - only sells organic and could barely find wheat without glyphosate

Western Wyoming was one of the few places that had glyphosate free organic wheat.

ALERT: Certified Organic Food Grown in U.S. Found Contaminated with Glyphosate Herbicide

Tropical Traditions has sold organic grains for years. After reading new research about the issue of “crop desiccation” done by using glyphosate on wheat and other grains just prior to harvest, Tropical Traditions decided to first test some commercial wheat products with wheat grown in Montana, North Dakota, and Canada. They sent the commercial samples to a well-known and respected laboratory to test for glyphosate.

All tested positive for glyphosate residue. The range was from 0.07 mg/kg to 0.09 mg/kg. Keep in mind this is glyphosate found in non-GMO crops. For a GMO crop such as GMO soybeans, which are sprayed heavily with glyphosate, the range is typically between 3.3 and 5.7 mg/kg. (Source.)

Next, Tropical Traditions tested the USDA certified organic grains from suppliers they had been using, sourced mainly from western states such as Montana and Idaho. Sadly, the presence of glyphosate residue was found in organic wheat and other organic grains, including organic barley, oats, spelt, and einkorn. The range was from 0.03 to 0.06 mg/kg, just slightly lower than the conventional grains that were tested.
The only organic grains that tested clean were organic rye and organic millet. There was also one variety of organic wheat from small-scale farmers in Wisconsin that tested clean from glyphosate.

[Major Nikon]

2. Same researcher claimed GMOs were going to make everyone autistic

http://www.anh-usa.org/half-of-all-children-will-be-autistic-by-2025-warns-senior-research-scientist-at-mit/
Stephanie Seneff is a computer scientist.

Another day, another easily debunked set of "research" from the anti-GMO crowd.

[HuckleB]

3. And she says GMOs cause concussions, too!

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/seneff-claims-gmos-cause-concussions/

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PS: Samsel and Seneff completely debunked: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028032090

[Archae]

4. The problem is there is no real penalty for being spectacularly wrong.

Even Andrew Wakefield, although he lost his medical license, is still making money hand over fist from his bullshit.

Wakefield has been discredited completely in actual medical groups.

Yet...his groupies still believe every word he says, and even make total shit "documentaries" with him.

Someone here posted a "BREAKING NEWS STORY!!!" that Poland had banned GMO's.
So? This is the same government that has as one of it's top people a religious leader who is a vicious anti-Semite.

[HuckleB]

30. Nor is there any penalty at DU for ugly attacks against posters who prefer science.

It's really sad.

And it's embarrassing that this debunked nonsense has 37 likes at DU.

[womanofthehills]

59. Again Projection on who is making ugly attacks!!!

[HuckleB]

61. There's no projection.

You might not actually realize that, but there is no projection.

[womanofthehills]

162. Guess the lawyers against Monsanto have some "good science."

Lawsuits Mount Against Monsanto's 'Cancer-Causing' Weedkiller

Looks like the cancer lawsuits against Monsanto are gaining country-wide momentum. Reuters reports that personal injury law firms around the U.S. are gathering numerous plaintiffs to build "mass tort actions" alleging that exposure to the company's popular weedkiller, Roundup, causes cancer.

"We can prove that Monsanto knew about the dangers of glyphosate," Michael McDivitt, whose Colorado law firm is arranging cases for 50 individuals, told Reuters. "There are a lot of studies showing glyphosate causes these cancers."

http://www.ecowatch.com/lawsuits-mount-against-monsantos-cancer-causing-weedkiller-1882107602.html

[HuckleB]

165. Courts don't do science well, and they haven't even won anything.

So you might want to stop pretending, since your lawyers have been debunked her over and over again.

PS: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028032090

[womanofthehills]

57. Many other countries have also banned GMO's - Poland is joining the long list

Official GM crop cultivation bans:

Africa (2)

The picture on GM cultivation bans across Africa is not clear due to the current pressure being put on many African governments by the Biotech industry and the Gates Foundation to lift long-standing bans on the import of unmilled GMO seeds or unmilled GMO food aid, however two countries do still have full legal bans on GM crop cultivation:

Algeria (since 2000)

Madagascar (since 2002)

Asia (4)

Turkey,

Kyrgyzstan

Bhutan

Saudi Arabia

Americas (4)

Belize

Peru

Ecuador

Venezuela

Europe (28)

Scotland

Wales

Northern Ireland

Germany

France

The Netherlands

Malta

Cyprus

Greece

Bulgaria

Russia

Serbia

Croatia

Italy

Denmark

Hungary

Moldova

Latvia

Lithuania

Austria

Poland

Slovenia

Azerbaijan

Bosnia and Herzegovina

Luxembourg

Ukraine (although there is massive GM contamination in the country)

Norway

Switzerland

[HuckleB]

93. So you acknowledge that many European politicians aren't very good at science.

Got it.

[womanofthehills]

14. sciencebasedmedicine is run by a corporate shill -

[HuckleB]

28. Once again, you are not being honest at all.

That's not ok.

BTW, your heroes have been shown to be the frauds they are by many, many people.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028032090

[womanofthehills]

35. Projection again!!!

[HuckleB]

38. You are not being honest about Science Based Medicine. There is no projection.

That's just reality.

BTW, your heroes have been shown to be the frauds they are.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028032090

[womanofthehills]

58. Your reality - definitely not mine

[HuckleB]

62. I live in the real world, where science, ethics, and honesty matter.

So I appreciate your confession.

[ProfessorGAC]

88. So, You're Admitting To Your Own Personal Reality?

Interesting.

[Major Nikon]

73. Bullshit

[womanofthehills]

12. Here is a great video of Dr. Seneff of M.I.T. explaining her research

Tom Hartman interviews Dr. Stephanie Seneff earlier this month at Ring of Fire. She talks about glyphosate disrupting the gut microbes - how Roundup effects the uptake of vitamins and minerals. Of course, Monsanto would debunk this research - they sell over 4 billion dollars a yr of Roundup.

[HuckleB]

67. Correction: Here is a video of a con artist babbling.

Last edited Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:44 AM - Edit history (1)

Reality: http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2013/04/30/is_glyphosate_poisoning_everyone

[Major Nikon]

72. I guess that she's even more batshit crazy than the anti-vaxxers doesn't phase you much

Not to mention she did exactly zero research on glyphosate. None of it is "her" research.

