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A new patent granted this week aims to stop students from sharing textbooks, both off and online. The patent awarded to economics professor Joseph Henry Vogel hopes to embed the publishing world even further into academia. Under his proposal, students can only participate in courses when they buy an online access code which allows them to use the course book. No access code means a lower grade, all in the best interests of science.For centuries, students have shared textbooks with each other, but a new patent aims to stop this infringing habit.
The patent in question was granted to Professor of Economics Joseph Henry Vogel. He believes that piracy, lending and reselling of books is a threat to the publishing industry.
Professors are increasingly turning a blind eye when students appear in class with photocopied pages. Others facilitate piracy by placing texts in the library reserve where they can be photocopied, Vogel writes.
The result is less money for publishers, and fewer opportunities for professors like himself to get published. With Vogels invention, however, this threat can be stopped.
http://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-patent-prevents-students-from-sharing-books-120610/
There are so many things wrong with this I don't even know where to start.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)When photocopying a textbook is cheaper than buying the book, that book is way overpriced!
gregoire
(192 posts).
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)the minute her class is over. And she tries to buy used textbooks whenever possible. The prices on new textbooks are unbelievable.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
EC
(12,287 posts)economics prof.
NJCher
(35,675 posts)This idea isn't all that creative: it requires participation on a web board by the student and for that, the student must purchase an access code. The access code can be purchased separately from the book, so the system still allows students to purchase a used book.
So how does "the system" know if the student is using a pirated textbook or a used textbook?
The flaw in Vogel's "invention" is that he is assuming other professors will support him. I don't think so. I think that the prices on textbooks have been outrageously high for so long that they have lost the support of many of the teachers. A teacher has the option of whether to require the web board participation or not.
Also, the article says professors are increasingly turning a blind eye to photocopied pages, etc. Where does it say it's our job to police the publishing industry? That's their job, not ours. My colleagues and I just consider ourselves lucky if students get the book. These days, students look at buying the book as optional.
Getting them to read it is another thing entirely.
Very lame response by the textbook publishing industry, IMO.
Cher
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)Most of my fellow professors don't care much either way.
I use an online text that uses a similar technique to foil repeat use but only because I really like the pedagogy of the system.
rurallib
(62,416 posts)lilithsrevenge12
(136 posts)I'm in college and know so many students who have had to choose between literally starving themselves or barely affording classes, let alone books. The amount of kids i've watched lose their future because they can't afford to go to school is heartbreaking. These are the kids that end up working at the same shitty pizza place for the rest of their lives, that was just supposed keep them afloat until they were able to start their career. I'll feel bad for this professor and these companies when they know what it's like to have to choose every month between utilities or food. If 50% of college grads can't find a job, then what makes this guy think with their part-time, minimum wage job they can budget for a $400 book that will be worth $20 by the end of the semester. When a 25 cent raise in the price for ramen noodles is a ball buster, then don't try to call out these kids for photocopying a book. They're trying to survive in the situation their schools have put them in, this just happened to be a side effect of suffocating students financially.
Sadly, purchasing price for books and the buyback price you get for them, reflects all too well what college means to me, damn near worthless.
Mosby
(16,317 posts)Graduate with insane amounts of debt.
So yeah, I'm not feeling to sorry for profs that couldn't cash in with textbook sales.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)How many people here grew up sharing books, tapes, etc. with their friends?? The more "anti-piracy" and digital things become, the less we are allowed to share them with people and turn other people on to new things.
I still buy regular books and let as many people borrow them as wants to. I have a Bob Dylan biography that I haven't seen in about 7 years because it's literally been changing hands the whole time. These people aren't going to go out and buy it, but if they borrow it and have it sitting in their house for a few months eventually they pick it up and start thumbing through it and end up telling me how great it was and they couldn't put it down.
Initech
(100,079 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)along with those pricey codes for mandatory online content...I've seen way too many good students fail a class for lack of money/reliable online access...
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)corporations, & its all about privatizing, protected markets and getting more state-subsidized goodies.
http://www.phschool.com/atschool/
Prometheus Bound
(3,489 posts)The content in the different editions is 100% the same.
I don't know why American students let themselves be abused like that.
NJCher
(35,675 posts)I let my students buy the int'l editions.
Also, I have compared page-by-page newer editions to the older editions. I have become convinced the only reason for the newer editions is that the publisher has seen there are too many used copies out there floating around. That's because there are rarely substantial changes. On one from a recent semester, the author only changed the order of a few chapters, so what was once chapter 7 was now chapter 4; what was chapter 5 was now chapter whatever, and so on.
I sympathize with both sides--the students and the professors. Of all the professions, professors get paid the least, compared to doctors and lawyers. Also professors are under pressure to publish.
Yet our country has been ripping students off for the last decade. Tuition costs are through the roof and we all know about the number one debt in the country. It is unconscionable to make students pay huge amounts for books, especially when the technology now exists to make it less expensive for them.
If publishers charged a fair price, I think most students would pay it. I know my students and most are fundamentally honest. The ridiculousness of the prices is forcing students to cut corners where they can.
Cher
Prometheus Bound
(3,489 posts)They changed chapter numbers in the Canadian edition and did the same in the Asian edition but also changed the structure of some of the sentences in each section of each chapter. But the content was 100% the same.
When we used the $60 US version I saw a lot of photocopies and shared books in classes, but when we switched to the $20 Canadian and then Asian versions everyone had their own book. So the publisher probably made more money with the lower-priced edition.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)And we sit there and take it, or pass it off as "The cost of doing business," etc...
See: Healthcare, and a million other examples...
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Students could pay what they are able to pay.
Textbooks would be free on-line.
This professor should be fired from his job. He is trying to exploit his students.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)jp11
(2,104 posts)Publishing is also about sharing ideas and gaining respect not just about making money which is what this professor seems to be most concerned about.
College text book prices are and have been insane for years, toss in how they'll often release a new edition every year or so to fix all the mistakes that somehow made it through their valuable publishing process so that they can then have school require students to buy the new edition. Or at the least they have the school stores pull all the old editions they buyback for pennies on the dollar then send them back to the publisher to be destroyed and then sell the new edition exclusively.
girl gone mad
(20,634 posts)The publishing industry does not have student's best interests at heart.
originalpckelly
(24,382 posts)Get some authors to write for a foundation, create textbooks, then host those textbooks for free on file sharing networks. If it is licensed right, it would be perfectly fucking legal.
The money that the foundation raises wouldn't have to go to hosting like Wikipedia's does, but could go straight to paying the people who author the books.
I'm willing to bet that professors everywhere would enjoy getting the money direct, and students wouldn't have to pay directly for their textbooks.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)We are no longer citizens and human beings in this corporate state. We are walking human resources to be used, exploited, and squeezed dry of as much money as possible for every aspect of our existence.
Occupy.
Seeking Serenity
(2,840 posts)(Spoken as a mother of a soon-to-be-college-bound child.)
Robb
(39,665 posts)Textbook model is dying; educators will be collaboratively designing digital textbooks for their own schools within the decade.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)Bull-fucking-shit.