Philandro Castile he was, POLITE. FOLLOWED orders. EXECUTED.

[sheshe2]

#PhilandoCastile

Adam Khan ?@Khanoisseur


✔️ NO criminal record
✔️ LICENSED to carry
✔️ FOLLOWED orders
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Executed #FalconHeightsShooting pic.twitter.com/xl4d8XRj76




I was going to write something about Philando Castile. But it seems that I just write the same words every time, substituting a new name. Talk is becoming pointless. Action is what's needed. This is your thread to discuss that.

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/

[SkeleTim1968]

1. I had read on FB that he was stopped as a robbery suspect.

Does anyone know if this is true or just the news media smearing him?

[MidwestTransplant]

3. MAJOR effort to smear him

See below:
http://www.snopes.com/philando-castile-was-not-wanted-for-armed-robbery/

People are even saying he's wearing the same clothes in the robbery pic as in the car. NOT. They have to twist the facts to fit their racist narrative.

[SkeleTim1968]

20. Where do we go from here?

It seems like everything is still. People are hugging , but it's far from over and I honestly don't know what to expect next.
Yes protests are going on but Dallas shooting just made me feel like everything is somehow different, and not in a good way.
I hope I'm just paranoid.

[sheshe2]

4. Philando Castile was stopped 52 times by police

By Associated Press

PUBLISHED: July 9, 2016 at 12:01 pm | UPDATED: July 10, 2016 at 11:35 am




When Philando Castile saw the flashing lights in his rearview mirror the night he got shot, it wasn’t unusual. He had been pulled over at least 52 times in recent years in and around the Twin Cities and given citations for minor offenses including speeding, driving without a muffler and not wearing a seat belt.

He was assessed at least $6,588 in fines and fees, although more than half of the total 86 violations were dismissed, court records show.
snip//



The Castile video “is pretty horrific,” said Gavin Kearney, who in 2003 co-authored a report to the Minnesota Legislature on racial profiling in the state. “There are things we don’t know about it. But we know there are certain assumptions and biases — whether explicit or implicit — about black men that affect how police officers interpret their actions. And we know white drivers are less likely to be pulled over.”

Court records dating to 2002 show Castile, a 32-year-old school cafeteria supervisor, averaged more than three traffic stops per year and received citations for misdemeanors or petty misdemeanors.

You Decide: http://www.twincities.com/2016/07/09/philando-castile-was-stopped-52-times-by-police-was-is-racial-profiling/

[Bernardo de La Paz]

14. One thing (of many) can be done: stop using ticket quotas. Another: make leadership accountable.

Ticket quotas are an excuse for unequal enforcement.

Police forces must not be revenue generation machines.
Police forces must not be made to pay their own way (tickets and civil forfeiture).

There must be better measures of community policing and better funding.

This in large part the result of Republican strangulation of government services (lack of training, pressure on funding, pressure to retain bad cops with seniority, lots of unnecessary evil pressures).

Further, hold police leadership accountable for the actions of the police officers. If an officer is fired for or convicted of malfeasance, then the officers up the chain of command need to be investigated to find the one that allow the criminal to prosper within the department. Fire that commanding officer.

[sheshe2]

18. You are 100% correct.

One thing (of many) can be done: stop using ticket quotas. Another: make leadership accountable.

The PD is not a retailer where sales figures matter. Do they get a bonus after the tickets and the body count? If so, it needs to stop. Thanks Bernardo.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

16. Please don't take this the wrong way.

But could have he been that bad a driver?
That's an incredible amount of citations, even while driving black.

[SkeleTim1968]

19. Jesus.

$6,588 in fines, more than half of the total 86 violations were dismissed.


I wonder, how many more of these violations were were made up on the spot?

[sarae]

51. That's a perfect example of how the system financially punishes black men,

if they don't outright kill them. Disgusting.

[tblue37]

6. The cop claimed that Castile's "wide set nose" made him match the description.

His "wide set nose"?!