[keithbvadu2]

6. Monsanto Advocate Says Roundup Is Safe Enough To Drink,

Monsanto Advocate Says Roundup Is Safe Enough To Drink, Then Refuses To Drink It

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/27/monsanto-roundup-patrick-moore_n_6956034.html

[PatSeg]

15. I saw that video

People should be more careful about what they claim!

[villager]

26. As would any of the dispatched posters here. nt

[Major Nikon]

75. So if someone pointed out the fact that human urine is safe to drink...

...and they refused to actually drink it, then this must somehow invalidate the fact?

Glyphosate is less toxic than culinary vinegar, and it just isn't that hard to prove.

[keithbvadu2]

98. So drink a few cups of it.

Surely there will be a television station that will air it and verify the product consumed.

[Major Nikon]

99. ...

[keithbvadu2]

100. Very well. I called your bluff and you backed down.

[Major Nikon]

101. Bullshit

I asked you a question which you refused to answer.

[MohRokTah]

9. "Condemning Monsanto With Bad Science Is Dumb"

Condemning Monsanto With Bad Science Is Dumb

Did you see the latest indictment of Monsanto making the rounds? It’s a “peer-reviewed” paper in the journal Entropy, co-authored by Anthony Samsel and Stephanie Seneff, blaming glyphosate, the compound in the herbicide Roundup, for virtually all the ills that can befall us.

...

Slog through their argument (and, please, if you take this seriously, read the paper!), and you find it boils down to two things. Glyphosate, they claim, 1) inhibits CYP enzymes, which are active in lots of metabolic processes, and 2) disrupts gut bacteria, which are susceptible to its mechanism (disrupting the shikimate pathway), even though humans are not. Therefore, any condition that involves metabolic processes or gut bacteria must be affected by glyphosate exposure. QED!

Here’s the list of ills they blame, at least in part, on Roundup: inflammatory bowel disease, obesity, Alzheimer’s, autism, anorexia, dementia, depression, Parkinson’s, reproductive issues, liver diseases and cancer.

The evidence for these mechanisms, and their impact on human health, is all but nonexistent. The authors base their claim about CYP enzymes on two studies, one of liver cells and one of placental cells, which report endocrine disruptions when those cells are exposed to glyphosate. Neither study is CYP-specific (The effect of pesticides on CYP enzymes, by contrast, has been studied specifically.) As for the gut bacteria, there appears to be no research at all on glyphosate’s effect on them.

...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tamar-haspel/condemning-monsanto-with-_b_3162694.html

[womanofthehills]

18. All the progressive lawyers over at Ring of Fire disagree with you

the lawsuits are coming big time - They would not be coming if there was not good evidence. Why are you for Monsanto?

Monsanto’s Roundup Labeled Cancer-Causing in California

[MohRokTah]

22. They are wrong.

Ring of Fire is a hotbed of CT woo nonsense.

BTW, under CA Prop 65, Stainless Steel pots must be labeled as cancer causing.

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/athome/cancer-warning-labels-based-on-californias-proposition-65

[womanofthehills]

29. Maybe because some scrap metals have weapons grade plutonium and uranium

Actually, there is weapons grade uranium and plutonium in some metals - I guess that would cause cancer. I don't need a double dose by putting glyphosate contaminated food in my steel plutonium pot. Better take your geiger counter when you go shopping,

Nuclear Risks at Bed, Bath & Beyond Show Dangers of Scrap

Going shopping? Don’t forget your wallet and credit card. Or Geiger counter.

The discovery of radioactive tissue boxes at Bed, Bath & Beyond Inc. stores in January raised alarms among nuclear security officials and company executives over the growing global threat of contaminated scrap metal.

[MohRokTah]

32. "Glyphosate contaminated food"

[womanofthehills]

41. The FDA Will Begin Testing Food for Glyphosate, the Most Heavily Used Farm Chemical Ever

Only because they were forced to. Can you believe the FDA said they didn't test in the past because the equipment was too expensive.
Talk about being in bed with Monsanto. The FDA will start with the most contaminated foods first - eggs, soy, corn, milk - plus undisclosed others.

MohRokTah - can you explain to me why you find this so funny"

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration confirmed on Thursday that it would begin testing for residues of the controversial herbicide glyphosate on foods sold in the U.S. for the first time this year. Glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup, is widely sprayed on American farms, and is the most-used agricultural chemical in the world. It has been labeled “probably carcinogenic to humans” by the United Nations’ International Agency for Research on Cancer, though a European food safety agency has disputed those claims.

The FDA says it didn’t test food for glyphosate in the past because the “available methods” would have been “very cost- and labor-intensive to implement.”
http://www.newsweek.com/fda-will-begin-testing-food-glyphosate-most-heavily-used-farm-chemical-ever-428790

[MohRokTah]

42. Actually, the waste of money to test for it is staggering. eom

[Major Nikon]

103. Yet another example of how stupid pseudoscience nonsense like the OP costs you money

[womanofthehills]

152. So you believe our food supply should not be tested for herbicides and chemicals.

You think it's a waste of money. That's kind of a Republican point of view - no regulations or tests on our food supply.

[MohRokTah]

153. Nope, it is an incredible waste of money.

If you don't wash your fresh fruit and vegetables then you are just being stupid.

Also, the fresh fruits and vegetables that have the most poisonous carcinogens all over them are always labeled "Organic".

[womanofthehills]

163. Glyphosate is systemic in food and cannot be washed off

freezing and cooking does not eliminate it

[MohRokTah]

164. Bullshit. eom

[Major Nikon]

106. Same poster complained about glyphosate measured in wine in ppb

So in other words they are terrified a trace of something that probably causes cancer doesn't cause cancer is contaminating something that definitely causes cancer. You can't make shit up this funny.

[womanofthehills]

33. Actually, Mike Papantonio of Ring of Fire is listed as one of the best lawyers in America

but you think Ring of Fire, a progressive Democratic site is woo.

