OMFG - turn on Dr Brian Williams right now

[malaise]

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Surgeon at Dallas hospital - a doctor who has been profiled and who knows the pain speaks.
Let's hear from the rest of American doctors - time to stop the killing and stop the guns

http://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2016/07/parkland-surgeon-we-have-to-cometogether-and-end-all-this/

[Hoyt]

1. Gunners and NRA have opposed primary care physicians even asking families about guns in house.

Christ, the gunners don't even want to discuss gun safety with their physicians.

I saw a little of the doctor, it was very good. You are right, time to stop the killing.

[malaise]

3. Everyone at the table here is exposing racism

Dr. Williams says he wants time off - I am in tears.

[aikoaiko]

41. As you know there was more to that than what you wrote.

A physician declined to provide further services to a family that didn't want to answer the question regarding guns in the household.


Nothing would have stopped the physician from handing over a pamphlet on safe storage even after the law was created.

I never liked the law in Florida which prevented physicians from asking about guns in the home, but I didn't like what that doctor did even more.

[Hoyt]

46. The doctor made a valid point to a gun yahoo, maybe saved a life. AND YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT LAW.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/07/29/court-upholds-restriction-on-doctor-patient-speech-about-guns/

1. First, what does the statute actually do?

A. It provides that a doctor may not ask questions (in writing or orally) “concerning the ownership [or home possession] of a firearm or ammunition by the patient or by a family member,” unless the doctor “in good faith believes that this information is relevant to the patient’s medical care or safety, or the safety of others.” And, according to the court, “relevant” here means relevant based on “some particularized information about the individual patient, for example, that the patient is suicidal or has violent tendencies.” A doctor thus may not ask all patients, or all patients with children, whether they own guns, whether on an intake questionnaire or in person, even if the doctor believes that this information would indeed be useful in giving general advice about safe gun storage, the supposed dangers of any gun ownership, and the like.

B. It bans doctors from “intentionally enter[ing] any disclosed information concerning firearm ownership into the patient’s medical record if the practitioner knows that such information is not relevant to the patient’s medical care or safety, or the safety of others,” with the same interpretation of “relevant.”


You can read the rest at the link, that discusses the minor issue that apparently irritates you in one case. The statute ties the doc's hands because gunners don't want to hear the truth.

[aikoaiko]

59. You need to reread what I wrote and the wapo article more carefully

The bolded section is about asking questions verbally or in writing.

I said a pamphlet on gun safety/safe storage could be handed out.

They couldn't ban doctors from declining to provide services, but they tried to ban doctors from asking questions about gun ownership.

[Hoyt]

62. And my original post said docs can't ask about guns and you came back with some gunner crud.

Fact is, law limits asking yahoos if they guns are safe around their kids.

If I were a doc, I wouldn't treat these gunners' kids either, unless they answered questions/concerns on guns, unless they had a immediate emergency:

[aikoaiko]

66. Still the stupid law prevented a greater stupidity and it still allowed docs to provide safety info.

[Hoyt]

70. Brochures aren't much help to smokers, much less yahoos addicted to gunz. A doc

has to look the gunner in the face and say, "you are putting your kids at risk and others, plus your gun loving kid is likely to grow up to he a callous, racist GOPer, is that what you want because you need gunz to feel empowered." There's more, but you get what's necessary.

[aikoaiko]

91. Yeah I see what you think is necessary.

You scare me Hoyt.

[Person 2713]

80. Can't believe that last picture. The women smiles as her baby touches when she IMO should be

pushing the baby's hand away. I am assuming that is not a toy gun?
Start safety early IMO looks like she is treating it as a play distraction

[gwheezie]

102. I ask every patient if they have access to weapons

It's part of our assessment. No one has challanged us on this question.

[aikoaiko]

103. Would you deny services if some said I'd rather not answer that question?

Because that is what happened in FL

[gwheezie]

106. Nope

I work in a hospital. We are mandated to treat every one.
We only ask people who come in for psychiatric evaluation and treatment

[Ilsa]

67. Same with parents taking kids to pediatricians.

I think the pediatricians used to ask parents in the safety check if they had guns in the house and if they were stored safely. I am not sure they can even do that any more.
I guess if the kid shows up dying from a GSW in the emergency room, the dr. can mark that question in the questionnaire "Yes". Too bad they can't report it to the CDC.

[tonyt53]

2. Insurance companies need to ask the same.

[hack89]

4. They do

but since they only cover accidents they don't really care because it is not a huge financial risk to them. When I bought my house they asked about dogs and swimming pools but not guns.

