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Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:45 PM Jul 2016

Does anyone else feel badly for Melania Trump?

Lets put these things aside:

1. Her choice in men
2. The assumption if she did or didn't write the speech.


I don't think this woman ever believed that she would be, at some point, 'running' for First Lady. She was born in another country, in another culture and...lets just say didn't have the career that most First Lady's have leading up to their run in the spotlight.

The way I see this going down is that a lot of pressure was put on her. She found some pretty words from Michelle Obama, because the speech was a bigger moment then even she expected. She was unprepared, and thrown out to the hungry wolves by her power hungry user of a husband.

Plagiarism is bad and terrible, and what she did should be the purpose of a ton of discussion, but somewhere in my heart, I do feel BADLY for her, because I don't think she appreciated the size of the moment and now she's is taking a ton of fairly personal hits.

Again, I understand that is part of being in the public eye, but I do have sympathy for her.


Edit: Apparently I AM the only one who feels sympathy for her. Got it loud and clear!

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Does anyone else feel badly for Melania Trump? (Original Post) Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 OP
No giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #1
Fair enough. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #5
Meh, you are who you hang with. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #9
especially if you're a gold digger Skittles Jul 2016 #19
Who the hell would marry Trump who WASN'T a golddigger TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #29
no one Skittles Jul 2016 #35
There was that Playboy/Penthouse model TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #66
just the idea of that sweaty orange bastard Skittles Jul 2016 #82
Do you think he gets his whole body spray tanned TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #86
SCHEDULING TEXASBUSHWACKER FOR ASS KICKING Skittles Jul 2016 #87
"Seriously, who would want to live with that combed over, orange asshole unless he had money?" 3catwoman3 Jul 2016 #92
LOL Skittles Jul 2016 #2
Not at all. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2016 #3
Understood. :) Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #6
Nope JenniferJuniper Jul 2016 #4
Er . . . . Nope. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #7
LOL. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #47
ROFL alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #8
What's that? nt Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #13
rolling on floor laughing JenniferJuniper Jul 2016 #61
No, that I got :) Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #67
No, she shacked up with Drumpf long enough to know what he is Warpy Jul 2016 #10
Any sympathy I might have for her is mitigated by mental images stopbush Jul 2016 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author REP Jul 2016 #11
Not a shred of sympathy available. She made the choice, so she can face the consequences Siwsan Jul 2016 #12
She Will Cry All The Way to Dirty Socialist Jul 2016 #14
No, she's a grownup in the party of 'personal responsibility' C_U_L8R Jul 2016 #15
Not in the slightest GP6971 Jul 2016 #16
That is also a good point. She is responsible for her actions. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #21
HELL TO THE FUCKING NO. anneboleyn Jul 2016 #17
Not even a tiny little bit Ms.Lib Jul 2016 #18
Hell no! n/t chillfactor Jul 2016 #20
This seems condescending n/t leftstreet Jul 2016 #22
Wasn't meant to be. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #26
you feel deep sympathy over her lying about her degree? she dropped out Gabi Hayes Jul 2016 #23
The degree thing I have not read about yet. nt Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #28
I feel sorry for victims of sudden circumstance gratuitous Jul 2016 #24
Nope - no sympathy. I'd bet my SS check that Ineeda Jul 2016 #90
I'll be the first to say it. Yes. joshcryer Jul 2016 #25
but, how fake do you have to be to plagiarize someone when talking about geek tragedy Jul 2016 #41
Absolutely true. joshcryer Jul 2016 #55
I don't hate her, but don't feel much empathy for her either. nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #69
That is increasingly the case for me. joshcryer Jul 2016 #71
Yes. I feel very sorry for her dem in texas Jul 2016 #52
I shouldn't be astonished by Trumps response. joshcryer Jul 2016 #56
She got caught up in something she never really wanted. tinrobot Jul 2016 #27
That is where I was coming from. nt Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #32
too bad her gold digging prize is suddenly costing her Skittles Jul 2016 #39
No, she's aiding and approaching a racist who wants to turn our country into a fascist dictatorship Adenoid_Hynkel Jul 2016 #30
Nailed it. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2016 #37
Another "no". hamsterjill Jul 2016 #31
If you sell your soul to the Devil... hopeforchange2008 Jul 2016 #33
Hell no. Not in a millon years. Peregrine Took Jul 2016 #34
This is kind of what I'm talking about though....were we cool with people commenting on looks of Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #36
No, she stole from another woman's experience in order to use her own family geek tragedy Jul 2016 #38
+1 tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #57
No not at all next question rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #40
Yes. Thanks, Joe. elleng Jul 2016 #42
Feel sorry for melania maynard Jul 2016 #43
I hope she takes everything. white_wolf Jul 2016 #150
No Phentex Jul 2016 #44
As if she had something better to do than be trumps wife. She can go roll around in gold and cash Person 2713 Jul 2016 #46
What does her being a model or 'half naked" have to do with anything? Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #59
Somewhere about 8 minutes intoi Melania's speech she did a rickroll. PufPuf23 Jul 2016 #48
Actually, I do ... In the same way I feel badly for ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #49
We agree. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #60
But then, I do not take pleasure in seeing anyone crashing and burning ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #68
hahahaha. nt Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #50
People on this board have said not to blame Hillary for what Bill has done. So I don't blame Seeinghope Jul 2016 #51
