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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDoes anyone else feel badly for Melania Trump?
Lets put these things aside:
1. Her choice in men
2. The assumption if she did or didn't write the speech.
I don't think this woman ever believed that she would be, at some point, 'running' for First Lady. She was born in another country, in another culture and...lets just say didn't have the career that most First Lady's have leading up to their run in the spotlight.
The way I see this going down is that a lot of pressure was put on her. She found some pretty words from Michelle Obama, because the speech was a bigger moment then even she expected. She was unprepared, and thrown out to the hungry wolves by her power hungry user of a husband.
Plagiarism is bad and terrible, and what she did should be the purpose of a ton of discussion, but somewhere in my heart, I do feel BADLY for her, because I don't think she appreciated the size of the moment and now she's is taking a ton of fairly personal hits.
Again, I understand that is part of being in the public eye, but I do have sympathy for her.
Edit: Apparently I AM the only one who feels sympathy for her. Got it loud and clear!
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)She's a grown ass woman she should be held accountable for her bullshit.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)I always feel bad by the people who get hit for other's ambition. But i understand your point.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)She's just as dirty as the rest of them.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)Seriously, who would want to live with that combed over, orange asshole unless he had money?
Skittles
(153,193 posts)if he wasn't a billionaire, no one would give him the time of day - he's an annoying fool
TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)Victoria Zdrok who, after 4 dates quit returning his phone calls. She blabbed that he only talked about himself and bragged that he gave the best orgasms.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/16/trump-denies-dating-model-called-her-a-f-king-third-rate-hooker.html
Skittles
(153,193 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)or just his face? You would have to pay me a lot of money to do that.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)*EGREGIOUS VISUAL*
3catwoman3
(24,041 posts)There is not enough money to make it worthwhile having to go to bed with and and wake up next to [it]that.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)um..............no
greatauntoftriplets
(175,749 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)JenniferJuniper
(4,515 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)A world model, pushing her image for years, agreeing to join one of the most arrogant, greedy, loud mouthed self-promoters who cheats his workers and contractors, and we should feel sorry for her hen she gets caught with her panties down? When I've seen her without her panties?
Naw, no way.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Strategy #18 on this.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)JenniferJuniper
(4,515 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)I meant 'Strategy #18 '. I thought it was alluding to something.
Warpy
(111,339 posts)before she married him. She made the choice for wealth over integrity a long time ago.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)of her in the sack with that bloated buffoon.
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Siwsan
(26,289 posts)Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)The Bank.
C_U_L8R
(45,020 posts)And if she's going to take the stage and say something,
it's her responsibility to ensure her words are actually her own.
She's no victim, that's for sure. She's a plagiarist.
edits: dang typos
GP6971
(31,205 posts)There are choices in live. She didn't choose well
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)I just felt like she's being taken on a ride she never intended to be on.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)Ms.Lib
(131 posts)chillfactor
(7,584 posts)leftstreet
(36,112 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)after one year to enter that slavehell world of modeling
such a SACrifice
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Melania Trump has had some time to get accustomed to the notion of running for first lady. Where does she think her husband has been for the last several months (leaving aside the possible relief of not having him underfoot during that time)? He's had the nomination sewed up for weeks, and she has to know what that's going to mean for her personally. This didn't just sneak up on her, and unlike a flood victim (for example), she has had the time and the wherewithal to prepare herself.
Ineeda
(3,626 posts)the pillow talk/sweet nothings being whispered in her ear for at least the last year was "Baby, I'm gonna b*ng you blind when we move into the White House. And we'll gild and glitz the whole place up right." Yeah, I know - gross thought.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)She was dealt a bad hand. Full stop.
Stepford wife she may be, she doesn't deserve, even with the silver platter, the shitstorm that is incoming.
OK, maybe a little. Still, social media can be and is vicious. I would not wish that upon anyone.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)your own family and the values you're passing to your children?
I mean, that's something she should be able to talk about without copying and pasting another woman's experience.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)And still, as a human who has compassion still in them, I can't hate her.