[hunter]

38. Glaring omission, isn't it?

My insurance company wanted to know about my dogs, going so far as to send a guy out to my house to check on that and a few other things (yes, the hot tub is empty and currently inoperable), but nope, they didn't ask me about guns.

[tonyt53]

52. Mine have never asked about guns, but they sure ask about pools, dogs and wood-burning fireplaces.

And they have asked about hot tubs.

[hack89]

56. They understand the true risk that guns present

that is why it is not a priority to them - guns don't cost them a lot of money.

[Hoyt]

58. They understand there is not much coverage for bodily injury if you shoot someone. That's main

That's main reason "risk is low," most home owners policies barely cover enough to get one to the emergency room and an intial consultation and IVs.

And if you buy higher liability insurance from say the NRA, you recognize you might be the next george zimmerman or one to shoot an unarmed teenager on your front porch.

[hack89]

60. It has more to do with how rare accidents are

compared to the number of legal gun owners.

Your comment on higher liability insurance makes no sense. I have an umbrella policy that covers all accidents, not just guns. I was thinking more about some kid tripping and breaking an arm more than I was accidentally shooting someone. In any case, the guns are never loaded at the house, only at the range so I am not worried about a gun accident.

[Hoyt]

61. How many gunners are like you -- no loaded guns for home defense, and none in their pants standing

line at Chuck E Cheese. Heck, some of our DU gunners have body armor to go along with their weapon cache. And we all know, George Zimmerman pretty much got a thumbs up for profiling, stalking, intimidating and finally murdering Trayvon Martin.

[hack89]

63. The great majority, I would think, based on gun violence statistics.

take away suicides and criminal activity and there are not many gun deaths attributable to legal gun owners. Very rare relative to how many legal gun owners there are.

[Hoyt]

64. You have a strange tolerance for unnecessary deaths by irresponsible gun owners, including those

stupid enough to carry in public, intimidate people, and even carry a rifle to Dallas protests.

[hack89]

65. Your fears and prejudices, like most, are irrational.

I feel no obligation to defer to the demons in your imagination. I am not the problem.

[hunter]

68. If the insured's dog bites a visiting toddler the insurance company has to pay out.

If the insured's own toddler finds a gun and shoots themselves or a sibling, if the insured shoots themselves or a someone else, if a sixteen year old gangster steals their gun to use in a drive-by shooting, they don't.

Why is that?

[hack89]

69. They do pay out for gun accidents but not for criminal acts.

So they will pay out for two of your three examples. That is why I have additional liability insurance - just in case.

[hunter]

71. Dogs and hot tubs are rarely exempt as "criminal acts" yet guns are?

My wife and I once had a bad neighbor who was heavily invested in bad dogs and bad guns. Three chained pit bulls, and who knows how many guns, or how much ammunition.

Animal control, yep, the county dog catchers, mostly bad ass women, took him down at a dog fight. He went to jail, his landlord found nicer tenants.

Piss on guns. Why should guns be privileged? The second amendment is bullshit.

[malaise]

72. +1,000

That simple

[hack89]

73. The concept of "criminal acts" is not complicated

if you deliberately break the law to shoot someone then it is a crime. How does one use a hot tub to deliberately commit a crime and hurt someone?

[hunter]

74. So, what's the overall social cost of gun fuckery?

How does it compare to misadventures by hot tub?

[hack89]

76. Now you understand why insurance companies refuse to cover criminal acts

they don't want to expose themselves to such risk. Insurance companies are not going to help you with gun control.

[hunter]

77. Gun control? Do I seek to control your guns?

In my family, yes. In my community, yes.

If I know you, if I decide you are a fool, then fear for your guns.

The Berserker genes are strong in me.

[hack89]

78. Many controllers fantasize about high insurance premiums as a bar to gun ownership.

but their typical ignorance about guns is matched by their ignorance about insurance.

[hunter]

81. Piss on guns, piss on "insurance" too.

Would you like me to write more?

[hack89]

83. I appreciate your words

I am sure Wayne also appreciates the help people like you give the NRA. Makes his job a lot easier.

[hunter]

84. People like me have experienced bloody reality.

How about you?

Tell me a story.

[hack89]

85. I am a combat veteran

who in 35 years of private gun ownership has never harmed a living thing. Like most Americans I have not been touched by gun violence. Now alcohol, drugs and mental illness ... I can tell you several devastating stories. I know what the real threat is to my family.

