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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHas a privately owned business ever turned into a co-op?
Co-ops would eliminate some of the problems of our finance driven corporate business culture, but most businesses seem to start from one person's vision or obsession.
The turning point seems to be when they go public and become a corporation.
Suddenly the original vision to provide a product or service is subordinate to meeting profit goals set by the financial sector, and even if the company is profitable and the product is beloved by the public, if someone in finance thinks they can make a quick buck by killing the company, they can and will.
The same can happen to employees well before the company itself is killed. While an individual owner may have benevolent feelings and policies toward his employees, once it goes corporate, bookkeeping sleight of hand to goose profits take priority over treating them right and even getting the best efforts from them.
I wonder if some of the founders of companies wouldn't be happy with less money if they knew their company would survive with something like its original vision after their active leadership rather than being prostituted and cannibalized.
It would certainly be more likely to survive as a one person (including employees, investors, and even customers) one vote as opposed to one dollar one vote.
Has anyone ever done this and converted a family business or partnership into a co-op?
Is there any effort to convince small businesses this is the better way to expand?
If not, there should be.
patrice
(47,992 posts)quite interested in alternative business models, some of them in revolutionary business models.
I'm also going to guess that there may be some solutions in what you suggest for various kinds of Labor issues.
And, btw, I searched with Amazon on this topic some time ago and found lots of monographs for sale.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)Sorry, I don't have time to go through them right now. My old dog is preparing to pass-on and I should go spend some time with her.
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I also happen to know the heirs of a small business, who have spent quite a bit of time in Europe, and mention to me that they are researching something new for their corporation, when its their turn . . . so it IS done, apparently.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)TBMASE
(769 posts)they don't care if it lives on after they are gone. They don't care about their employees, unless it's to their benefit
And a Corporation is a tax structure that protects the owners and gives them the ability to shield their income from the business. The majority of Corporations are privately held entities with the owner being the family or a group of investors
yurbud
(39,405 posts)and the financial rewards are not their sole measure of success.
TBMASE
(769 posts)Anyone who owns a business does so because they can make more money working for themselves than working for someone else
yurbud
(39,405 posts)even if it means making LESS money?
I think you are confusing the MBA/finance view of business with how people actually operate.
Robert Reich described it as "psychic rewards" once, the intangibles you get from a job that are more valuable than the financial to many people.
And in some professions, it's not about making the most money possible, but doing what you love and making enough to live comfortably.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)It started as privately owned by a handful of eggheads from my home town.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)TBMASE
(769 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)The shares have to be valued somehow.
The company has to buy shares, e.g. when a shareowner dies.
GoCubsGo
(32,084 posts)I don't know if "co-op" is the best way to describe it, but he did turn the business over to his employees:
http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2010/02/bobs_red_mill_natural_foods_ro.html
patrice
(47,992 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,084 posts)The 6-grain is a good substitute, since the 8-grain is hard to come by here. They're all good, however.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)MissB
(15,810 posts)Bob is a good guy.
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)It would be the way for them to succeed now, too. Lots of farmers are drowning in debt, thanks to the likes of Monsatan.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)geardaddy
(24,931 posts)I don't remember my US history from that period well.
There are still farmer co-ops in the form of co-op grain elevators.
On edit: Here's some info on the National Grange: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Grange
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)I'm sure that there are many more we never hear of. I'm pretty sure my next venture is going to be something along these lines because the model has so many advantages.
Aren't most law firms very like a co-op? Obviously the sharing is not equitable, but the partnership model is fairly cooperative.
Agony
(2,605 posts)about co-ops...
http://www.garalperovitz.com/2012/03/the-new-union-co-op-model/
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Maybe if a group of people pooled their resources and bought an established business reinventing it as a coop, it could be done?
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Or, at least, they're now employee-owned. I also believe a lot of businesses went that way in Argentina.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)corporation?
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)...
The business was founded in 1864 when John Lewis set up a draper's shop in Oxford Street, London, which developed into a department store. In 1905 he bought the Peter Jones store in Sloane Square. In 1920 his son, John Spedan Lewis, expanded earlier power-sharing policies by sharing the profits the business made among the employees. The democratic nature and profit-sharing basis of the business were developed into a formal partnership structure and Spedan Lewis bequeathed the company to his employees. As of 2011, there are 81,000 partners the majority full-time working for the John Lewis Partnership.
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Finally, every partner receives an Annual Bonus, which is a share of the profit. It is calculated as a percentage of the salary, with the same percentage for everyone, from top management down to the shop floor and the storage rooms. The bonus is dependent on the profitability of the partnership each year, varying between 9% and 20% of the partners' annual salaries since 2000. The Annual Partnership Bonus for 2007 was the top end 20%, this is before the recession started. The Annual Partnership Bonus for 2008 was 15% of a partner's gross earnings for the 2007/2008 financial year. The Annual Partnership Bonus for 2009 was 13% of a partner's gross earnings for the 2008/2009 financial year. The Annual Partnership Bonus for 2010 was 15% of a partner's gross earnings for the 2009/2010 financial year.
In 1999, in response to a fall in profits, there were calls from some Partners for the business to be demutualised and floated on the stock market. If this had gone through, each Partner would have been guaranteed a windfall of up to £100,000 each, in order to compensate them for their share of the business. In the end, no one on the Partnership Council agreed with the idea and only one member spoke in favour of a referendum on the issue.
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Financial year Turnover Profit before tax Net profit Partner bonuses Profit retained
20112012 £8.73 billion £393.3 million £353.8 million £165.2 million (14%) £188.6 million
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lewis_Partnership
The elder of two sons of John Lewis, who had opened the John Lewis department store on Oxford Street, London, Spedan Lewis joined the business at 19 and in 1914 assumed control of his father's second shop, Peter Jones in Sloane Square, London.
After assuming control of the Oxford Street store with his father's death in 1928, Spedan Lewis officially formed the John Lewis Partnership, and began the distribution of profits among its employees (known as "partners" in 1929, and completed the move towards employee-ownership in 1950, with the transfer of control to the employees.
Spedan Lewis resigned as chairman in 1955, and was known within the company from that point on as "The Founder". In retirement, he lived at Longstock Park, near the village of Longstock in Hampshire until his death. In accordance with his wishes he was buried at sea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Spedan_Lewis