Good point. tinrobot Jul 2016 #54
She said she wrote her speech. WinkyDink Jul 2016 #126
I'm really not in the mood to be mean hearted because I hate Trump. She made a mistake....who Seeinghope Jul 2016 #141
Someone put a speech in her hand and she read it. What's to feel sorry for? Squinch Jul 2016 #53
Links to her being 'vapid'? That's the kind of shit I'm talking about. We wouldn't accept that type Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #65
Gosh, sorry. No. I'm not going to go and find something for you that I read Squinch Jul 2016 #70
So in other words, you called someone vapid, but don't want to back it up. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #73
Now you're just being vapid. Squinch Jul 2016 #75
You brought absolutely nothing to the table. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #77
And you did? Ain't no muffins in your basket, binky. Squinch Jul 2016 #79
Aside from name calling, do you have anything else? Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #91
Binky? That qualifies as name calling these days? Squinch Jul 2016 #103
So the answer is 'no' Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #105
If you need to. Do you have anything else? Squinch Jul 2016 #108
Apparently, you are the only one. louis-t Jul 2016 #58
Seriously? OldHippieChick Jul 2016 #62
Let me cure that: she used her 7 year old son to sell her caviar-based moisturizer muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #63
Caviar based moisturizer. How creepy. It's ostentation that is trying too hard to be ostentatious. Squinch Jul 2016 #74
I was going to complain it cost $150 a pot, but then I found a similar product for $300 muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #109
When she finds out, she'll raise the price. No sense NOT being the most wasteful, if the purpose of Squinch Jul 2016 #111
No - she is trying to let Trump get his fingers on the nuclear codes Doodley Jul 2016 #64
I am still way too busy laughing at her to care an ounce about her feelings. Moostache Jul 2016 #72
You're kidding, right? Laffy Kat Jul 2016 #76
About being sympathetic to someone who I think is getting taken on a ride? Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #78
OH.... MrWendel Jul 2016 #80
No. I don't feel bad for the complicit wives of Nazis, either. sarae Jul 2016 #81
Not at all.. I don't believe she has even written as much as grocery list HipChick Jul 2016 #83
As far as her choice in men... backscatter712 Jul 2016 #84
God's girlfriend had a bad night. Feel sorry for her, no! B Calm Jul 2016 #85
No, not a bit. stage left Jul 2016 #88
absolutely not Demonaut Jul 2016 #89
not a lot, but a little... hlthe2b Jul 2016 #93
Perhaps, but closer to pity. JohnnyLib2 Jul 2016 #94
No. And have a question for you. fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #95
I'd have to watch the entire thing to answer honestly, but for the sake of argument, sure it was. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #98
Mel isn't the issue tirebiter Jul 2016 #96
Yeah, but she's taking a lot of personal flack. Check out the political cartoons.... Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #101
Feel sorry for her? No TeddyR Jul 2016 #97
That's how I feel. sarae Jul 2016 #113
She volunteered to give the speech. Ilsa Jul 2016 #99
Does anyone else feel badly for Melania Trump? LenaBaby61 Jul 2016 #100
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #102
Right? Squinch Jul 2016 #104
What the hell are you talking about Sea? Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #110
I would feel badly were she a victim. Nevernose Jul 2016 #106
She claimed she wrote the speech herself. Now Trump is blaming it on Hillary. OregonBlue Jul 2016 #107
Nope ailsagirl Jul 2016 #112
You're very naive if you think any first lady anywhere writes their own speeches for the Conventions lunatica Jul 2016 #114
Lets assume she didn't write, doesn't it make it worse that she's taking the personal attacks? Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #115
Yes. She is only doing what she's been told to do. lunatica Jul 2016 #142
nope n/t Libby2 Jul 2016 #116
Actually...Yes, I do. (n/t) Iggo Jul 2016 #117
I feel sorry for her being married to that maggot Motley13 Jul 2016 #118
No. She'll get by on her looks. tenderfoot Jul 2016 #119
That's pretty disgusting, no matter the person in question. nt Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #133
This message was self-deleted by its author oswaldactedalone Jul 2016 #120
Why? BigDemVoter Jul 2016 #121
As a woman who met Trump in my youth, HockeyMom Jul 2016 #122
I truly believe Trump has done everything he can think of to lose this election & nothing's working. Booster Jul 2016 #123
LOL.... NOPE! Adrahil Jul 2016 #124
Not just no; HELL, no! Good golly, Miss Molly---she married TRUMP!! Lie down with dogs, wake up with WinkyDink Jul 2016 #125
Oh God...look, see a therapist. These aren't people to waste pity on. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #127
What's there to feel sorry for? BlueStater Jul 2016 #128
no, but I'm not a Pinebagger zappaman Jul 2016 #129
Only a little. Aristus Jul 2016 #130
no. But i also don't dislike her. at least not in the way I feel about trump and others. JI7 Jul 2016 #131
NO. Melania the bad Model has made her bed, let her lie in it. trueblue2007 Jul 2016 #132
We're puritans now? Who gives a fuck if she posed nude? Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #135
really love the career paths you have for women Skittles Jul 2016 #143
She designs expensive watches and purses for other trophy wives Warpy Jul 2016 #151
I do...she has a sad look in her eyes maryellen99 Jul 2016 #134
I would feel sorry for her if radical noodle Jul 2016 #136
No, but... Mike Nelson Jul 2016 #137
I don't care gwheezie Jul 2016 #138
No. Crunchy Frog Jul 2016 #139
lulz Rex Jul 2016 #140
... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #144
Well yeah, I've been feeling kinda sorry for her. Mister Ed Jul 2016 #145
No. blue neen Jul 2016 #146
She married into money and that comes with costs. So no. Kablooie Jul 2016 #147
I'd feel Melania quite well, actually. sir pball Jul 2016 #148
No, she's a college graduate... mrmpa Jul 2016 #149
Yeah, I do. She's out of her element. Buns_of_Fire Jul 2016 #152
No. usedtobedemgurl Jul 2016 #153
This message was self-deleted by its author Chan790 Jul 2016 #154
No ellie Jul 2016 #155
 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
5. Fair enough.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jul 2016