Unfortunately, she has not come out and stated she did wrong or apologize. So. I'm increasingly less sympathetic. She has her chance. Each minute is fleeting.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)She did what she did. A full out apology is all I'll accept.
dem in texas
(2,674 posts)Rich Wife, Trump's wife or whatever, she depended on a group of people who were supposed to be helping her, but failed her - big time. Now, rather than find the persons responsible and fire them, her jerk of a husband has totally disrespected her and thrown her under the bus. No woman deserves such treatment. I am really surprised at the cruel comments on this page.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)But I am. It was relatively easy to get out of this. Admit the mistake. Move on. But nope. They doubled down. It's insane.
tinrobot
(10,916 posts)So, yes, there is some sympathy for her.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Skittles
(153,193 posts)*NOT*
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)a lying birther who advoocates physical assault on his critics, who demonizes religious minorities, women and anyone else who disagrees with him.
His dangerous and ugly campaign has fired up the KKK and other white nationalist groups.
And she's not only fine with it, but is appearing publicly to promote his efforts.
Fuck her.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,749 posts)Plus, there's something wrong with a woman who would sleep with -- or let him put his hands on -- THAT orange yam.
hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)I think she's an obedient wife. That's not something that I, personally, respect in another woman.
I think she was told to speak, told what to say, told how to dress, and I think she complied. If that's her decision as to how to live her life, then that's fine. But it's not something that I can respect.
hopeforchange2008
(610 posts)No sympathy.
Peregrine Took
(7,417 posts)She gives me the creeps with those cat eyes - not to mention her "catch" of a bizarre husband.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)our candidate's spouses? I think THAT part is petty as all hell.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)as a marketing hook.
She knew what Trump was when she married him.
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)elleng
(131,106 posts)Some bits about her (and her father.)
'Her father, a larger-than-life personality who reminds her childhood friends of Mr. Trump, belonged to the Communist Party, an exclusive club whose members sometimes joined because of career ambitions as much as ideology. . .
Mr. Knavs, a traveling car salesman, spent a lot of time on the road. But when he was home, he was noticed. Friends say he had a jocular personality and a fondness for his Mercedes sedans and his coveted Maserati. Ms. Trumps childhood friends recalled him incessantly washing the cars, but also carrying himself in a self-assured way that now reminded them of Mr. Trump.
Donald and Melania are similar to Viktor and Amalija, said Nena Bedek, who was close to Ms. Trump in childhood, and who added that she was not surprised that her friend had married someone similar to her father. Melania was closer to her mother than her father. Viktor was often away, and Malci and the girls were often alone. ..
Mr. Knavs sought to distinguish himself from his neighbors. He always wore a tie, smart clothes and carried a briefcase, Mr. Vuk said. You could not avoid noticing him. . .
In Sevnica, Mr. Knavs has confided in Matej Novsak, his longtime mechanic, and complained recently about Mr. Trumps whiplash-inducing inconsistency.
One time it is this, the other time that, Mr. Novsak said Mr. Knavs had told him. The mechanic said that Mr. Knavs had also said that Mr. Trump was unwanted by Republicans and that he did not understand his wealthy son-in-laws need to pursue the presidency. Why does he have to do it? the mechanic said Mr. Knavs had told him.
When told of his in-laws bewilderment, Mr. Trump said, They are not the only ones.'
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/19/us/politics/melania-trump-slovenia.html?
maynard
(657 posts)It just goes to show that she is only there as a decoration to "The Donald"
She was not considered important enough for anyone to fact check her speech.
I hear divorce proceedings in the background.
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)I DO feel sorry for the woman. I don't respect her decisions, but I respect her as a person who, as far as I know, hasn't harmed anyone and so deserves empathy for being stuck with a narcissist.
Phentex
(16,334 posts)not an ounce
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)to feel better if she is smart enough to be sad.
Big egos love the public eye . She was a f'n model, sometimes half naked in the public eye.
Why is she being painted as a hurt fawn in some media?
Probably thinks Hillary did this to her and she is mad at team Clinton
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)and there is obviously a difference between being that and being a political figure....
PufPuf23
(8,836 posts)Now if not for DU, I would not know of the rickroll.
But listen closely and catch a phrase.
Maybe Melania reads DU?