[hunter]

86. What's the real threat?

Go ahead, tell this mentally ill person who has been touched too frequently by gun violence.

Piss on guns.

[hack89]

87. Alcohol and drugs are what kill people where I live

gun violence is extremely rare.

[hunter]

88. Lucky for you.

I can do a walking tour "victims of gun violence" in my neighborhood.

Sad memorials, maintained by friends and family, teddy bears, flowers, crosses and such.

Once upon a time I was a privileged white child in an Ivory Soap 99/44% pure white community. My parents didn't like it, a job, it is what it is, and I fled, my siblings fled, and my parents fled days after they retired.

White Gun Fuckery U.S.A. sucks.

Would you like to hear a story?

[hack89]

89. No real point

you hate guns. I get it. I see no reason to cater to your fears - I enjoy guns and intend to keep enjoying them. Not sure we have much to discuss.

[hunter]

90. My gun stories are awesome! What's the matter with you?

Scrubbing brains out of the carpet and shit.

[hack89]

92. So?

If it was so traumatic then by all means resist every effort to make you buy and own guns ... oh wait. No one is forcing you to own guns. Never mind.

[hunter]

95. If you were mine I might take your guns.

Are you us?

I don't have any nice gun stories, aside from the obviously rabid skunk or raccoon variety.

Shooting lost and confused bats in the attic is nuts...

People have told me I'm very talented with guns, a fucking cold autistic spectrum Gary guy, but all I see is brains on the carpet.

PTSD shit.

Would you like to hear a story about the worst landlord in the world?

His solution to many sordid things was Kilz.

[hack89]

96. Ok. Nt

[hunter]

97. Are you us?

[hack89]

98. I am me and me alone. Nt

[hunter]

100. That's sad.

People are social creatures.

I'm an autistic spectrum idiot savant, I learned that from my dogs.

My postings on DU are hard won.

Guns?

Nope. It's probably someone trying to use me.

Brains on the carpet, no thanks.

[Marengo]

105. What does that mean, "are you us"?

[Marengo]

104. What do you mean "fear for your guns"? What would you do?

[Surya Gayatri]

5. Absolutely gut-wrenching. His heart is broken.

He was nearly sobbing because he couldn't save those cops, and because his black brothers in MN and LA had been massacred.

[malaise]

6. I expect to hear more from doctors everywhere

This is a lovely diverse group - they are in the business of saving lives - they are discussing what to do the next time.Maybe it's time for the society to do the same.

For me this is the best medical press conference ever.

[Surya Gayatri]

8. ^^^AMEN to this!^^^

[malaise]

11. This is amazing - all of them are amazing

this is about the real problems - I'm loving this.

[Surya Gayatri]

17. The contrast with the talking yam's campaign screed just minutes earlier

couldn't be more stark and damning.

Compassionate, competent, caring "love-in-action" vs. rabble-rousing "law and order" rhetoric.

The toupéed fucktrumpet had the gall to label himself the "compassionate candidate".

[malaise]

25. I switched from him

Can't watch for too long

[Spazito]

7. It was heartbreaking and very powerful...

I hope more and more speak out as he did.

[malaise]

9. He's speaking again

This is important because all our professionals face this racism. He needs a vacation or he will break down.

[malaise]

13. Why don't doctors and medical schools

and their associations speak out more against the guns particularly the assault rifles?

Where is the AMA, CDC - why does CDC allow ReTHUG bullies to prevent them from doing research?

This is the moment to shut down the fucking anti-science duncified ReTHUGs and the Fundie friends

[misterhighwasted]

21. Perhaps this group will bring more out to speak publicly. It has to begin somewhere.

They are also fed up.

[Surya Gayatri]

23. Because unfortunately, a lot of docs are VERY right wing.

If you can believe it, my bro., an emergency room physician, was SO afraid of "Obummer" taking away the nation's gunzzz, that he went out-of-state to buy an AR-15 (they're illegal in his state).

He'd never been interested in owning gunzzz before, but suddenly, faced with the "Obummer menace", he needed one so that he could "target practice" with his doc. buddies.

The AMA is a RW organization in large part.

[Hoyt]

26. Actually the AMA took a pretty big step in June after Orlando.

Doctors calling gun violence a 'very public health crisis' Doctors calling gun violence a 'very public health crisis'

Wednesday, 15 Jun 2016 | 9:02 AM ET|00:34

"The massacre in Orlando spurred the American Medical Association on Tuesday to formally call gun violence "a very public health crisis," and say the organization will "actively lobby" Congress to end a funding ban on federal health research into the problem."