Michael Papantonio, popularly known as Mike Papantonio, is an American attorney and radio talk show host. He is past president of The National Trial Lawyers, the most prestigious trial lawyer association in America; and is one of few living attorneys inducted into the Trial Lawyer Hall of Fame.

Papantonio is noted for his success in mass torts, product liability, personal injury, and wrongful death cases, and has returned numerous jury verdicts of multi-million dollar damages for injured persons. He is a Board Certified Civil Trial Lawyer by the Florida Bar and the National Board of Trial Advocacy. He is a fellow in the International Academy of Trial Lawyers and the International Society of Barristers. He is a member of the American Board of Trial Advocates; the American Association for Justice; the Southern Trial Lawyers Association; and the Florida Justice Association, where he served on the Board of Directors for five years.

Papantonio has been listed in the publication Best Lawyers in America since 1999, and has written several books, including Resurrecting Aesop: Fables Lawyers Should Remember; Clarence Darrow, the Journeyman; and In Search of Atticus Finch, A Motivational Book for Lawyers, as well as Defenses You Can Count on in an Asbestosis Case and How to Prove a Sick Building Case. He also co-authored Closing Arguments–The Last Battle with Fred Levin.


Papantonio says he wrote In Search of Atticus Finch as a “wake-up call to the legal profession that has largely lost its moral compass” and has said that “seventy percent of kids coming out of law school want to represent corporations and get paid exorbitant amounts of money.” “They’re willing to sell their souls to the highest bidder. We need to bring more quality to what we do as lawyers, we need to be better servants to the community and we need to have more political involvement for positive change in the country.”

[MohRokTah]

36. He's tainted by association with RFK Jr.

Like I said, conspiracy theory woo.

The entire Ring of Fire show is crap and everybody on it cannot be trusted in anything they say.

Ring of Fire is the Infowars of the Left.

[womanofthehills]

44. Actually, many people have been injured by vaccines and RFK Jr has represented them

That is why there is a federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. I am not against vaccines, but there is a small percentage of people who are injured and die from vaccines.

Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP)

This webpage provides information on how to file a vaccine injury claim, links and resources on vaccine injury compensation to aid those who believe that they have suffered a vaccine injury and to raise awareness of the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.

NVIC's co-founders worked with Congress on the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, which acknowledged that vaccine injuries and deaths are real and that the vaccine injured and their families should be financially supported and that vaccine safety protections were needed in the mass vaccination system.

The law preserved the right for vaccine injured persons to bring a lawsuit in the court system if federal compensation is denied or is not sufficient. By 2010, the U.S. Court of Claims had awarded nearly $3 billion dollars to vaccine victims for their catastrophic vaccine injuries, although two out of three applicants have been denied
http://www.nvic.org/injury-compensation.aspx

Here is the US Dept of Health and Human Services site: http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/
National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

From the US Dept of Health and Human Services - the vaccine injury table http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccineinjurytable.pdf

[MohRokTah]

45. RFK Jr. is an anti-vaxxer nutcase pushing the phony auism bullshit.

He's a disgrace.

[womanofthehills]

56. Actually, the government Vaccine Court does compensate for autism - from CBS News

The federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, better known as “vaccine court,” awarded 1.5 million autism claim

The first court award in a vaccine-autism claim is a big one. CBS News has learned the family of Hannah Poling will receive more than $1.5 million dollars for her life care; lost earnings; and pain and suffering for the first year alone.

In addition to the first year, the family will receive more than $500,000 per year to pay for Hannah's care. Those familiar with the case believe the compensation could easily amount to $20 million over the child's lifetime.

Hannah was described as normal, happy and precocious in her first 18 months.

Then, in July 2000, she was vaccinated against nine diseases in one doctor's visit: measles, mumps, rubella, polio, varicella, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, and Haemophilus influenzae.

Afterward, her health declined rapidly. She developed high fevers, stopped eating, didn't respond when spoken to, began showing signs of autism, and began having screaming fits. In 2002, Hannah's parents filed an autism claim in federal vaccine court. Five years later, the government settled the case before trial and had it sealed. It's taken more than two years for both sides to agree on how much Hannah will be compensated for her injuries.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-to-receive-15m-plus-in-first-ever-vaccine-autism-court-award/

[MohRokTah]

60. Yet Autism has never been caused by vaccines.

This is the result of nuts pushing anti-science bullshit, not vaccines actually causing autism.

[Major Nikon]

77. So you're an anti-vaxxer also

Can't say that I'm surprised.

[womanofthehills]

81. I never said that -

Most people do fine with vaccines, but there is a compensation program for the few who don't.

[Major Nikon]

83. So why are you working so hard trying to defend JFK Jr's anti-vax nuttery?

[HuckleB]

90. Well, it's not the first time she's pushed anti-vaccine nonsense.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022933992#post44

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11428095#post2

[Major Nikon]

95. Gotta love being able to have your cake and eat it too

Someone who dares to call bullshit on obvious bullshit is a "Monsanto lover", but someone who vigorously defends a batshit crazy anti-vaxxer's anti-vax nonsense isn't an anti-vaxxer.

[HuckleB]

96. It is truly amazing, indeed.

This morning I was told that pointing out the problems with Samsel and Seneff's silliness means I think glyphosate is "Yummy goodness" etc...

I have to laugh. What else can one do?

[HuckleB]

91. Your status as an anti-vaccine promoter is well known.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022933992#post44

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11428095#post2

[HuckleB]

39. The last time you promoted that guy and that page, it didn't work out so well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027828754

You know, there's this whole evidence and science pieces of the puzzle. You really have to stop ignoring those.