I always feel bad by the people who get hit for other's ambition. But i understand your point.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,214 posts)
29. Who the hell would marry Trump who WASN'T a golddigger
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:56 PM
Jul 2016

Seriously, who would want to live with that combed over, orange asshole unless he had money?

TexasBushwhacker

(20,214 posts)
66. There was that Playboy/Penthouse model
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jul 2016

Victoria Zdrok who, after 4 dates quit returning his phone calls. She blabbed that he only talked about himself and bragged that he gave the best orgasms.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/16/trump-denies-dating-model-called-her-a-f-king-third-rate-hooker.html

TexasBushwhacker

(20,214 posts)
86. Do you think he gets his whole body spray tanned
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:43 PM
Jul 2016

or just his face? You would have to pay me a lot of money to do that.

3catwoman3

(24,041 posts)
92. "Seriously, who would want to live with that combed over, orange asshole unless he had money?"
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:46 PM
Jul 2016

There is not enough money to make it worthwhile having to go to bed with and and wake up next to [it]that.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
7. Er . . . . Nope.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jul 2016

A world model, pushing her image for years, agreeing to join one of the most arrogant, greedy, loud mouthed self-promoters who cheats his workers and contractors, and we should feel sorry for her hen she gets caught with her panties down? When I've seen her without her panties?
Naw, no way.

Warpy

(111,339 posts)
10. No, she shacked up with Drumpf long enough to know what he is
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jul 2016

before she married him. She made the choice for wealth over integrity a long time ago.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
45. Any sympathy I might have for her is mitigated by mental images
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:03 PM
Jul 2016

of her in the sack with that bloated buffoon.