The woman is in an unnatural position and bears the fruit.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)anyone that suffers when caught up in a mess that they made.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)though it gets easier ... moves to ambivalence ... when they have crashed, yet insist they are soaring.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Seeinghope
(786 posts)Melanie for what Donald Trump has done. I do feel sorry for her. Just because he is such a creep doesn't mean that she realized all of that when she Married him. She was from a foreign country. Young and dazzled by his life and romance. I am sure that she never expected to be in this position. She is probably scared to death. Time will tell on what type of person that she is. I am willing to give her a chance.
tinrobot
(10,916 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Seeinghope
(786 posts)really knows why. I am just very surprised at the vehemence on this board towards her. She is virtually an unknown. All we really know is that she is married to Donald Trump. This shouldn't put the last nail in her coffin. Unfortunately this kind of reminds me of a Republican board, not a Democtatic board with all of the gleeful hate and nastiness coming down on this woman. I really thought that we were better than this.
Squinch
(51,004 posts)And for that matter, we are assuming she feels bad about it. From what I have read about her, she is an entitled and vapid person, so there is every possibility that she doesn't care.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)of criticism towards our candidate's spouses.
And 'feel sorry for her' because under your scenario, she was handed a speech and told to read it, and now she's become the laughing stock of the country, a position that should be reserved for her husband.
Squinch
(51,004 posts)months ago simply because you have a thing for Trump's wife. Google is your friend.
And this is kid gloves compared to the way MY candidates' spouses have been treated. Your candidates' spouses may vary.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)"Google is your friend'- the mantra of someone who makes charges they aren't sure of.
She very well may be 'vapid' but we should be above calling her that.
The same way we shut down discussion on Elizabeth Edwards looks, because it was silly.
Or Jane Sanders, because it was silly.
Or the idiots who call Michelle names, because they are silly and normally racist.
Or the people who punched at Teresa Heinz-Kerry because she talked with an accent, and came from money, because those are silly reasons to hammer someone.
Squinch
(51,004 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Thanks!
Squinch
(51,004 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Squinch
(51,004 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Should I have googled that as well?
Squinch
(51,004 posts)louis-t
(23,297 posts)On this side of the aisle, anyway.
OldHippieChick
(2,434 posts)This is a beautiful woman who married a man twice her age for whatever reason. We can conjecture. She made a decision. She is an adult. She gets no sympathy from me and is not deserving of it from anyone else.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)"He's not a sweatpants child," says Trump, 42, of her only child with her husband of eight years, Donald Trump, 66. "He doesn't mind putting on (a suit)-but not every day- and he likes to dress up in a tie sometimes like Daddy."
Trump tells ABC News that in addition to dressing her son nicely, she makes sure that he takes care of his skin, slathering him in her eponymous Caviar Complex C6 moisturizer after his nightly bath.
"It smells very, very fresh," says the businesswoman, who launched the skincare line this week at Lord & Taylor. "I put it on him from head to toe. He likes it!"
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2013/04/melania-trump-my-son-7-is-not-a-sweatpants-child/
Anyone who uses a child like that for a bit of personal fame (on a complete waste-of-money topic) deserves some public humiliation.
Squinch
(51,004 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)so she's not the only person saying "feel the luxurious touch of money all over your body".
Squinch
(51,004 posts)your product is to waste money and let everyone know you are doing it.
Doodley
(9,124 posts)Moostache
(9,897 posts)You lay with the dogs, the fleas come along for free.
Laffy Kat
(16,386 posts)I also no longer care to defend the kids. The entire family is disgusting.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)No. Not kidding. I realize now that I'm not in the majority though.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NO!
sarae
(3,284 posts)She's supporting a monster. I might have respect for her if she left him.
Also, she fed the journalist Julia Ioffe to antisemitic internet trolls, so she's not exactly innocent.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)before
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)She most likely sees two things in Donald Trump:
1. A 5 billion dollar net worth (or however much or little it is)...
2. High cholesterol.
And no, I don't feel the least bit sorry for her for her speech performance. She made the speech, plagiarism and everything, she owns it.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)stage left
(2,966 posts)Now Trump's team is blaming Hillary Clinton.
Demonaut
(8,926 posts)hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)Especially if she is being set up, as I suspect.
JohnnyLib2
(11,212 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Do you think the speech she gave at the republicthugs convention was political?
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)tirebiter
(2,539 posts)The Trump campaign is.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)they aren't hitting trump or the campaign, they are hitting her.