[womanofthehills]

49. Of course you would not like a lawyer who goes after polluters

Polluters Beware

Papantonio is fresh off helping the small town of Spelter, W.Va., win one of the largest environmental cases in the country. It will force DuPont Co. to clean up a smoldering, menacing pile of black toxic waste that has poisoned the water, the ground, the air, residents--everything--for almost a century. The 112-acres of waste piled as high as 100-feet reminds Papantonio of a passage in "Dante's Inferno" describing hell. https://www.levinlaw.com/news/polluters-beware

JURY VERDICTS

$1 Billion in Defective Product Case
$480 Million in Defective Product Case
$380 Million in Environmental Pollution Case
$42 Million in Defective Drug Case
$42 Million in Fraud Case
$31 Million in Medical Malpractice Case
$25 Million in Defective Drug Case
$18 Million in Train Derailment
$12.6 Million in Truck Accident
$10 Million in Breach of Contract

[HuckleB]

51. Of course, you would go with a red herring.

You know you can't support your claims on the topic that is actually being discussed. Nor can your lawyer friend, who has aligned himself with anti-vaccine nonsense, as well as bad propaganda on this topic. Of course, that was all shown extensively on the thread to which I linked, and yet you continue to promote that nonsense.

[HuckleB]

92. And they would be wrong, and not progressive.

http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2013/04/30/is_glyphosate_poisoning_everyone

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028032090

[womanofthehills]

21. You are on a liberal site saying it's dumb to condemn Monsanto

How did you become a Monsanto lover? I'm really curious.

[MohRokTah]

23. I love good science, not Monsanto. eom

[womanofthehills]

34. So what is the good science that says we should eat Roundup?

[MohRokTah]

37. Good science says the "study" in the OP is complete bullshit because the morons...

who wrote the "paper" conducted no study at all. They wrote a shitload of nonsense, though.

[Major Nikon]

97. It's pretty dumb to pretend the crook, Percy Schmeiser is a hero

Kinda funny how the anti-GMO movement idolizes a dipshit who intentionally seeded his fields with stolen Monsanto seed and then claims his farm was 'contaminated'.

Origin of the patented seed in Schmeiser's fields

As established in the original Federal Court trial decision, Percy Schmeiser, a canola breeder and grower in Bruno, Saskatchewan, first discovered Roundup-resistant canola in his crops in 1997.[4] He had used Roundup herbicide to clear weeds around power poles and in ditches adjacent to a public road running beside one of his fields, and noticed that some of the canola which had been sprayed had survived. Schmeiser then performed a test by applying Roundup to an additional 3 acres (12,000 m2) to 4 acres (16,000 m2) of the same field. He found that 60% of the canola plants survived. At harvest time, Schmeiser instructed a farmhand to harvest the test field. That seed was stored separately from the rest of the harvest, and used the next year to seed approximately 1,000 acres (4 km²) of canola.

At the time, Roundup Ready canola was in use by several farmers in the area. Schmeiser claimed that he did not plant the initial Roundup Ready canola in 1997, and that his field of custom-bred canola had been accidentally contaminated. While the origin of the plants on Schmeiser's farm in 1997 remains unclear, the trial judge found that with respect to the 1998 crop, "none of the suggested sources [proposed by Schmeiser] could reasonably explain the concentration or extent of Roundup Ready canola of a commercial quality" ultimately present in Schmeiser's 1998 crop.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc_v_Schmeiser

[Equinox Moon]

19. All these poisions are killing our beautiful planet

I grieve.

[Botany]

159. The damage done by non native invasive plants is far far greater to our beutiful planet ....

.... then the supposed damage done by round up.

[Archae]

20. This article has as much real science as Ken Ham's religious tourist traps.

"You just gotta BELIEVE!"

Especially when two of the "researchers" are shown to be absolute idiots.

[womanofthehills]

24. I "BELIEVE" the lawsuits have "some real science"

U.S. lawsuits build against Monsanto over alleged Roundup cancer link

Personal injury law firms around the United States are lining up plaintiffs for what they say could be "mass tort" actions against agrichemical giant Monsanto Co that claim the company's Roundup herbicide has caused cancer in farm workers and others exposed to the chemical.

The latest lawsuit was filed Wednesday in Delaware Superior Court by three law firms representing three plaintiffs.

The lawsuit is similar to others filed last month in New York and California accusing Monsanto of long knowing that the main ingredient in Roundup, glyphosate, was hazardous to human health. Monsanto "led a prolonged campaign of misinformation to convince government agencies, farmers and the general population that Roundup was safe," the lawsuit states.

The litigation follows the World Health Organization's declaration in March that there was sufficient evidence to classify glyphosate as "probably carcinogenic to humans."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-monsanto-lawsuits-idUSKCN0S92H720151015

[Major Nikon]

76. The most liberal federal court in the nation has already dismissed most of the claims from one suit

https://cases.justia.com/federal/district-courts/california/casdce/3:2015cv02279/486665/37/0.pdf?ts=1462008805

Kinda hard to claim glyphosate causes cancer when the EPA says it doesn't so the lawsuits you keep touting have about as much chance as a fart in a tornado. When those sure losers lose, I'm sure you're going to announce that information, right?

[womanofthehills]

112. EPA takes offline report that says glyphosate not likely carcinogenic

Looks like the EPA might be changing their mind. The Corporations are really upset the report came down and are pressuring Congress.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency on Monday pulled a report offline that concluded glyphosate is not likely to be carcinogenic to humans, saying the document was inadvertently published and the agency had not finished its review of the chemical, which is the key ingredient in Monsanto's herbicides.

The EPA took down the report and other documents on Monday afternoon, saying it did so "because our assessment is not final," in an emailed statement to Reuters. The agency said the documents were "preliminary" and that they were published "inadvertently."

[Major Nikon]

117. Bullshit

The EPA will officially publish the report after the peer review process which is now going on. When that happens you will conveniently ignore it just like you do with the WHO, the EFSA, and every other competent authority on the subject in favor of bullshit from your favorite loony sources.

[loyalsister]

169. And the fact that the largest generation is aging can't possibly have anything to do with it

There are valid criticisms of Mansanto, but trying to take advantage of the grief of individuals and families who are experiencing natural events that come with aging is disgustingly cynical.

[Warpy]

27. Yes because those diseases never occurred before Roundup went on the market.

[womanofthehills]

50. Actually, autism is increasing big time - 6 to 15 per cent each year

[Marr]

54. Increased diagnosis doesn't necessarily mean the condition is getting more common.

It just means more doctors are diagnosing, some might even say overdiagnosing, the condition.

[HuckleB]

55. Well, we have that figured out already.

http://kfolta.blogspot.com/2013/02/organic-food-causes-autism.html

[womanofthehills]

63. HuckleB - I really don't want to read your blogspot by Kevin Folta

[HuckleB]

65. Once again, you attack honest, ethical scientists.

Do you have any sense of decency?