Response to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

C_U_L8R

(45,020 posts)
15. No, she's a grownup in the party of 'personal responsibility'
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jul 2016

And if she's going to take the stage and say something,
it's her responsibility to ensure her words are actually her own.
She's no victim, that's for sure. She's a plagiarist.

edits: dang typos

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
21. That is also a good point. She is responsible for her actions.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jul 2016

I just felt like she's being taken on a ride she never intended to be on.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
23. you feel deep sympathy over her lying about her degree? she dropped out
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jul 2016

after one year to enter that slavehell world of modeling

such a SACrifice

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
24. I feel sorry for victims of sudden circumstance
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jul 2016

Melania Trump has had some time to get accustomed to the notion of running for first lady. Where does she think her husband has been for the last several months (leaving aside the possible relief of not having him underfoot during that time)? He's had the nomination sewed up for weeks, and she has to know what that's going to mean for her personally. This didn't just sneak up on her, and unlike a flood victim (for example), she has had the time and the wherewithal to prepare herself.

Ineeda

(3,626 posts)
90. Nope - no sympathy. I'd bet my SS check that
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:46 PM
Jul 2016

the pillow talk/sweet nothings being whispered in her ear for at least the last year was "Baby, I'm gonna b*ng you blind when we move into the White House. And we'll gild and glitz the whole place up right." Yeah, I know - gross thought.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
25. I'll be the first to say it. Yes.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:55 PM
Jul 2016

She was dealt a bad hand. Full stop.

Stepford wife she may be, she doesn't deserve, even with the silver platter, the shitstorm that is incoming.

OK, maybe a little. Still, social media can be and is vicious. I would not wish that upon anyone.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
41. but, how fake do you have to be to plagiarize someone when talking about
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jul 2016

your own family and the values you're passing to your children?

I mean, that's something she should be able to talk about without copying and pasting another woman's experience.



joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
55. Absolutely true.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:18 PM
Jul 2016

And still, as a human who has compassion still in them, I can't hate her.

Unfortunately, she has not come out and stated she did wrong or apologize. So. I'm increasingly less sympathetic. She has her chance. Each minute is fleeting.

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
52. Yes. I feel very sorry for her
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jul 2016

Rich Wife, Trump's wife or whatever, she depended on a group of people who were supposed to be helping her, but failed her - big time. Now, rather than find the persons responsible and fire them, her jerk of a husband has totally disrespected her and thrown her under the bus. No woman deserves such treatment. I am really surprised at the cruel comments on this page.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
56. I shouldn't be astonished by Trumps response.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:21 PM
Jul 2016

But I am. It was relatively easy to get out of this. Admit the mistake. Move on. But nope. They doubled down. It's insane.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
30. No, she's aiding and approaching a racist who wants to turn our country into a fascist dictatorship
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:56 PM
Jul 2016

a lying birther who advoocates physical assault on his critics, who demonizes religious minorities, women and anyone else who disagrees with him.
His dangerous and ugly campaign has fired up the KKK and other white nationalist groups.

And she's not only fine with it, but is appearing publicly to promote his efforts.

Fuck her.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,749 posts)
37. Nailed it.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jul 2016

Plus, there's something wrong with a woman who would sleep with -- or let him put his hands on -- THAT orange yam.

hamsterjill

(15,224 posts)
31. Another "no".
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jul 2016

I think she's an obedient wife. That's not something that I, personally, respect in another woman.

I think she was told to speak, told what to say, told how to dress, and I think she complied. If that's her decision as to how to live her life, then that's fine. But it's not something that I can respect.



Peregrine Took

(7,417 posts)
34. Hell no. Not in a millon years.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jul 2016

She gives me the creeps with those cat eyes - not to mention her "catch" of a bizarre husband.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
36. This is kind of what I'm talking about though....were we cool with people commenting on looks of
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jul 2016

our candidate's spouses? I think THAT part is petty as all hell.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
38. No, she stole from another woman's experience in order to use her own family
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jul 2016

as a marketing hook.

She knew what Trump was when she married him.



elleng

(131,106 posts)
42. Yes. Thanks, Joe.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jul 2016

Some bits about her (and her father.)

'Her father, a larger-than-life personality who reminds her childhood friends of Mr. Trump, belonged to the Communist Party, an exclusive club whose members sometimes joined because of career ambitions as much as ideology. . .