Why not just come right out and say it--his black skin made him look like a robbery suspect to the cop--and would have even if there was no robbery anywhere near the vicinity within the previous month!

[sheshe2]

8. Please tell me are making this up!

The cop claimed that Castile's "wide set nose" made him match the description.
His "wide set nose"?!

Dear Gawd! It is time to unfuck America. Sorry tblue. What an ugly racist comment they made. FFS, what is wrong with theses people?

[tblue37]

32. That is the reason the cop gives when telling Dispatch that he is going to pull

Castile over. (They have the recording transcript.)

http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2016/07/08/minnesota-cop-pulled-philando-castile-wide-set-nose/

Here is the transcript from the recording, posted on KARE 11:

“I’m going to stop a car,” the officer says on the recording. “I’m going to check IDs. I have reason to pull it over.”

“The two occupants just look like people that were involved in a robbery,” the officer says. “The driver looks more like one of our suspects, just ‘cause of the wide set nose,” the officer continues.

A minute and a half later, the recording captures the first report that there was a shooting.

Officer: “Shots fired Larpenteur and Fry.”
Dispatch: “Copy you just heard it? … You just heard the shots fired?”
Officer: (screaming) “Code 3! Shots fired.”
Dispatch: “Copy shots fired Larpenteur and Fry. Do you need medics?”
Officer: “Code 3!”
Dispatch: “Copy. Medics — code 3 to Larpenteur and Fry.”
Officer: “One adult female taken into custody. Driver at gunpoint.”

[uponit7771]

54. omfg

[mcar]

57. He could see his nose that closely from his police car?

Don't think so.

[1StrongBlackMan]

26. So they're going withthe ...

"all Black folks look alike" thing?

[tblue37]

33. Yep. They couldn't be more blatant, could they? nt

[Orrex]

52. No doubt the cop consulted with a phrenologist before murdering Castile

[griloco]

22. funny...so was Bill Russell

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027994461

[uponit7771]

53. Its a typical excuse, same used on Bill Russel 40 years ago

[Warpy]

2. That license to carry did him no good at all

when he was faced with a twitchy cop who panicked.

I'm beginning to think we not only need to test cops for steroid abuse, we also need to start feeding them Valium so they can cope with the job without freaking out and shooting every time a black man moves.

I just wonder if there will be charges against that cop and if they will stick this time.

Nah.

[IronLionZion]

17. I could support a valium for guns plan

where if people leave their guns at home they can have some valium, or weed, or chamomile tea, or whatever makes them calm down.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

43. The problem is the distorted sense of fear and suspicion of a black man is coupled with

a subconscious or conscious knowledge that a "bad shoot" of a black person will still be incredibly unlikely to result in serious consequences due to a legal system stacked heavily in the police's favor and a public that doesn't really care about dodgy shootings of black man by cops unless the video of events is rubbed in their faces.

Even if you can't eradicate racism from the heart of a person, you can change the system so they have SOME likelihood of facing consequences if they take a life carelessly or wrongly. That would be just one thing that would start to tip the scales in terms of making such events less common.

[uponit7771]

5. +1, This part of the coversations I've had this weekend; We meet a cop just be prepared to die now..

... cause there's little we can do.

This guy followed all the rules...

Chief Brown seems to be the answer to a lot of this, he's lead and promoted a PD that has very few officer involved shootings this year.

There's hope

[guillaumeb]

7. Three things:

Young

dreads

black

[sheshe2]

9. Yup.

And so very dangerous! WTF!?

Thanks guillaumeb. Tears~

[guillaumeb]

11. Too many occasions for tears she.

Imagine if Cliven and Ammon Bundy were black. Their story would have ended far differently.

[sheshe2]

12. If they were black they would have ....

Been slaughtered within the hour.

[KT2000]

10. Oh, that picture...

a good man gone from this world.

[forest444]

13. And his family. Dear God.

To lose a loved one like that. And they know his murderers will probably never be held accountable - and what's worse, are being coddled by many on the right and may later on be rewarded by them in some substantive way.

