Newt: American Muslims should be killed with drones if they look at Isis websites, deported

[anneboleyn]

Newt, the very Newt who was desperately peddling himself as a vice presidential candidate, is on Hannity right now screaming "points" that are beyond ridiculous and are very disturbing, scary, and profoundly un-American. The garbage issuing forth from Newt's mouth is honestly shockingly repulsive, even for Newt.

"We are IN A WAR!" He keeps saying, because a terrorist attack happened in FRANCE, so we MUST strip American Muslims of their constitutional rights by immediately giving/forcing all American Muslims to take tests/undergo interrogations to determine whether or not they believe in Sharia law or display any sort of ambivalence regarding foreign terrorist groups like Isis. If they do they must be deported immediately, American citizens or not. Their families should be deported. They should be spied on to determine if they are looking at Isis or Al Qaeda related websites. If so, they should be KILLED WITH DRONES (ffs). No free speech rights, no constitutional protections as American citizens. And of course, Newt says, the tragic attack in France tonight is President Obama's fault.

And I thought Trump was alarming. This my friends is a level of toxic hysteria that is truly scary.

[Old and In the Way]

1. Trump needs to go o. Record if he supplrgs Gingrich

Pretty simple.

[Lance Bass esquire]

2. Newt is Right

A right wing Nut Job


"We are IN A WAR!" He keeps saying, because a terrorist attack happened in FRANCE, so we MUST strip American Muslims of their constitutional rights by immediately giving/forcing all American Muslims to take tests/undergo interrogations to determine whether or not they believe in Sharia law or display any sort of ambivalence regarding foreign terrorist groups like Isis"

I love this straw man, one glove fits all approach to EVERYTHING on the right.

No grey area...everything is black and white.

And of course its OBAMA'S fault in the long run just like Nazis were caused by FDR and The Challenger explosion was Tip O'neill's doing.

[still_one]

30. Of course Newt is nuts, along with Trump, and the republican party. The problem is these attack are

by individuals and small groups.

Look at Orlando, San Bernardino, the Boston Marathon. How do you stop a lone person with the intent to kill a lot of people.

In these cases it appears the lone gunman, or small group of people were subscribed to a radical Islamic ideology.

The Oklahoma Federal Building that was bombed by Timothy McVeigh. Acted within a very small radical anti-government group. How could that have been stopped, or the abortion clinic bombings and shootings.

As you said, the straw man argument is easy to hurl about, but of course in this case the straw man they use is very selective

[Jeffersons Ghost]

33. Perhaps they will vacation overseas to incite terrorism...

I heard the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) flew (observation) "drones," to reduce terrorism everywhere, except over the USA...

[spanone]

60. c'mon newt, you can't out-crazy the don

[xfundy]

3. Blowing anyone up with a drone should raise questions.

Obviously.

[Ms. Toad]

7. Plenty of people here supported it

when it was robot and a bomb. Not much difference from my perspective.

[AntiBank]

17. big difference. the Dallas situation's KNOWN outcome was one active threat neutralised

there wasn't a wedding party going on in the parking garage atm

[Ms. Toad]

23. The constitution doesn't authorize "neutralizing"

by execution without trial. There are standards for when deadly force is legally permissible. Those standards (whether criminal or civil) all require making an assessment the moment the trigger is being pulled as to whether the threat is imminent. A robot with a bomb can no more meet those standards than rigging a gun to shoot anyone who crosses your property line did before robots were invented.

Aside from which, the statement I responded to was a general statement about "blowing up anyone with a drone." I see little difference between blowing someone up with a drown and blowing them up with a bomb carrying robot. Neither is acceptable.

[AntiBank]

24. he was claiming multiple bombs all over the downtown,that introduces the "imminent threat" element

people are just freaked cuz it was a "scary robot"

if a sniper had taken him out, not a peep would be heard

if they had tried to starve/wait him out and bombs had blown the fuck out of 100 plus people there would be calls for DPD heads on a spike

I am very much against the actual drone warfare overseas, but I just cannot see the parallels as this case was so extreme that a judgement call to bring in the "metal hounds" is not very troubling to me.

[HereSince1628]

41. No people are freaking out about resolution of a confrontation with a barricaded criminal suspect

with a bomb.

Which is to say, they are concerned about escalation to the use of military-styled solutions to a civilian criminal problem.

All the iffy rationalizations just seem to paper over that.

Why not ask some iffy questions to see how comfortable Americans are with this escalation?

IF they have one would it be OK for police to roll up an Abrahms tank and blast away with its cannon at an office complex in which a criminal is barricaded?

If we have to be able to use HE on criminal suspects, do we need to add tracked artillery to the list of police dept vehicles? Do we need to add cruise missles? Predator aircraft? Or should we limit these things to sapper charges, hand-grenades and shoulder held wire guided LAWs? You know small goodies that fit on the web-belt or on a quick-release dash mount?