Mr. Knavs, a traveling car salesman, spent a lot of time on the road. But when he was home, he was noticed. Friends say he had a jocular personality and a fondness for his Mercedes sedans and his coveted Maserati. Ms. Trump’s childhood friends recalled him incessantly washing the cars, but also carrying himself in a self-assured way that now reminded them of Mr. Trump.

“Donald and Melania are similar to Viktor and Amalija,” said Nena Bedek, who was close to Ms. Trump in childhood, and who added that she was “not surprised” that her friend had married someone similar to her father. “Melania was closer to her mother than her father. Viktor was often away, and Malci and the girls were often alone.” ..

Mr. Knavs sought to distinguish himself from his neighbors. “He always wore a tie, smart clothes and carried a briefcase,” Mr. Vuk said. “You could not avoid noticing him.” . .

In Sevnica, Mr. Knavs has confided in Matej Novsak, his longtime mechanic, and complained recently about Mr. Trump’s whiplash-inducing inconsistency.

“ ‘One time it is this, the other time that,’ ” Mr. Novsak said Mr. Knavs had told him. The mechanic said that Mr. Knavs had also said that Mr. Trump was unwanted by Republicans and that he did not understand his wealthy son-in-law’s need to pursue the presidency. “ ‘Why does he have to do it?’ ” the mechanic said Mr. Knavs had told him.

When told of his in-laws’ bewilderment, Mr. Trump said, “They are not the only ones.”'

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/19/us/politics/melania-trump-slovenia.html?

maynard

(657 posts)
43. Feel sorry for melania
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:02 PM
Jul 2016

It just goes to show that she is only there as a decoration to "The Donald"

She was not considered important enough for anyone to fact check her speech.

I hear divorce proceedings in the background.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
150. I hope she takes everything.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:23 AM
Jul 2016

I DO feel sorry for the woman. I don't respect her decisions, but I respect her as a person who, as far as I know, hasn't harmed anyone and so deserves empathy for being stuck with a narcissist.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
46. As if she had something better to do than be trumps wife. She can go roll around in gold and cash
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jul 2016

to feel better if she is smart enough to be sad.
Big egos love the public eye . She was a f'n model, sometimes half naked in the public eye.
Why is she being painted as a hurt fawn in some media?

Probably thinks Hillary did this to her and she is mad at team Clinton

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
59. What does her being a model or 'half naked" have to do with anything?
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jul 2016

and there is obviously a difference between being that and being a political figure....

PufPuf23

(8,836 posts)
48. Somewhere about 8 minutes intoi Melania's speech she did a rickroll.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:07 PM
Jul 2016

Now if not for DU, I would not know of the rickroll.

But listen closely and catch a phrase.

Maybe Melania reads DU?

The woman is in an unnatural position and bears the fruit.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
49. Actually, I do ... In the same way I feel badly for ...
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:11 PM
Jul 2016

anyone that suffers when caught up in a mess that they made.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
68. But then, I do not take pleasure in seeing anyone crashing and burning ...
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:27 PM
Jul 2016

though it gets easier ... moves to ambivalence ... when they have crashed, yet insist they are soaring.

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
51. People on this board have said not to blame Hillary for what Bill has done. So I don't blame
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jul 2016

Melanie for what Donald Trump has done. I do feel sorry for her. Just because he is such a creep doesn't mean that she realized all of that when she Married him. She was from a foreign country. Young and dazzled by his life and romance. I am sure that she never expected to be in this position. She is probably scared to death. Time will tell on what type of person that she is. I am willing to give her a chance.

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
141. I'm really not in the mood to be mean hearted because I hate Trump. She made a mistake....who
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 07:27 PM
Jul 2016

really knows why. I am just very surprised at the vehemence on this board towards her. She is virtually an unknown. All we really know is that she is married to Donald Trump. This shouldn't put the last nail in her coffin. Unfortunately this kind of reminds me of a Republican board, not a Democtatic board with all of the gleeful hate and nastiness coming down on this woman. I really thought that we were better than this.

Squinch

(51,004 posts)
53. Someone put a speech in her hand and she read it. What's to feel sorry for?
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:17 PM
Jul 2016

And for that matter, we are assuming she feels bad about it. From what I have read about her, she is an entitled and vapid person, so there is every possibility that she doesn't care.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
65. Links to her being 'vapid'? That's the kind of shit I'm talking about. We wouldn't accept that type
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jul 2016

of criticism towards our candidate's spouses.