"With approximately 30,000 men, women and children dying each year at the barrel of a gun in elementary schools, movie theaters, workplaces, houses of worship and on live television, the United States faces a public health crisis of gun violence," said the AMA's president, Dr. Steven Stack.

"Even as America faces a crisis unrivaled in any other developed country, the Congress prohibits the [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] from conducting the very research that would help us understand the problems associated with gun violence and determine how to reduce the high rate of firearm-related deaths and injuries."

The AMA noted it has "numerous, long-standing policies that support increasing the safety of firearms and their use, and reducing and preventing firearm violence." The group said it "recognizes that uncontrolled ownership and use of firearms, especially handguns, is a serious threat to the public's health inasmuch as the weapons are one of the main causes of intentional and unintentional injuries and deaths." The AMA has also supported legislation calling for a waiting period before purchasing any form of firearm in the U.S. and requiring background checks for all handgun purchasers.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/14/american-medical-association-says-gun-violence-is-a-public-health-crisis.html

___________________


I am sure armed yahoos will say what do a bunch of physicians know about guns (they don't know a clip from a magazine, or a semi-auto from a full-auto)? Gunners always say crap like that.

Well, the docs get the see the mayhem gunners' sick habit produces, either directly or indirectly whether from a white wing terrorist, a stolen gun in Chicago, a child who finds daddy's little helper under the bed, some disturbed teenager introduced to the gun culture by a proud daddy, some yahoo shooting an unarmed kid because he could, some toter who screws up, and worse.

[malaise]

29. Thanks for this

medical peeps face the worst of it

[Hoyt]

31. The AMA is fairly conservative and late to the game here. But they are a big lobby and can make

a difference.

[Spazito]

32. I think some have tried, the CDC has been almost absent, though, on this issue...

but those who have tried are drowned out by the NRA and their republican acolytes thanks to a media who facilitates them, imo.

[malaise]

34. I want to see how this is covered

If GEM$NBComcast had one iota of sense, decency or interest in the current racial discourse, they'd carry this at 10.00pm instead of that stupid Jebusenoughfuggingbushes interview with Nicole Wallace, the family friend.

[Spazito]

37. I agree...

My Canadian news network has been covering it extensively, commenting on the power and emotion exhibited by the doctors, especially Dr. Williams.

[malaise]

39. CBC is up there with the best

Guess M$Greedia has moved on to the latest shooting in Michigan. I give up.

[Spazito]

44. It really is, it has been my mainstay even for US news...

CBC has moved to the Michigan shooting as well but they will continue to showcase Dr. Williams' emotional plea as well which is what I like, they multi-task when it comes to the news instead of dropping the previous big story completely to cover the next one.

[malaise]

47. One of my favorite links

http://www.publicradiofan.com/cgibin/station.pl?stationid=13

[Spazito]

82. Very cool!

That is a very interesting site, I will have to take a good look at what it offers, thanks for the link!

[SheilaT]

43. The CDC is absent on this issue because a few years ago Congress passed a law

explicitly forbidding the CDC from doing any research related to guns, gun violence, or how to prevent the violence.

Explicitly forbidding. That's what our Congress did.

[Spazito]

45. That's true...

however I would like to see the CDC speak out against that very restriction and they have not to any extent from what I have heard and seen.

[SheilaT]

48. I'm sure if the CDC or any of its employees or representatives had spoken out,

they'd have been immediately fired.

In line with what's being said in this thread, I'm greatly bothered that doctors as individuals or as part of any of their professional organizations, have not spoken out against all the legislators who think they can practice medicine, especially in the area of restrictions on abortion.

[Spazito]

50. Relative to the subject at hand, the doctors who spoke out today...

certainly stand out from the norm as would those in the profession who would call out the repub legislators on their egregious overreaching into the medical field to further their medieval views on the rights of women.

[malaise]

49. The Medical Schools, Doctors, Nurses and others in the profession should have

made more noise. They had better.

Why haven't Dems exposed ReTHUGs on this more.
I'd have ads for every shooting on their policies re guns and slaughter.

[SheilaT]

53. Yes, they should have. They should have been speaking out on this issue all along.

I also think that perhaps a good way to get actual gun control of some kind would be for every single newspaper do a big front page article every single time there is a death from a gun in their circulation area. And an article not very far inside of the woundings from guns. Every single local news broadcast should lead with that coverage. In some big cities (Chicago comes to mind) the front page and the entire half hour local news would be nearly all coverage of shootings.