[StoneCarver]

28. I saw on the news last night

That the cop was interviewed the next day! WTF? You or I would be interviewed immediately! This has to stop, in the name of justice.
Stonecarver

[forest444]

41. Is that right?

Just wow. That's the worst part: that it isn't even shocking anymore.

Even so, thank you for the update even so. That's my favorite thing about DU: that when one isn't informed, someone else will be and will share it. A true newsroom, of the kind there are very few left.

[sheshe2]

15. A young man with his life ahead of him.

Such a thug in his white shirt and tie... if anyone needs it. He worked in a Montessori School. He was loved and now he is morned.

[sangfroid]

21. I've seen the tape a couple of times

And I have to ask if the cop was given a piss test? Because to be truthful, he was twitchy, screaming, all the symptoms of 'roid rage. Going for that big bulky look all the heat loves so much.

[The Jungle 1]

23. Same here

I want cops tested for steroids every time there is an violent act!

[marmar]

24. Did everything he was asked, detailed what he was doing....

.... and was still shot dead.

[metroins]

25. Not to be crass

But this is one of the real tragedies to be publicized.

Most of the other death's, the person killed had surrounding incidents that can justify the shooting.

This death feels and seems to be radial motivated.

[sheshe2]

30. Which ones are you referring to?

Most of the other death's, the person killed had surrounding incidents that can justify the shooting.

[metroins]

31. It'll be controversial

But I'll go.


Trayvon. Zimmerman was proven innocent and Trayvon was shot in an upward angle because he was on top of Zimmerman.

M Brown. He reached in the officers car, was shot in the hand, then he ran, turned around and charged Wilson, and was shot from the front.

Garner. A definite questionable. Non procedure choke hold, but he resisted arrest and was extremely overweight which contributed to death. Police didn't intend to kill.

Gray. No evidence of rough ride, had pre existing injuries and arrested correctly. Inside van is questionable but doesn't seem intentional.

Bland. All evidence points at suicide.

Alton. Multiple Felon, had gun, resists arrest with gun on persons. Police yells gun (meaning he reached) prior to shooting.

These aren't race related, they're circumstances. The white kid in Michigan attacked a cop, got shot.

You threaten people, you get shot.

[sheshe2]

34. Holy Mother of God.

You just posted all this RW crap. You are a Hill supporter??? I don't think so.

I think I need to go to the bathroom and puke now.

[metroins]

35. It's not RW

It's my personal opinion on those cases.

If you talk MACRO, I'll have different conversations.

If you talk MICRO. on the most publicized cases, I've looked into them and that's my findings.

I support Hillary because she's the most intelligent candidate. You asked your questions and I answered on a MICRO level.

[bravenak]

37. It is rightwing nonsense at the basic level

[metroins]

38. I don't think so.

We don't have to discuss all of the cases, we will likely not agree...

But I don't think you should call my opinions Right Wing. On many of the cases, juries and grand juries agree with me.

I'm not RW, I'm stating my opinions and I think the publicized cases were incorrectly chosen to highlight a problem.

[IL Lib]

44. You have made quite a few assumptions.

All going against the persons who were killed. Let's take the Trayvon incident. So what if he were on top of Zimmerman? Zimmerman STALKED him. Was he not allowed to defend himself? So that I am understanding your post, you're saying that it was okay for Zimmerman to stalk a kid, although he was told by LE not to do so. Ending with Trayvon being murdered.

All of your examples are off but it's too late to be going back and forth.

[metroins]

48. No

A jury found Zimmerman not guilty, I watched the trial. It doesn't really matter what occurred leading up to it, because that wasn't illegal, all that mattered was, Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman and Z feared for his life. The "stalking" you mentioned wasn't an illegal act nor was Z shooting Trayvon as Trayvon "ground and pound him".

We don't have to relive the trial but a jury found Z not guilty.

What I'm saying is, you have a "victim" who had a rap sheet, kicked out of school, burglary tools, drugs, beating others up etc. That "victim" is not a good case for the "cause" because they aren't credible. The media chose to publicize it incorrectly.