And 'feel sorry for her' because under your scenario, she was handed a speech and told to read it, and now she's become the laughing stock of the country, a position that should be reserved for her husband.

Squinch

(51,004 posts)
70. Gosh, sorry. No. I'm not going to go and find something for you that I read
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jul 2016

months ago simply because you have a thing for Trump's wife. Google is your friend.

And this is kid gloves compared to the way MY candidates' spouses have been treated. Your candidates' spouses may vary.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
73. So in other words, you called someone vapid, but don't want to back it up.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:33 PM
Jul 2016

"Google is your friend'- the mantra of someone who makes charges they aren't sure of.

She very well may be 'vapid' but we should be above calling her that.

The same way we shut down discussion on Elizabeth Edwards looks, because it was silly.

Or Jane Sanders, because it was silly.

Or the idiots who call Michelle names, because they are silly and normally racist.

Or the people who punched at Teresa Heinz-Kerry because she talked with an accent, and came from money, because those are silly reasons to hammer someone.

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
62. Seriously?
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:23 PM
Jul 2016

This is a beautiful woman who married a man twice her age for whatever reason. We can conjecture. She made a decision. She is an adult. She gets no sympathy from me and is not deserving of it from anyone else.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
63. Let me cure that: she used her 7 year old son to sell her caviar-based moisturizer
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:23 PM
Jul 2016
Melania Trump is famous for her glamorous lifestyle, and she's passed down her luxurious predilections to her son Barron, 7.

"He's not a sweatpants child," says Trump, 42, of her only child with her husband of eight years, Donald Trump, 66. "He doesn't mind putting on (a suit)-but not every day- and he likes to dress up in a tie sometimes like Daddy."

Trump tells ABC News that in addition to dressing her son nicely, she makes sure that he takes care of his skin, slathering him in her eponymous Caviar Complex C6 moisturizer after his nightly bath.

"It smells very, very fresh," says the businesswoman, who launched the skincare line this week at Lord & Taylor. "I put it on him from head to toe. He likes it!"

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2013/04/melania-trump-my-son-7-is-not-a-sweatpants-child/

Anyone who uses a child like that for a bit of personal fame (on a complete waste-of-money topic) deserves some public humiliation.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
109. I was going to complain it cost $150 a pot, but then I found a similar product for $300
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jul 2016

so she's not the only person saying "feel the luxurious touch of money all over your body".

Squinch

(51,004 posts)
111. When she finds out, she'll raise the price. No sense NOT being the most wasteful, if the purpose of
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:00 PM
Jul 2016

your product is to waste money and let everyone know you are doing it.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
72. I am still way too busy laughing at her to care an ounce about her feelings.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:31 PM
Jul 2016

You lay with the dogs, the fleas come along for free.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
78. About being sympathetic to someone who I think is getting taken on a ride?
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:36 PM
Jul 2016

No. Not kidding. I realize now that I'm not in the majority though.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
81. No. I don't feel bad for the complicit wives of Nazis, either.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:38 PM
Jul 2016

She's supporting a monster. I might have respect for her if she left him.

Also, she fed the journalist Julia Ioffe to antisemitic internet trolls, so she's not exactly innocent.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
84. As far as her choice in men...
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:40 PM
Jul 2016

She most likely sees two things in Donald Trump:
1. A 5 billion dollar net worth (or however much or little it is)...
2. High cholesterol.

And no, I don't feel the least bit sorry for her for her speech performance. She made the speech, plagiarism and everything, she owns it.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
95. No. And have a question for you.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:52 PM
Jul 2016

Do you think the speech she gave at the republicthugs convention was political?

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
101. Yeah, but she's taking a lot of personal flack. Check out the political cartoons....
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:55 PM
Jul 2016

they aren't hitting trump or the campaign, they are hitting her.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
97. Feel sorry for her? No
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jul 2016

I deplore the personal and petty attacks on her accent, or speaking ability or looks because they represent the type of internet bullying we should speak out against. But I don't feel sorry for her.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
113. That's how I feel.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jul 2016

She's worthy of criticism because of who she supports and her own shady behavior, but not because of her accent, her nude pics or anything else.

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
99. She volunteered to give the speech.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jul 2016

No one had expected her to speak to the convention.

Do I feel sorry for the billionaire's wife? No. She can always take a long vacation in November.