But maybe people would finally figure out just how terrible the toll is.

I'm sincerely sorry that it has taken the mass shooting of cops for people to start caring so much. 20 school children were just a yawn. 49 people in a gay nightclub, who cares? But 5 police officers all at once actually created an attention span.

Don't get me wrong. I do not condone what happened in Dallas. But if you think about it, it's somewhat surprising that someone hasn't targeted cops before this. Maybe, just maybe, the NRA will finally lose all credibility.

I can only hope.

[malaise]

57. The most amazing thing at Don the Con's rally today was the cheering when he spoke about the cops

and the complete silence when he mentioned the two dead African-Americans killed by the police.
The racists are his fans.

[Eleanors38]

54. My understanding is the CDC was prevented from gun-control advocacy, not research.

In fact, President Obama asked for and received from the CDC, a summation of research on guns, and the agency responded that the research to date was unable to substantiate the conclusions the research purported to show. NOTE: This included research John Lott's conclusions that more guns = less crime, or some such. Such a conclusion strongly indicates the CDC was well aware of the politics of the subject, both theirs and others.

[yodermon]

19. "7 other people ready"... what does that mean exactly?

[misterhighwasted]

22. So sorry..this was misread on MSNBC news ticker..

Just that he had planned a much larger attack

[pamela]

12. That was so powerful.

I came on here to see if anyone was talking about it.

[malaise]

14. All of them were powerful

Still going on - this is all I want to hear - shut down the media hacks.

[Angry Dragon]

15. The NRA is just the lobbying arm of gun manufacturers

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[misterhighwasted]

18. Exactly. That is all they are. Nothing more.

They have no credibility and should have no more respect than any other corporation promoting their own greed.

[misterhighwasted]

27. HERE: Through the eyes of the NRA profiteers

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57839d66e4b05b4c02fd1631


Dallas Shooting Was NRA’s Prescription For Black America, In Practice
The NRA were the only winners in Dallas.

Excellent Read

[Hoyt]

40. Besides gun profiteers, here are a few other NRA board members:

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[misterhighwasted]

16. This Press conf is amazing. Pretty raw with the truth of who these people are.

Most honorable group of people.
WOW.

[malaise]

20. It was amazing

They lifted the tone of the discussion to the level required. I'm so glad I saw all of it.

[madinmaryland]

24. OMG!! MSNBC's Brian Williams is now claiming to be a doctor??

WTF!!!

[malaise]

28. You win the thread - this one

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/black-doctor-treated-dallas-cops-violence-stop-article-1.2707316

During an otherwise straightforward press conference, a black doctor who treated dying Dallas police officers nearly broke down in tears Monday as he pleaded for an end to racial violence.

"This killing, it has to stop," Dr. Brian H. Williams, a trauma surgeon at Parkland Memorial Hospital, said during the afternoon conference.

"Black men dying and being forgotten. People retaliating against the people that are sworn to defend us. We have to come together and end all of this."

Williams told media he understands "the anger" black people hold against police officers, and remains haunted by the police killings of black men in Louisiana and Minnesota last week.


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The Press Conference was anything but straightforward.

Why would GEM$NBComcast play Jeb Bush's interview in full and not this.
I'd love CSpan to carry the entire Press Conference. You had to see it to believe it.

[monmouth4]

33. I swear I read that and thought the same thing.LOL..n/t

[malaise]

42. Well I did say oh clearly not lyin Williams

[RKP5637]

30. K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[flamingdem]

35. How amazing was that

felt so lucky to catch that presser, what honesty from him.

Dallas is looking impressive, great people.

[malaise]

36. He was the most forthright at the beginning

but all of them impressed me.

I am so glad I caught it

[mountain grammy]

51. If you can watch that and not be affected

you have no soul.

[malaise]

55. So true

People should be given the chance to watch it - it was the best post shooting medical press conference I have ever seen

[Lucinda]

75. KNR

[malaise]

79. Another link

[AngryAmish]

93. What an unfortunate name.

On edit:. Could be worse

http://www.nie.edu.sg/profile/chew-shit-fun

[malaise]

94. LOL

Everyone's first thought

[HipChick]

99. No matter his station..every black male has been profiled

[stage left]

101. K&R

[malaise]

107. Saw a report on ABC, Miami this morning

Did Joe Scum cover this?