The Reich Wing's out of control HRC bashing

[kairos12]

is meant to achieve one thing. Drumpt will never be President, they know this. The convention is about delegitimizing another Democratic President before ever elected. The rethugs have been setting this narrative for years, but the convention puts a national focus on it.

[Beartracks]

1. When Trump loses* they'll still spin it as a mandate...

... from all the supposed silent, under-represented, fly-over masses.

They'll also start claiming that Trump lost* because he wasn't conservative/religious/discriminatory ENOUGH!




* But remember kids: Republicans don't lose automatically when they're awful, hateful, and wrong-headed. They only lose when we stand together and vote against them!

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[unblock]

2. election frame. hillary vs. not hillary.

they don't have anything positive to offer, barely even to their own fanatics.

all they can offer is that their candidate isn't hillary.

sadly that brilliant bit of logic is enough to pursuade many of them to vote for satan himself if he were on the ballot.

and in fact,...

[63splitwindow]

3. They wiil also spout off about the tree of Liberty being refreshed with blood...

[Rex]

6. Protecting our freedumbs.

Poor fella, got some shit all over his face...oh wait that is a beard nm.

[Fred Drum]

17. thats a child

poor kid

[Fred Drum]

18. fucking trump wont say shit

[Rex]

41. Trump loves it, he really wants some violence to rouse up his base of armed morons.

[Monk06]

4. They are preaching to the converted but also rehearsing the impeachment of Clinton when she wins

[pnwmom]

20. They could possibly impeach her but they won't be able to convict her in the Senate.

They'd end up just as frustrated as they were after they failed to convict Bill.

[Monk06]

27. They will do it knowing it won't succeed just out of raw spite Republicans are like Wolverines X

They shit on their food after eating so no other animal will eat it the leftovers

[CanonRay]

5. They will never let her govern, just like they threw every obstacle in Obama's way

4 or 8 more years of ineffective government, thanks to the GOP. At least maybe we'll get SCOTUS nominees, or maybe they'll let it run down to 5 or so justices.

[63splitwindow]

7. That's why it is critical to win House and Senate seats as well. nt

[AgingAmerican]

9. The only way we will win back the congress in any meaningful was is to shift back to our roots

On the left.

Once upon a time the Democratic party was solidly the party of the left. In that time between the 50s and 90s we had full control. Once the Democratic party swung right in the 90s, we lost control of congress and have only had it sporadically since.

People can wish and strategize til they are blue in the face, but if we want to control it for decades again, the Democratic party needs to end their love affair with right wing policies and move back to sanity on the left.

Senate Control by Party Past 100 Years[edit]
The following statistics reflect the years each political party has controlled a majority in the Senate over the past 100 years (1916–2015).
Party Years in Control
Democrats: 65 yrs
Republicans: 35 yrs

House Control by Party Past 100 Years[edit]
The following statistics reflect the years each political party has controlled a majority in the House of Representatives over the past 100 years (1916–2015).
Party Years in Control
Democrats: 65 yrs
Republicans: 35 yrs

Senate and House Control by Party Past 100 Years[edit]
The following statistics reflect the years each political party has control a majority in both the Senate and House of Representatives concurrently over the past 100 years (1916–2015).
Party Years in Control
Democrats: 57 yrs
Republicans: 27 yrs
Neither Party: 16 yrs

Full Congress and White House Control by Party Past 100 Years[edit]
The following statistics reflect the years each political party has controlled a majority across both the Senate and House of Representatives and White House concurrently over the past 100 years (1916–2015).
Party Years in Control
Democrats: 35 yrs
Republicans: 16 yrs
Neither Party: 49 yrs

Party Control of White House[edit]
Party Years in Control
Democrats: 52 yrs
Republicans: 48 yrs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_power_in_the_United_States_over_time#Senate_Control_by_Party_Past_100_Years

[63splitwindow]

10. You don't believe that the "silent majority" tends to be moderate?

I remember when there were moderate Democrats and moderate Republicans. They no longer exist in any meaningful numbers?

[AgingAmerican]

11. There is no such thing as 'moderate' as a political entity in the US

We have been fed this, "Moderate" nonsense since the 90s. When they say 'moderate', they mean 'conservative'. To the right of center.

This is why we cannot control congress long enough to pass anything anymore. This urge to placate 'moderates' keep us pushing rightward. Once the Democratic party abandons this 'moderate' nonsense and goes back to their roots, we will start taking back the congress in a meaningful way again.

[63splitwindow]

12. Not everyone agrees with your analysis. I am one of those who does not. nt

[AgingAmerican]

13. Between 1933 and 1980, the GOP controlled congress 4 years

Between 1933 and 1995, they controlled it 10 years.

Our congressional reign started when the New Deal was first implemented (when the Democratic party made a hard shift to the left).

In the mid 90s, Clinton adopted 'Triangulation' which means taking Republican positions on issues and trying to wrest ownership of them from the GOP. From the moment that happened, we have not controlled congress in any meaningful way since.

[63splitwindow]

14. Take ANY issue. Only 2 possible positions? What do you call positions NOT on far right or left?

[AgingAmerican]

15. Liberal is not 'far left'

Unless you are far to the right.

Everything isn't black and white. Never has been and that has absolutely zero to do with what I'm talking about.