Where does this escalation take us?

Is the terminal destination a place we really want to take American cities?

[tk2kewl]

49. not fer nuthin

But if they were afraid of his bombs they should have tried to take him alive to find out where they might be

the threat had actually already been neutralized

[riversedge]

26. Obviously.

[tk2kewl]

48. hey. I have an idea!

Since the NSA already has backdoors into encryption and can spy on your online activities in every way possibe...

let's just have Intel bake an ACL and some explosives right into every CPU. If you visit a blacklisted website, your computer essentially becomes a bomb delivery robot and, Blamo! - It blows your face right off.

[tblue37]

4. He sounds like he is still auditioning for the VP slot, since Trump's

postponement suggests he might be having second thoughts about Pence.

By sounding even more deranged than Trump about abusing Muslims and going after Muslim families, he is hoping to get the final rose from Trump after all.

[underpants]

51. He just blew his shot at Mr. Congeniality in the VP pageant.

[rbrnmw]

5. He is crazy

He really really wants to be VP too that's why he went full tilt cray cray

[Rex]

6. At one time that asshole had the power to ruin a nation and he did.

His Contract on America fucked us up bad.

[zz-la]

8. Yes because me irrational screaming and bigotry is just we need right now

Asshole would make a perfect VP for Trump though.

[NightWatcher]

9. Too late to suck up to Trump now dickhead. He's going with a younger guy

and one with a nicer head of hair.

[Purveyor]

10. Stay tuned. Shit is about to get real with a war on Isis. A NATO partner was attacked again and we

just had our own.

I really expect some of our civil liberties to be temporarily suspended to facilitate this.

Happened before...

[KingCharlemagne]

37. All leftists should hope for the best, but plan for the worst. - nt

[SheilaT]

11. Wait. How exactly is our government supposed to know

who is looking at ISIS websites?

And if they can track that so easily, THAT'S what we should be up in arms about. Killing with drones is a side issue. Tracking every single thing we do on the internet is the main one.

First they came for those who looked at Isis websites, but I said nothing because I didn't look at those websites.
Then they came for those who visited JackPineRadical website, but I said nothing because I never went there.
Then they came for those who frequented Discussionist, but I remained silent because I didn't go to that site.
Then they came for those who are on Democratic Underground regularly.

After that, silence.

[HereSince1628]

36. It seems there are more than one very important issue

I agree with you that the surveillance state is a huge problem...but I find that no where near as troubling as the state of affairs in which the opposition to the surveillance state sees remote assassination of civilians as a lesser evil.

[SheilaT]

50. Once again, the lesser of two or more evils isn't fully recognized as being evil.

Plus, it really isn't a choice simply between a total surveillance state and a state with zero surveillance. There are lots of points in between.

[HereSince1628]

56. It seems what you wrote doesn't recognize killing people with drones as a major problem

but maybe I've missed something

[Albertoo]

12. Trump and Newt are nuts, but Democrats need to do more about radical Islam

I will write it again: I'm fairly sure Trump will lose, but being more serious about radical Islam is necessary to avoid far worse than Trump in 2020.

Case in point: there will be a backlash if we keep supporting the immigration of refugees from Somalia, Syria and other places where the culture places religion above democracy.

[Legends303]

13. Agreed, we need to be tough this election

not saying we should use the rhetoric like the right wing and Trump

but if we don't address this threat, we are doomed for the next couple of elections

Heck Reagan, got elected by this same thought of the Dems and the Soviet Union and making the Dems

look like fools.

[philosslayer]

21. Wait....

So you don't support immigration of refugees from Somalia, Syria and "other places where the culture places religion above democracy." Are you trying to say "Islam" without actually saying Islam? So no immigration from Muslim countries? Is that what i'm reading?

Well that does sound like the position of one Presidential candidate........

[BlueMTexpat]

31. My thoughts too ...

tarring all with the same VERY broad brush.

[Albertoo]

42. And? I disagree with Trump on most things, not everything

Again, we'll be inviting far-right inroads (far right as in even more extreme than Trump) if we reflexively support a large immigration from countries with a conservative Muslim culture.

Such massive immigration is what is tearing Europe and European politics today.
Not to mention the streets of Paris, London, Madrid or Nice.

[treestar]

57. Yep.

Taking it out on the refugees is very popular in some corners.

[Chathamization]

61. Trump embarrasses some people because he says directly what they've been using dog whistles to imply

Most of the time it's rightwinger politicians, but sometimes it's people on the Left who've been pushing the "Islam is inherently violent" line.

[RandiFan1290]

34. You guys never mention Saudi Arabia

[Albertoo]

43. I do, but not on all posts

But indeed, the KSA is a mother lode of bad ideas (to borrow a sentence)

[tenderfoot]

54. How does one combat Radical Islam?

You must know.