We already know you have no sense of humor.

[Warpy]

74. Differential diagnosis is increasing

and includes people formerly called nerds or oddballs or whatever the approved word for having an extremely limited ability to learn is today.

By the way, autism is neither Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, nor ALS. Just thought you ought to know.

[Duppers]

109. From the article...

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"The article cites a number of ways that this affects humans and other organisms. According to the study, the consequences of this action can lead to impaired fatty acid release leading to obesity, impaired insulin receptor response leading to diabetes, impaired one-carbon metabolism leading to neural tube defects and autism, impaired cell cycle control during DNA synthesis, and disregulated ..."


So, "just thought you ought to know."

[HuckleB]

110. The article is the worst type of pseudoscience around.

Quoting it to support some notion or another is not helping anyone.

You can find the reality about the content of this ludicrous OP here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028032090

[RapSoDee]

177. Deflection increased 1,000,000,000,000,000%

when the corporate trolls were given instruction to flood the internet to try and distract people from paying attention to the ugly diseases caused by the chemicals.

It's a pretty skeezy technique, any fair-minded person would instantly agree.

[milestogo]

31. People toss Roundup around like it was water.

It totally freaks me out.

[HuckleB]

40. Where the heck do you live where people do that?

[Archae]

43. They don't.

This "toss Roundup around like water" is propaganda from the anti-GMO loons like the Food Babe.

MAYBE...

In really backwater third-world countries, they misuse Roundup, the same way they misuse just about anything.

In India, some grain that was intended for ONLY being planted was used for food instead, and many died and were sickened.

[HuckleB]

48. That's what it turned out to be, apparently.

[milestogo]

46. I know gardeners who use it liberally to kill weeds.

[HuckleB]

47. Ah, the unsupported Internet anecdote.

[Major Nikon]

78. Using a product for exactly what it was designed for. Whodathunkit?

[jmowreader]

85. Which is why France no longer allows its sale to the general public

Licensed applicators can get it, but gardeners cannot.

War story follows: Home Depot at least used to sell gallon jugs of Roundup Pro. They still might, but the only reason I go to that part of Home Depot anymore is it's where they stock the green scouring pads I clean my plate processors with. You're SUPPOSED to dilute the living shit out of Roundup Pro; the ag mix rate is 22 ounces Roundup Pro to 10 gallons of water, which is enough to spray an acre of field. So...in comes a customer who bought four gallons of Roundup Pro. Okay, no real problem; we were cheaper than a farm supply store so quite a few farmers were buying it from us. Uh-uh, not this maniac: This fucking guy sprayed it at full strength and wound up killing all the trees in his yard. And then he comes to see ME - me, who's never seen him before in either of our lives because I sold lumber - to scream about how we sold him the most dangerous thing in the entire world.

"Yes sir. Could I ask how you used the product, please?"
'I poured it into my spray bottle and sprayed it on my weeds.'
"Directly out of the jug?"
'Yeah. How the hell are you supposed to use this?'
"You put a tablespoon of Roundup in a quart of water. At most. Lots of people use a third of that and still kill all the weeds they want. This is super strong farmer Roundup."

We very quickly learned to put the farmer Roundup in a place the customers couldn't get to, and to qualify the customers who thought they wanted it.

The other problem with Roundup in the hands of an amateur gardener is the way they tend to use it. Roundup is a post-emergence herbicide - which means it must be sprayed on plants that have come through the soil. There are pre-emergence herbicides you can spray on the ground to keep weeds from coming up in the first place. I've had customers spray Roundup pre-emergence. Pre-emergence Roundup doesn't work at all, but that doesn't stop people.

There are things homeowners should not have, and Roundup is REAL high on the list.

[Major Nikon]

102. The reason actually had a lot more to do with politics than anything that approached sound reasoning

If we banned the sale of household chemicals because some people are too stupid to use them, you wouldn't be able to buy white vinegar at the grocery store.

[womanofthehills]

64. People think if it's on the shelf in the store

it must be ok. Some people put Roundup on their lawn and then let their toddlers walk on it. Roundup gets tracked into the house on peoples shoes contaminating their rugs. Then, the poor kids and dog play on the rug getting a nice dose of Roundup. Many pesticides degrade very slowly without heat or sun.

[Major Nikon]

84. What kind of a moron puts roundup on their lawn?

Where do you even come up with this nonsense?

[bvar22]

104. What kind of idiot would deny RoundUp is used extensively in the suburbs?

...especially in the "upscale" suburbs with manicured lawns.


https://www.youtube.com/user/roundupbrand

Google: "RoundUp for your yard".... and be amazed.

[Major Nikon]

105. What kind of idiot would claim I denied that?

If someone sprayed Roundup on their lawn, it wouldn't be manicured.

Google: "How does the herbicide Roundup work?".... and be amazed.

[NuclearDem]

108. I found the idea of people spraying Roundup willy-nilly in the suburbs quite amusing.

It's a lot more entertaining than what most of us actually do, with just using a crabgrass preventer with the first spring fertilizer application, taking care of any emergent weeds with a whacker, and maybe using a spray herbicide on the ones growing in the cracks of the sidewalks and driveways.

Bonus points for the idea that a lawn with hideous dead patches in it is considered "manicured."

[womanofthehills]

111. Have you never had a lawn? Millions of people spray Roundup on the weeds in their lawn.

As to your question "What type of moron puts Roundup on their lawns?" I bet most of the people at the Republican Convention do.

"To keep Bermudagrass out of your non-Bermudagrass lawn, mow your grass higher than 11/2 inches. Water your grass regularly and spot-treat any patches of Bermudagrass with Roundup® Ready-To-Use Weed & Grass Killer III in the Pump 'N Go® Sprayer. You'll have to reseed, of course. For more information, read How and where do I apply Roundup® brand products? Also, it's a good idea to fertilize your lawn in the fall to help your grass compete in the spring. "

http://www.roundup.com/smg/goART3/Howto/bermudagrass-control/27800031

[Major Nikon]

116. The key word being weeds, not lawn

[HuckleB]

118. Of course, if you use it on the weeds in your lawn, you will probably kill lawn, too.

Which is why most people don't use it for that, but...