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Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
110. What the hell are you talking about Sea?
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jul 2016

I never stood up for the one woman you wanted to be President? Sure, you got me there.

I've been on this site for 13 years, and I have ALWAYS stood up for woman and especially families of candidates. Don't make accusations you can't back up.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
106. I would feel badly were she a victim.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:58 PM
Jul 2016

But she's not. She's a grown woman with all of her faculties operating under her own agency and voluntarily. It sounds like you're infantalizing her.

If the speech was written for her, I would have a lot of sympathy. However, she already claimed to have written it herself.

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
107. She claimed she wrote the speech herself. Now Trump is blaming it on Hillary.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:58 PM
Jul 2016

I don't feel even a smidgen of sympathy. Look at who she chose for a spouse.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
114. You're very naive if you think any first lady anywhere writes their own speeches for the Conventions
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jul 2016

Very few politicians, even highly seasoned ones write important speeches themselves. Mostly because most are smart enough to know a speech can really fuck things up if anything is wrong with it.

Melania may say she wrote it herself, but she didn't. Not even the Donald is fool enough to let her go out there without making sure everything is perfect. He has an image to protect, and his wives are especially important.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
115. Lets assume she didn't write, doesn't it make it worse that she's taking the personal attacks?
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:04 PM
Jul 2016

and not the speech writers?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
142. Yes. She is only doing what she's been told to do.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 07:47 PM
Jul 2016

She couldn't have had any idea whatsoever that the speech was plagiarized. Lot's of people are saying it isn't her fault and that the speech "writers" should be the one's who pay the price.

But Trump is choosing to leave them out of it and he's allowing the world to make a fool out of her. That's the most shocking thing out of all this. He just chose to deny it. And so far no one has gotten fired. That's bad beyond anything else he's done as far as I'm concerned. Melania is his wife for crying out loud! He's just letting her, no demanding, that she hang out there flapping in the wind.

Motley13

(3,867 posts)
118. I feel sorry for her being married to that maggot
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:11 PM
Jul 2016

I don't think the $'s are worth it.

I hope the prenup has expired & she can leave with lots of dinero.


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HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
122. As a woman who met Trump in my youth,
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:19 PM
Jul 2016

No, I do not feel sorry for her. She had to know what she was getting into bedding, and marrying him given his past record. "No Spics will ever live in any of my buildings" was enough for me over 30 years. Bye, bye Donald.

Melenia must be very NAIVE. Politics? Expect anything with this kind of a man.

Booster

(10,021 posts)
123. I truly believe Trump has done everything he can think of to lose this election & nothing's working.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:22 PM
Jul 2016

Either Trump set her up to be humiliated in front of millions, which you just don't do to someone you love, or he just isn't paying attention to his own campaign details, which means he's totally unfit to be President of these United States. Either way, this all falls on him not her. I think she was just following orders and got used big time. But I still don't really feel sorry for her.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
124. LOL.... NOPE!
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:24 PM
Jul 2016

She is attempting to prop up a fucking con for POTUS. She stepped into it, she has to own it.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
125. Not just no; HELL, no! Good golly, Miss Molly---she married TRUMP!! Lie down with dogs, wake up with
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:26 PM
Jul 2016

fleas---Ben Franklin.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
128. What's there to feel sorry for?
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:34 PM
Jul 2016

She chose to marry that vain, Cheeto-skinned, wannabe daughter fucker for his money and is willingly being dragged around by him in his dangerous egofest of a presidential bid. So, no. I don't feel sympathy for this trophy wife.

Aristus

(66,462 posts)
130. Only a little.
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:37 PM
Jul 2016

She doesn't seem very bright.

She doesn't have a lot of marketable skills unrelated to her looks. (And if she keeps up with the plastic surgery, those will go pretty soon...)

She's a pawn (albeit a willing one) in a massive long-con dreamed up by the unscrupulous men in her life.

She saw a spotlight, and thought all she would have to do is look pretty. Well, people who require more from women in particular, and public figures in general, were watching. She didn't expect all of this.

Plus, she is going to be traded in for a newer model (literally so, I'm sure...) in a few years. So all she has to look forward to is humilation and an empty life.

So yeah, a little. But only a little.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
135. We're puritans now? Who gives a fuck if she posed nude?
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:45 PM
Jul 2016

Serious question, there is apparently a lot to dislike her for, but who cares if she was a model or posed nude?