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)I deplore the personal and petty attacks on her accent, or speaking ability or looks because they represent the type of internet bullying we should speak out against. But I don't feel sorry for her.
sarae
(3,284 posts)She's worthy of criticism because of who she supports and her own shady behavior, but not because of her accent, her nude pics or anything else.
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)No one had expected her to speak to the convention.
Do I feel sorry for the billionaire's wife? No. She can always take a long vacation in November.
LenaBaby61
(6,977 posts)...
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Squinch
(51,004 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)I never stood up for the one woman you wanted to be President? Sure, you got me there.
I've been on this site for 13 years, and I have ALWAYS stood up for woman and especially families of candidates. Don't make accusations you can't back up.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)But she's not. She's a grown woman with all of her faculties operating under her own agency and voluntarily. It sounds like you're infantalizing her.
If the speech was written for her, I would have a lot of sympathy. However, she already claimed to have written it herself.
OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)I don't feel even a smidgen of sympathy. Look at who she chose for a spouse.
ailsagirl
(22,899 posts)'nuff said
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Very few politicians, even highly seasoned ones write important speeches themselves. Mostly because most are smart enough to know a speech can really fuck things up if anything is wrong with it.
Melania may say she wrote it herself, but she didn't. Not even the Donald is fool enough to let her go out there without making sure everything is perfect. He has an image to protect, and his wives are especially important.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)and not the speech writers?
lunatica
(53,410 posts)She couldn't have had any idea whatsoever that the speech was plagiarized. Lot's of people are saying it isn't her fault and that the speech "writers" should be the one's who pay the price.
But Trump is choosing to leave them out of it and he's allowing the world to make a fool out of her. That's the most shocking thing out of all this. He just chose to deny it. And so far no one has gotten fired. That's bad beyond anything else he's done as far as I'm concerned. Melania is his wife for crying out loud! He's just letting her, no demanding, that she hang out there flapping in the wind.
Libby2
(4,629 posts)Iggo
(47,565 posts)Motley13
(3,867 posts)I don't think the $'s are worth it.
I hope the prenup has expired & she can leave with lots of dinero.
tenderfoot
(8,438 posts)It's all she has.
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BigDemVoter
(4,157 posts)Rich. . . Entitled. Thinks the Donald is "wonderful."
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)No, I do not feel sorry for her. She had to know what she was getting into bedding, and marrying him given his past record. "No Spics will ever live in any of my buildings" was enough for me over 30 years. Bye, bye Donald.
Melenia must be very NAIVE. Politics? Expect anything with this kind of a man.
Booster
(10,021 posts)Either Trump set her up to be humiliated in front of millions, which you just don't do to someone you love, or he just isn't paying attention to his own campaign details, which means he's totally unfit to be President of these United States. Either way, this all falls on him not her. I think she was just following orders and got used big time. But I still don't really feel sorry for her.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)She is attempting to prop up a fucking con for POTUS. She stepped into it, she has to own it.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)fleas---Ben Franklin.
MichiganVote
(21,086 posts)BlueStater
(7,596 posts)She chose to marry that vain, Cheeto-skinned, wannabe daughter fucker for his money and is willingly being dragged around by him in his dangerous egofest of a presidential bid. So, no. I don't feel sympathy for this trophy wife.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Aristus
(66,462 posts)She doesn't seem very bright.
She doesn't have a lot of marketable skills unrelated to her looks. (And if she keeps up with the plastic surgery, those will go pretty soon...)
She's a pawn (albeit a willing one) in a massive long-con dreamed up by the unscrupulous men in her life.
She saw a spotlight, and thought all she would have to do is look pretty. Well, people who require more from women in particular, and public figures in general, were watching. She didn't expect all of this.
Plus, she is going to be traded in for a newer model (literally so, I'm sure...) in a few years. So all she has to look forward to is humilation and an empty life.
So yeah, a little. But only a little.
JI7
(89,264 posts)trueblue2007
(17,238 posts)dumb naked woman, go get a REAL job
(maybe nursing, teaching, gardening. do something but lay around).
she is not a good role model
http://gq-images.condecdn.net/image/xre9XV9B6kg/crop/1620
more here http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/donald-trump-melania-trump-knauss-first-lady-erections
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Serious question, there is apparently a lot to dislike her for, but who cares if she was a model or posed nude?