The numbers don't lie. You can put a graph of Democratic party legislative actions up to a timeline of congressional control and they line up exactly as I point out.

The past is prologue.

[63splitwindow]

16. Yeah, an entire spectrum of colors, not just "liberal" or "conservative." Good evening.

[AgingAmerican]

29. Liberal is the mildest form of leftism

Conservative is the mildest form of right wing

Please list the right wing policies the Democratic party should adopt to placate what you call 'moderates' and explain how doing so will not drive liberals out of the party.

Also, show where going 'moderate' has won us control of congress in any meaningful way over the last 100 years. Specifically, since 1995 when the 'moderate' fantasy began.

All the information you need is right here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Presidents_and_control_of_Congress

Thanks in advance.

[63splitwindow]

30. Thanks for your opinions and suggestions re: research. Carry on. nt

[AgingAmerican]

32. It's not an opinion, it's basic poly sci 101

Take a basic political science course then get back to us with your findings.

Which right wing policies do you believe the Democratic party must adopt in order to win congress back?

Thanks in advance.

[63splitwindow]

35. The "us" you refer to is you. You are now on "ignore". Goodbye. nt

[meow2u3]

26. Even center-right is "far left" to the far right

They're so far right that I doubt they even have a left hand.

[AgingAmerican]

31. Boiled frog syndrome

Starting with Bushes dad and his demonizing liberalism by calling it "The 'L' Word", the GOP has heaped scorn upon liberals and liberalism. Over a period of decades, some key members of the Democratic party have begun to 'triangulate' the GOP's demonization of the word and adopt it as their own.

Now they too believe that 'liberals' are 'far left', even though it is the mildest possible form of leftism. What they don't realize is that they have adopted the Bush GOP position.

So now, to them, the mildest form of the left is extremism, which tells us they have shifted to the right.

I continually hear them decrying that we need to 'shift to the center' which means adopt right wing Republican policies, but I have yet to find a single one of them who can say which Republican policies we should adopt.

It's like the frog in a pan who doesn't notice the water temperature changing and gleefully boils to it's death. Another term for it is 'creeping fascism'.

[LanternWaste]

33. "Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X."

Every premise you've made is wholly predicated on a logical fallacy, post hoc ergo prompter hoc (or, 'after this, therefor because of this'). It helps to realize that a correlation between two variables does not imply that one causes the other

[pnwmom]

22. There are still plenty of people in the middle who swing left some years and right others --

depending on which issues are more important to them.

There are still plenty, for example, who are against abortion but for Social Security.

Or for a high minimum wage but against looser drug laws.

Some years these people vote for R's, some years for D's.

[AgingAmerican]

36. Which right wing policies do you believe the Democrats should adopt to triangulate the 'center'?

How can the Democratic party triangulate the 'center' without abandoning the left. I have yet to find a 'centrist' who can answer that question.

The people you describe are called, 'libertarians'. Libertarians are socially liberal and fiscally conservative and they do not vote Democratic.

[pnwmom]

38. None. Concessions would all depend on ongoing negotiations of any particular bill.

It's called legislative. compromise. We shouldn't condemn legislators who engage in the compromises our Constitution encourages.

[auntpurl]

28. I'm a moderate. nt

[pnwmom]

21. You have things backwards. With our very progressive McGovern we lost by 49 states.

We also lost by 49 states with Mondale.

Bill Clinton moved closer to the center and won two terms. So did President Obama.

[AgingAmerican]

23. If you look at the pattern over the last 85 years you will see it

Same thing in the house of representatives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_power_in_the_United_States_over_time#/media/File:Control_of_the_U.S._House_of_Representatives.PNG

[pnwmom]

24. Something happened in 1991 to change everything.

The fall of the Soviet Union.

We met a couple from Iran a few years later who predicted that the US would keep moving to the right, because -- without the the Soviet Union -- there would no longer be that huge magnetic force on the left, pulling even the US in that direction.

It has been depressing to see how correct their prediction was.

[AgingAmerican]

37. The fall of the soviets made the GOP go off the deep end

Because they no longer had 'commies' as an external enemy, they turned their gunsights inward and began unloading on liberals. Clinton should have swung hard left, but instead decided to preempt the Republicans by adopting their policy as his own.

It was an intentional move for temporary gain, that brought us the long term legislative disaster we now are mired in.

As long as we keep down that road we will not win the congress long enough or by a big enough margin to pass anything meaningful.

[AgingAmerican]

8. Are you surprised?

It was pretty obvious coming in that this is what would happen

[dembotoz]

25. hatred of hrc unifies the gop....hrc is their wet dream candidate

hilarys nomination ensure a strong gop vote...just that simple and obvious


the election is not over

the gop would vote for a horned toad to prevent hrc

actually it sort of looks like they will

[Calculating]

34. Moderate dems

Are those who don't usually believe in any meaningful fiscal or social reforms. Basically conservatives without all the super craziness about abortion and gay marriage.

[63splitwindow]

39. Always interesting how some people's primary concern is to label everyone.

[seanbnewyork4]

40. The GOP has been bashing HRC for over 20 years now

This isn't anything new. Thankfully, the American public aren't fooled by the GOP's nonsense, especially after the damage Bush did to this country.