[Major Nikon]

125. Kinda funny how someone panics over the possibility that glyphosate MIGHT get tracked on their rug

...out of a mortal fear it probably is carcinogenic isn't carcinogenic because the IARC classified it. Meanwhile they readily admit to drinking beverage alcohol which the IARC has said is definitely carcinogenic which isn't disputable. I guess chemophobia has to take a back seat to the desire to get a good wine buzz. Funny how that works.

[HuckleB]

132. That poster doesn't appear to take the IARC seriously, though.

She's up in the middle of the night, much of the time. She may not be a shift worker, but she sure treats her sleep schedule as if she were one.

https://monographs.iarc.fr/ENG/Publications/techrep42/TR42-20.pdf

[Major Nikon]

156. Certainly didn't take the IARC seriously when they said the Seralini rat study was shit

The IARC specifically rejected Seralini's study in the very same monograph where they classified glyphosate, yet somehow it's still the gold standard of evidence.

Very telling how they pick and choose their information, even when it comes from the exact same place.

[Squinch]

127. It's sold as a home weed killer. Why do you think it's not on people's lawns?

[Major Nikon]

128. Weed =/ lawn

If someone put roundup on their lawn, they would not have a lawn.

[Squinch]

129. Seriously? You couldn't figure out what the poster was talking about? This is like the

"it's not a clip it's a magazine" argument. Just as ridiculous.

[Major Nikon]

130. Seriously? You couldn't figure out what the poster was talking about?

They were specifically panicking over people putting glyphosate on their "lawn" where it might be tracked into the home and subsequently give them cancer (even though it can't). The part you got right is it is ridiculous. Are you actually supporting this nonsense?

[Squinch]

131. Yes. And yes, I understand, from the fact that you and one other turn up in every thread

that suggests that roundup might be problematic, that you don't support this.

Yes. We know you don't support it. You don't even like people to mention it. Any opposition to roundup makes you very, very jumpy.

Roundup is a poison. You can tell yourself whatever you want.

[HuckleB]

136. So you are opposed to poisons.

Let's see all your posts where you fight the good fight against other poisons, such as those used on organic crops.

Thanks!

[Squinch]

139. Roundup is a poison. You know it and I know it. The difference is that you are hysterically

fighting against anyone who mentions that obvious fact.

[HuckleB]

141. So you only "care" about one product.

In other words, you aren't really against poisons. You just like popular silliness. Thanks for the clarification.

In the meantime, I'll note that you are possibly helping to bring back more toxic products. Awesome job, there!

http://www.crediblehulk.org/index.php/2015/06/02/about-those-more-caustic-herbicides-that-glyphosate-helped-replace-by-credible-hulk/

PS: https://camiryan.com/2014/03/05/the-dose-makes-the-poison/

Again, do you support the pseudoscience claims made in the OP?

[Major Nikon]

172. It's an obvious fact in the same way salt and vinegar is a "poison"

Actually less so since both of those things are more toxic than roundup.

http://weedcontrolfreaks.com/2014/06/salt-vinegar-and-glyphosate/

[Major Nikon]

154. I understand you have a passionate desire to defend complete bullshit like the OP

There are also people who show up every time in the anti-vax threads to denouce that bullshit as well. I get that you think bullshit should be spread unfettered around here, but not everyone shares that thought.

Calling something "poison" without reference to dose is utterly meaningless and simply demonstrates ignorance. Water is "poison" in the right dose.

"The likelihood that a person uses the word "toxin" correlates strongly with how much Chemistry the person does *not* know."
-- Neil deGrasse Tyson

[Squinch]

157. I have said, which seems to terrify you, that Roundup is a poison that is damaging to people.

If you see that as "a passionate desire" or a feeling that "bullshit should be spread unfettered" have at it.

You kids sure are hysterical about the fact that someone said that Roundup is a poison that is damaging people.

[Major Nikon]

171. I'm not the one terrified by benign substances

For further reading see...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemophobia

[Humanist_Activist]

71. And? I've done it in the backyard to kill some vines, its not much more toxic than table salt...

and is actually less likely to kill you than actual water, so it has that going for it, which is nice.

[Major Nikon]

82. It's less toxic than table salt and kitchen vinegar

[MFM008]

52. my kid is a manager at a

store that would sell Roundup.
He hides it, tells people not to buy it and his store is phasing it out
soon anyway.
Kills everything including birds and bees, butterflies.

[HuckleB]

53. What store?

[MFM008]

87. A home improvement

Store. Don't want to say.

[HuckleB]

89. So they're not dropping the product.

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Got it.

PS: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028032090

[RapSoDee]

122. Are you going to turn him in?

Or do you have some other quickie, Republican-style excuse for wanting to target him?

[HuckleB]

123. He has made this bogus claim several times over the past year or so.

Perhaps you should be careful about how you disparage people while you promote pseudoscientific nonsense.

[RapSoDee]

168. Oh, that's your excuse.

Sigh.

[HuckleB]

170. What's your excuse for promoting ludicrous pseudoscience and baseless fear mongering?

BTW, your sock is missing an eye. The glue didn't hold.

[RapSoDee]

178. So you agree that it is true what people say about you.

You have my condolences.

[HuckleB]

181. LOL!

Looks like your pink string nose fell off, too.

[womanofthehills]

68. I always tell people not to buy it

I can't even stand the smell walking by it in the store.

[Humanist_Activist]

69. It doesn't kill everything, where the fuck did you hear that?

Seriously, where are these alt-reality people getting their information?

[Major Nikon]

79. You've been telling that same story for at least a year

It wasn't all that believable the first time and it's less so now.

Just sayin'

[Humanist_Activist]

66. Literally every article from your first link shows studies from Stephanie Seneff, a debunked...

anti-glyphosate crusader.

[Major Nikon]

80. Glyphosate causes autism and concussions!

A computer scientist said it so it must be twue!

[jmowreader]

86. Oh, come on now Major....

Everyone knows if a case of Roundup falls out of the 10-foot level of the racking and conks you in the melon, you'll get a concussion. And doesn't everything cause autism?