[Albertoo]

59. May I suggest starting by teaching science in schools?

You know, the Big Bang, no 6 days creation, Evolution, no god with a clot of blood.

BUT that supposes trampling on the feet of the GOP evangelicals too.

Which would grieve me to no end

[The_Casual_Observer]

14. A bloated dim wit with childish advice.

Nobody gives a shit when these attacks occur in Baghdad, but when this happens in these rich bastard's playground it's time for the big lockdown.

[KingCharlemagne]

38. In Baghdad, they call Nice . . . "Thursday." Your comment is dead on. - nt

[Person 2713]

15. Trump will now have his puppets out do his hate, so he can try to look sane with his policies

[redStateBlueHeart]

16. If they're US citizens, Deport to WHERE???

If they are natural born citizens where will he send them to? The gulags in distant Siberia? Is he high?

[TeamPooka]

18. Sorry Newt, Trump picked Pence so STFU now, no one cares what you say any more.

[AntiBank]

19. video of it

[Generic Other]

20. Will he dust off the old LOYALTY questions asked the Japanese?

"Are you willing to serve in the armed forces of the United States on combat duty wherever ordered?"

"Will you swear unqualified allegiance to the United States of America and faithfully defend the United States from any or all attack by foreign or domestic forces, and forswear any form of allegiance or obedience to the Japanese emperor, to any other foreign government, power or organization?"

Maybe re-open the "detention" camps for No-No boys? This man's comments really are alarming. We Japanese Americans already know how easy it is for some WASPS to become un-American.

[Liberal_in_LA]

22. Such bigotry. AmericN muslims must be terrified

[raven mad]

25. He hasn't changed his tune.

Since about 1980.

[Dworkin]

27. This will play to Trump

Hi,

With a heavy and sad heart I have to say that the terror attack in Nice, France, plays to a Trump presidency. It is as much as a done deal.

The Islamic fanatics are ensuring that liberal voices around the Western world will be ignored, and right wing authoritarian governments will hold the keys of power. It is very hard to see what the ISIL thinking is, but I fear these events are only the beginning of some very dark times for all of us.

What does ISIL hope to gain? Maybe they do want the end.

D.

[auntpurl]

29. Don't be ridiculous.

Sensible people know we need a sensible president during times of trouble, not a nutcase with his finger on the button. This does not play to Trump.

[BlueMTexpat]

32. Nice try ...

couldn't you be a bit more blatant?

Radicals who use religion to justify their unjustified acts and RW authoritarian governments = one and the same, or as close as.

Why would anyone sane choose either?

[tenderfoot]

55. Gee, ISIS sure does a great job on behalf of Right Wing candidates that support war and torture

like they work in tandem with one another

[auntpurl]

28. Sorry, are they deported before or after they're killed with drones?

Nutcase.

[Else You Are Mad]

35. Well, it looks like Newt...

is going all out to try to win over Trump since it was leaked that Pence is Trumps vp choice.

What he is saying is not only utterly unconstitutional, it is frightening.

[KingCharlemagne]

39. Is non-violent civil disobedience the most effective way to combat this, or is it time to consider

other approaches and tactics?

[Else You Are Mad]

40. Well, it surely isn't time...

To enact ANYTHING Newt outlined.

That said, I don't know how to combat this. Electing Hillary would be s great start.

[KingCharlemagne]

44. My thoughts are outstripping my pen this morning. Im thinking ahead to a possible

Trump presidency and how to resist most effectively the ethnic cleansing Trump and Gingrich are proposing.

[Else You Are Mad]

45. In that case...

Then maybe it would be time to step up from just peaceful protest.

[coco77]

46. A bit of both..

[spanone]

47. newt is irrelevant. he's only in the news cause trump elevated his sorry ass to national status

slink off into the abyss newt, you fucking hatemonger

[SCantiGOP]

52. Shut up, Newt

Your last ever 15 minutes of fame is over. Back to irrelevancy for you.

[dembotoz]

53. if true could we get some computer at the rnc convention next week search for isis websites???

better add the thingy least i be put on some damn watch list.....



be a great plot twist for a movie
if someone is inspired Please remember to pay me for it

a lunch bag full of used 20s would work for me

[ThoughtCriminal]

58. During WW-2 we faced a true existantial threat

Against countries that had conquered Western Europe and much of Asia. In early 1942 it was looking pretty grim for civilization. During WW-2 an average of at least 27,000 people died per DAY.

And yet despite that, we look back at the internment of Japanese Americans as a tragic, major and unnecessary mistake. Why are some so determined to repeat this illegal and humiliating lesson?

Gingrich, the GOP, conservatives and all their apologists are simply fucking cowards.

[Nevernose]

62. Public Service Reminder:

The two instances of ISIS related terrorism in the United States so far were perpetrated by lone wolf sympathizes, and were born and raised in the USA.