Warpy

(111,339 posts)
151. She designs expensive watches and purses for other trophy wives
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:47 AM
Jul 2016

That makes her a career woman when she's not supervising the staff.

I don't give a flying fornication at a rolling breakfast pastry how much soft porn she did. I know of several women who paid their way through undergrad school and went on to medical school, law school, and other post grad degrees and on to great careers by doing one form of soft porn or another. Slut shaming is so 1950s, especially when done by men who love their soft porn.

Even being a trophy wife, especially to a narcissistic dirtbag with a rotten temper and a vindictive streak a mile wide like Trump isn't the easy gig it used to be before Viagra and Cialis came out. I find her an excellent example of the pitfalls of choosing that career path.

Still, she's not the one running for office and I can't see putting on judge's robes and dissecting her life to be productive. She recited a speech someone else plagiarized for her. It will take her long enough to live that one down.

maryellen99

(3,789 posts)
134. I do...she has a sad look in her eyes
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jul 2016

She didn't want him to run and I could see her leaving him after the election if he loses.

radical noodle

(8,013 posts)
136. I would feel sorry for her if
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jul 2016

someone else wrote the speech and set her up to fail. I could even applaud her if she did it purposely to scuttle Trump's candidacy. Neither appears to be what actually happened, but we likely will never know.

It's just come out that the speech writer did not have that passage in the speech when he delivered it to the Trump campaign. Someone in the campaign or family did it.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
138. I don't care
Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:58 PM
Jul 2016

I think her plan was to marry a wealthy man and it turned into this, which she did not want. She will be scrutinized and the kids are against her. It's her problem to deal with however because honestly this is a 1% problem.

blue neen

(12,328 posts)
146. No.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 01:10 AM
Jul 2016

I do feel bad for the women of this country who will no longer be allowed to make decisions about their own bodies if Trump is elected. Melania is supporting Donald, and therefore she is advocating for unjust treatment for the rest of us.

She's coming after our rights as women, among other things, so I sure as heck do not feel sorry for her.

sir pball

(4,758 posts)
148. I'd feel Melania quite well, actually.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 01:52 AM
Jul 2016

Are your hands severely burnt, or your fingertips seared with acid? She's reasonably hot, I'd feel her quite well. While still not feeling much of anything for her.

I have no tolerance for people without basic linguistic capabilities - you can feel Melania as "badly" as you wish, but you're just saying you couldn't grope her well.. Back to third grade: "feel bad" is the adjective, to have a sad, "feel badly" is adverbial - you have literally said, multiple times, your sense of touch is defective. Adverb, badly, points to verb, feel.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,194 posts)
152. Yeah, I do. She's out of her element.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:49 AM
Jul 2016

The big orange turd with the little itty-bitty hands tossed her right into the wood chipper.

All this sturm und drang over the obligatory fluff speech about how wonderful their spouse is and how they're the greatest thing in the world. Meh. I didn't pay any attention to Michelle's fluff speech about Barack (either when it was originally given or during the recent reprise), I won't pay any attention to Bill's upcoming fluff speech about Hillary. They could recite the Gettysburg Address, word for word, for all I care.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,143 posts)
153. No.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 07:02 AM
Jul 2016

Why feel bad for her? Even if she had never heard the word 'plagiarize', people have to know at a gut level that stealing someone else's words is just plain wrong. It is not as if they are poor and they could not afford to hire someone to write her speech for her, as politicians and their families often do. Oh wait, they actually did hire two people. The men wrote a presumably good script and she tore it to shreds in a decision that she was much better than any professional speech writers after all, she had years of public writing and speaking under her belt. *rolling eyes*

But beyond that, do you think she is paying attention to the media or even cares what everyone thinks? If she paid attention to the media then she probably would have left Trump a long time ago or she made her decision that money is better than ethics. I imagine she is a lot like her husband and sequesters herself in an earmuff made of a cocoon of money. The only blowback she is getting is from her husband. If she did not know who he is then why did she marry him?

All of that being said, I cringe every time I hear of anyone being abused. When I heard rumors hat Trump disappeared to possibly take his approval out on her, I was deeply saddened. I was in a mentally abusive relationship and it leaves deep scars. Abuse is never ok. Perhaps he just shouted at her but my impression is he would have demeaned and belittled her. I do not feel sorry for her but if that did happen, it is never ok.

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