[womanofthehills]

113. Debunked by Monsanto and corporate shills

[HuckleB]

120. Debunked by actual science and scientists.

Why do you pretend otherwise? It's not ethical.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4538578/

[Major Nikon]

107. WHO clarifies glyphosate risks

A new report from the United Nations (UN) and World Health Organization (WHO) has concluded that the controversial pesticide glyphosate is ‘unlikely to pose a carcinogenic risk to humans from exposure through the diet’.

While that conclusion supports recent regulatory decisions in the EU and elsewhere, it could be interpreted as contradicting an earlier report from the WHO’s International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) in March 2015, which concluded that glyphosate is ‘probably carcinogenic to humans’. However, a WHO explainer says the two reports are ‘different, yet complementary.’ It clarifies that the IARC reviews published studies to identify potential cancer hazards and does not estimate the level of risk to the population associated with exposure to the hazard, while the new report’s authors reviewed both published and unpublished studies to assess the level of health risk to consumers associated with dietary exposure to pesticide residues in food.

Julie Goodman, an epidemiologist, toxicologist and consultant to the Industry Taskforce on 2,4-D Research Data, says the new UN–WHO report makes sense. ‘What the IARC is doing is looking at harm – using any possible theoretical situation,’ she notes. ‘While there is value to knowing the hazard of a substance, it is not the complete picture – you need hazard and exposure to determine whether or not there is a cancer risk.’

http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2016/05/un-who-glyphosate-herbicide-cancer-risk

[womanofthehills]

114. WHO's Agency for Research on Cancer sticks to it's claim that it's probably carcinogenic

Another faction of WHO (not cancer research) whose trustees are from Monsanto, Dupont, etc made the "new" or "other" report you are writing about.

Food-industry watchdog group U.S. Right to Know (USRTK) also highlighted in a report posted last week that the ILSI's board of trustees includes executives from Monsanto, Syngenta, DuPont, Nestle and others. The Institute also counts a long list of global food and chemical corporations as part of its long list of member and supporting companies.

"The JMPR’s analysis may have significant impacts to those with a financial interest in selling glyphosate-based products, thus we are very concerned that several members of the task force who may have conflicts of interest," said Lori Ann Burd, Environmental Health Director at the Center for Biological Diversity.

“Time and time again we have seen corporate interests influence major decisions affecting the health of consumers and the environment," Wenonah Hauter, executive director of Food & Water Watch, said. "We will not stand by and watch WHO-IARC’s conclusion on glyphosate become watered down due to the presence of task force members tied to major biotech firms. Farmers, farmworkers and communities who live and work near farms sprayed with glyphosate are depending on a rigorous, independent review of this chemical and the WHO must provide it.”

http://www.ecowatch.com/un-says-glyphosate-unlikely-to-cause-cancer-industry-ties-to-report-ca-1891132192.html

[nationalize the fed]

115. Thank you very much for all your posts on this thread

and everywhere else. Great info. Much appreciated.

[HuckleB]

121. Correction: "Great disinfo."

Why do you think it's ok to promote bogus nonsense like you did in the OP?

This crap has been debunked, over and over again. Posting it is not ethical, in any way, shape, or form.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4538578/

[Major Nikon]

124. Sure, everyone who says something you don't like is part of the conspiracy

Which includes respectable scientists and journalists, unlike your favorite sources, the WHO, the EPA, the EFSA, and other DUers.

Once again you are just flat wrong as usual. The JMPR's function IS "cancer research", specifically research on the risk of cancer. The IARC's job is not to determine cancer risk. If the IARC was the end-all authority on cancer risk, as you pretend, then why do you still consume beverage alcohol which the IARC has deemed definitely carcinogenic? Kinda funny how you are panicking over glyosphate residue on your rugs, which every governmental entity including the EPA, WHO, and EFSA has said is not a cancer risk, while you pour something that definitely is a cancer risk down your gullet.

Meanwhile the so-called "U.S. Right to Know" is a front group for the batshit crazy OCA that also claims vaccines cause autism (one of your other favorite subjects), 9/11 was an inside job, along with other batshit crazy loony nonsense.

[RapSoDee]

119. Most of the older farmers around here have one chemical affliction or another

The stats are sobering. But what's even more damning is when you visit your neighbor farmers across the Heartland, and see how many of the older ones have had their health totally corrupted by these poisons.

[Squinch]

179. Thanks for this observation, RapSoDee. Do you notice how your first hand knowledge is being ignored

by those who hysterically defend this product and who feel the need to Gish gallop everyone who points out that it is harmful?

I noticed that.

[RapSoDee]

180. Yes. I noticed. It is standard Republican-style corporate strategy.

[HuckleB]

182. Did you notice how that anecdotal, unsupported nonsense is meaningless?

Oh, and how one poster or another tries to pull it, now and then? Yup.

Why would anyone bother responding to it? Especially the poster is supposedly new to DU but acts as if he has been here for years.

Hmm.

You do realize that the OP is a classic Gish Gallop. It has been debunked. You don't know how to use logic, so don't bother trying. Seriously.

Ethics matter.

[Squinch]

126. Same two posters in this thread who ALWAYS show up to shill for Monsanto are absolutely

killing themselves to tell us that Roundup is harmless.

It's funny, actually, in a sad sort of way.

[Archae]

133. Bullshit.

We do not say "Roundup is harmless," you simply made that up.

Even water is harmful in large quantities.
(Yes, people have died from drinking too much water.)

Roundup, used AS INSTRUCTED, is not harmless, but it's not going to cause cancer and autism and Parkinson's.

Now, you want ACTUAL harm?

How about these links from the premier anti-Monsanto group:

http://www.march-against-monsanto.com/catastrophic-birth-defects-in-brazil-may-be-caused-by-glyphosate-not-zika-virus-study/

http://www.march-against-monsanto.com/the-truth-about-vaccines-facts-to-know-before-innoculating-your-child/

http://www.march-against-monsanto.com/colombian-doctor-exposes-grave-risks-associated-with-hpv-vaccine/

http://www.march-against-monsanto.com/8-reasons-why-these-doctors-decided-to-stop-vaccinating-their-patients/

[HuckleB]

135. Creating those kinds of Straw Men appears to be getting more common again.

The lack of ethics is astounding.