Skittles
(153,193 posts)are you stuck in 1950?
Warpy
(111,339 posts)That makes her a career woman when she's not supervising the staff.
I don't give a flying fornication at a rolling breakfast pastry how much soft porn she did. I know of several women who paid their way through undergrad school and went on to medical school, law school, and other post grad degrees and on to great careers by doing one form of soft porn or another. Slut shaming is so 1950s, especially when done by men who love their soft porn.
Even being a trophy wife, especially to a narcissistic dirtbag with a rotten temper and a vindictive streak a mile wide like Trump isn't the easy gig it used to be before Viagra and Cialis came out. I find her an excellent example of the pitfalls of choosing that career path.
Still, she's not the one running for office and I can't see putting on judge's robes and dissecting her life to be productive. She recited a speech someone else plagiarized for her. It will take her long enough to live that one down.
maryellen99
(3,789 posts)She didn't want him to run and I could see her leaving him after the election if he loses.
radical noodle
(8,013 posts)someone else wrote the speech and set her up to fail. I could even applaud her if she did it purposely to scuttle Trump's candidacy. Neither appears to be what actually happened, but we likely will never know.
It's just come out that the speech writer did not have that passage in the speech when he delivered it to the Trump campaign. Someone in the campaign or family did it.
Mike Nelson
(9,966 posts)...your opinion is admirable.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I think her plan was to marry a wealthy man and it turned into this, which she did not want. She will be scrutinized and the kids are against her. It's her problem to deal with however because honestly this is a 1% problem.
Crunchy Frog
(26,630 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)You and one other person.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Mister Ed
(5,943 posts)Looks like it's just you and me.
blue neen
(12,328 posts)I do feel bad for the women of this country who will no longer be allowed to make decisions about their own bodies if Trump is elected. Melania is supporting Donald, and therefore she is advocating for unjust treatment for the rest of us.
She's coming after our rights as women, among other things, so I sure as heck do not feel sorry for her.
Kablooie
(18,641 posts)I feel sorry for Melanie Turnip though.
sir pball
(4,758 posts)Are your hands severely burnt, or your fingertips seared with acid? She's reasonably hot, I'd feel her quite well. While still not feeling much of anything for her.
I have no tolerance for people without basic linguistic capabilities - you can feel Melania as "badly" as you wish, but you're just saying you couldn't grope her well.. Back to third grade: "feel bad" is the adjective, to have a sad, "feel badly" is adverbial - you have literally said, multiple times, your sense of touch is defective. Adverb, badly, points to verb, feel.
mrmpa
(4,033 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,194 posts)The big orange turd with the little itty-bitty hands tossed her right into the wood chipper.
All this sturm und drang over the obligatory fluff speech about how wonderful their spouse is and how they're the greatest thing in the world. Meh. I didn't pay any attention to Michelle's fluff speech about Barack (either when it was originally given or during the recent reprise), I won't pay any attention to Bill's upcoming fluff speech about Hillary. They could recite the Gettysburg Address, word for word, for all I care.
usedtobedemgurl
(1,143 posts)Why feel bad for her? Even if she had never heard the word 'plagiarize', people have to know at a gut level that stealing someone else's words is just plain wrong. It is not as if they are poor and they could not afford to hire someone to write her speech for her, as politicians and their families often do. Oh wait, they actually did hire two people. The men wrote a presumably good script and she tore it to shreds in a decision that she was much better than any professional speech writers after all, she had years of public writing and speaking under her belt. *rolling eyes*
But beyond that, do you think she is paying attention to the media or even cares what everyone thinks? If she paid attention to the media then she probably would have left Trump a long time ago or she made her decision that money is better than ethics. I imagine she is a lot like her husband and sequesters herself in an earmuff made of a cocoon of money. The only blowback she is getting is from her husband. If she did not know who he is then why did she marry him?
All of that being said, I cringe every time I hear of anyone being abused. When I heard rumors hat Trump disappeared to possibly take his approval out on her, I was deeply saddened. I was in a mentally abusive relationship and it leaves deep scars. Abuse is never ok. Perhaps he just shouted at her but my impression is he would have demeaned and belittled her. I do not feel sorry for her but if that did happen, it is never ok.
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