This current case seems like a legit case to be publicized.

[bravenak]

36. Bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit

I can show you video of whites actually shooting at cops or pounting high power rifles at cops and coming out of it perfectly alive and well.
What about Tamir Rice? What about all the other victims?
You know damn well it is the color of our skin that causes the aggressiveness of the police. We are 12 percent of the population but almost 50 percent of police victims. Why? Explain why blacks are pulled over and searched at magnitudes of order greater than whites for contraband (guns, drugs), when whites and blacks do drugs at similar rates and own guns far far far more often. If you cannot explain the disparities, you might need to pipe down.

[metroins]

39. Macro vs micro

I was asked about which cases I think we're poorly publicized. I listed micro cases.

Read my posts subjectively.

I think the "movement" shouldn't publicize bad cases.

[bravenak]

40. Umm hm

[mr_liberal]

42. Thats how I see them all too. +1.

Looks like the guy in the car had a gun on his lap and met the description of an armed robber, then reached his hand after told not to move. I dont know, we ll see as all the evidence comes out.

[IL Lib]

45. WTF??? n/t

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

47. Another right wing troll.

[gollygee]

58. Holy crap

I have nothing more to say about that.

[HughBeaumont]

59. Super. Wingnut narratives on DU.

That's what was missing.

Bet you'd blame a 12 year old for his own death. Timothy Loehmann belongs in jail.

[metroins]

60. I would likely blame the parents

A child pointing a lifelike gun at strangers is a parenting problem.

The guns we played with in public were yellow squirt guns.

Insulting me isn't nice, a person asked what I meant and I elaborated on how I view the cases.

[HughBeaumont]

61. My kid has the same lifelike Airsoft gun.

Several of them, as a matter of fact. I wouldn't even think twice about telling him not to "brandish" it in public. Why do you think that IS, exactly?

What "orders" was Tamir Rice supposed to follow in .79 seconds? I mean, that IS the elapsed time on the video between when the police appear and he gets gunned down in cold blood by Timothy Loehmann.

I'm not nice to people who repeat ridiculous "YAY ALL COPS!!" narratives. When a marginalized group of people tell you "STOP KILLING US" and the person goes "BUT . . . .", Sorry. My nephew's and niece's lives aren't up for negotiation or debate.

[doc03]

27. I was talking to one of my Fox News addicted friends today he said Castile had the gun

between his legs and when he reached for it and that is when the cop shot him. I don't watch Fox but I assume that is where he heard that. I have a question in my mind. The girlfriend said Castile told the cop he had a CCW. Now the cop shoots him when he is reaching for his wallet. Did the cop ask him for his license and registration? If not how would he know Castile wasn't reaching for a gun?
We were told you keep your hands on the wheel and tell the cop you have a CCW. You wait to see how the cop wants to handle it you don't take your hands off the wheel unless told to so.

[griloco]

29. he'd been stopped 52 times for minor traffic offenses

And this time with a young lady and her daughter in the car, having, no doubt, run the tag, knowing exactly who he is, suddenly he's a robbery suspect...?

[In_The_Wind]

49. .

[Vattel]

50. Do we know that it is this simple?

Call me a racist if that makes you feel good, but I will wait to hear the evidence first.

[uponit7771]

55. From the cops own mouth he responded to the gun ... which is even worse. The cop also isn't

... refuting what the young lady in the video said he's just saying either.

[Vattel]

56. we will see

early reports from the Michael Brown shooting suggested that he was murdered, but once all the evidence was collected, that evidence supported the conclusion that it was a case of self-defense.

[barbtries]

62. i'm so pissed.

one quick change police can make is to treat the shooter as a suspect from the start instead of coddling him and huddling up in a closed room figuring out how the cover up will play out. after watching and listening to the video, i believe the man who murdered Philando was likely on drugs or suffering from mental illness. Anyway i am pretty sure he is the same guy heard screaming "FUCK!" at the top of his voice repeatedly.

travesty. at some point there must be justice!