[Archae]

138. Lack of ethics among the "organic" pushers.

The "organic" suckers just go along with their gurus.

[Squinch]

137. Yeah, changing the subject to anti-vax doesn't support your position. Roundup is a poison.

You know it and I know it.

[HuckleB]

140. He merely pointed out the fact that the anti-GMO crowd tends to push all types of pseudoscience.

You still haven't answered if you support the pseudoscience of Samsel and Seneff. I wonder why that might be.

[Squinch]

142. Roundup is a poison. It's damaging people. You know it and I know it.

[HuckleB]

144. Your mantra is meaningless.

And it shows that you can't discuss the matter in an adult manner.

PS:

https://camiryan.com/2014/03/05/the-dose-makes-the-poison/

[Archae]

147. Some pictures "organic" groupies don't like...

And this is what organic producers use.

[Archae]

143. So is ethyl acohol.

It causes brain damage, birth defects, even death.
In excessive quantities.

So it should be banned! Right?

The links are from March Against Monsanto, the loudest and most militant anti-GMO and anti-Roundup group.

Face the facts.

MAM is an actual shill. Not your imaginary creation.
They shill for the multi-BILLION dollar organic associations, who are threatened by GMO crops.

"Organic" producers like being able to charge 2, 3, even 4 times what non-organic producers charge.

[HuckleB]

145. I think I know why he got so upset about that.

The guy actually promotes colloidal silver.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4738829

[Archae]

146. I'm not surprised in the least.

DU has it's own versions of creationists like Ken Ham.

"You just gotta BELIEVE!"

[Squinch]

148. You guys really are throwing out the "kitchen sink" argument on this! So far you've

conflated anti-vax, use of silver for a sinus infection (have you ever heard of Silvadene? Same idea, very good clinical results), and organic something with statements that Roundup is harmful to people.

None of those things has anything to do with the fact that Roundup is a poison that is damaging people. The hysterical nature of your arguments against this, into which you are throwing everything you can think of, shows that you are fully aware of the truth of that statement.

[HuckleB]

149. That's funny.

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You appear to be supporting all sorts of pseudoscience, and you fail to discuss the issue in any manner that matters. You also failed to be honest, as you now conflate your statement about using colloidal silver to treat sinus infections with Silvadene, which is only, possibly, helpful topically to prevent infection. It's not going to help sinus infections in any way.

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/hi-ho-silver/

All you appear to be able to do is obfuscate and chant. That's not ethical.

[Squinch]

150. I haven't supported any pseudoscience. I've merely said that Roundup is harmful to people. Which

you know is true.

[HuckleB]

151. As we now know.

You have supported colloidal silver.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/expert-answers/colloidal-silver/faq-20058061

Do you, or do you not support the pseudoscience promoted by this OP?

If you can't or won't answer, we will have to assume that you do, considering your repeated mantra posts.

[Squinch]

155. And again, you are changing the subject from the fact that Roundup is a poison that is harming

people. Why do you feel the need to keep changing the subject?

And yes, I use colloidal silver on sinus infections. I find that for me it dependably clears up even nasty ones in a day or two. If you feel that is "supporting colloidal silver" then have at it.

But that has nothing to do with the fact that Roundup is a poison that is harming people.

[HuckleB]

158. The OP is about the Samsel and Seneff pseudoscience.

Thus, you have changed the topic and decided that you can only discuss it in a vacuum, which allows you to live in a fictional world.

Also, thus far, you have shown yourself to be incapable of understanding what the term poison even means. You have utilized the shill gambit, for Pete's sake.

Thank you for the confession.

I will assume that you believe the Samsel and Seneff nonsense. That's not ok. It's not ethical. And it has been debunked.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028032090

[Squinch]

160. The OP is about the fact that Roundup is a poison that is damaging people. You and your buddies

seem to have been rendered insensible, as usual, by the fact that someone pointed out that this is true, and that you obviously are fully aware it is true.

We could keep going around and around, with you changing the subject to anything else, and doing your best to distract from the fact that you obviously know that Roundup is a poison that is damaging people. But your hysteria is very tiresome.

So I will leave you all to your teeth-gnashing against anyone who points out the obvious fact that Roundup is a poison that is damaging to people.

I do, however, admire your stamina in proving your loyalty to this poison that is damaging to people.

Have a lovely day!

[HuckleB]

167. So you do believe the nonsense pseudoscience pushed by the OP.

And thus you believe in debunked pseudoscience silliness.

Got it. Thank you for the confession.

You refuse to discuss anything. You just repeat your silly mantra, even though you don't have any idea what you are ranting about. That's the reason we are going round and round. You can't be honest, and you can't discuss the issues at hand, and that's simply ludicrous. Childishly repeating a mantra shows nothing but pure ignorance.

PS: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028032090

[Major Nikon]

176. The OP is bullshit

Deal with it.

[Major Nikon]

174. Not the same idea. Now who is conflating?

One is quackery and the other isn't. You specifically mentioned Colloidal Silver, not Silvadene.

The idea that glyphosate is "damaging people" is simply nonsense, and your propensity to believe in other nonsense like Colloidal Silver is very telling.

[HuckleB]

134. Are you supporting the debunked pseudoscience promoted by Samsel and Seneff?

Nice, unethical personal attack, by the way.
http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/logical-fallacies/shill-gambit-logical-fallacies/

[womanofthehills]

161. 15 Health Problems Linked to Monsanto's Roundup

In the nearly 20 years of intensifying exposure, scientists have been documenting the health consequences of Roundup and glyphosate in our food, in the water we drink, in the air we breathe and where our children play.

They've found that people who are sick have higher levels of glyphosate in their bodies than healthy people.

http://www.ecowatch.com/15-health-problems-linked-to-monsantos-roundup-1882002128.html

[HuckleB]

166. Nice fictional claims from a crap source.

Do you have any sense of decency?

[Major Nikon]

175. Global warming linked to the decline of the pirate population

[L. Coyote]

173. "diseases, ... diabetes, obesity, asthma, Alzheimer’s disease, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis ....