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RandySF

(58,840 posts)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 10:35 PM Jul 2016

TPM: The Case of Mark Hughes, Or Don't Carry at a Protest

As I remarked at the time, my main surprise is that they found a black guy to participate in this experiment. In any case, the racial disparity is obvious. But this is a case where I don't think the racial disparity is the main story. Hughes may have been totally within his legal rights. But his actions were really only barely less stupid than the jackasses who terrorize folks at the local Bennigans or Home Depot by 'legally' walking into a public establishment with an AR-15.

Why do you bring a rifle to a peaceful protest? I get it. You do it as a message of self-assertion and power in the face of dehumanization and powerless. It's still stupid; it's not the right or a safe way to send that message. And much than Hughes, who again was doing something that lots and lots of people are doing these days, this is a good illustration of why these laws are stupid, why the whole idea making society more 'safe' by arming everyone to the teeth is idiotic.

Of course the cops wanted to talk to Hughes. He was at the protest carrying a rifle when a bunch of police officers were gunned down by someone with a rifle. They'd be crazy not to want to talk to him. A witness allegedly reported - wrongly - that she saw him firing or participating in the attack in some way. But that's exactly the kind of misunderstanding that you'd expect in a chaotic situation when someone's shooting people and you see someone carrying the kind of gun doing the shooting.

Civilians openly carrying weapons in civilian spaces is a signal of inherent menace. People talk about the Old West. But the actual Old West had pretty intense regulation of firearms. You weren't allowed to bring them into town or in many cases had to turn them in when you went into the town proper. Ownership of firearms was widespread. But people weren't required to think stupid things about firearms, as people seem to be today. As someone, I can't remember who, said about the Dallas protests, the protests themselves were a good exemplar of a democratic society: civilians peaceably assembling to protest police abuses under the protection of the police themselves. Unlike the imbecile Lt. Gov. of Texas claims, there's nothing remotely contradictory about this. Indeed, it's the essence of democratic society. Introducing civilian firearms into that mix - especially openly brandished for dramatic effect - is simply not compatible with that picture. At a minimum it makes possible potential tragic confusion.

When I heard the Hughes story I felt thankful Hughes hadn't lost his life amidst the chaos and confusion two nights ago. But it was still stupid and irresponsible to be carrying at the protest. More importantly, it's an example of why expansive open carry laws are stupid, illiberal and dangerous. It's not Hughes fault those laws are on the books.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-case-of-mark-hughes

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TPM: The Case of Mark Hughes, Or Don't Carry at a Protest (Original Post) RandySF Jul 2016 OP
He surrendered his weapon when the shooting started, I hate this stupid Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #1
What did they intend? LisaL Jul 2016 #3
It would Danascot Jul 2016 #11
Don't militia/2ndA groups have public events just to prove they can carry? Rose Siding Jul 2016 #2
Like this article says. LisaL Jul 2016 #4
Legal rights and good ideas can be mutually exclusive. RandySF Jul 2016 #6
Open carry is stupid, and so are the people who feel the need to do it. liberalmuse Jul 2016 #5
the guy is a gun humping POS Skittles Jul 2016 #7
I agree, Skittles! summerschild Jul 2016 #8
I remember ReTHUGs carrying weapons to Obama rallies malaise Jul 2016 #9
A dumb idea is still a dumb idea. RandySF Jul 2016 #10
But then you have BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #12

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. He surrendered his weapon when the shooting started, I hate this stupid
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 11:31 PM
Jul 2016

Law and I feel sure when they passed this law those voting for this never intended for a black man to carry one in open. I do commend this man and his brother locating the police to turn over his gun, much more sensible than Wayne LaPierre would recommend.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
2. Don't militia/2ndA groups have public events just to prove they can carry?
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 11:52 PM
Jul 2016

I don't want ANYONE to carry, but if one group can...

This instance was an exception because of the snipers, so it made him tons safer to turn that particular death machine over to cops asap.

RandySF

(58,840 posts)
6. Legal rights and good ideas can be mutually exclusive.
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 01:53 AM
Jul 2016

Mr. Hughes had the same legal right to carry his AR-15 to the march as M(s)r. Militia has to carry his/her AR-15 into the local Walmart. But is either action a good idea? I personally do not think so.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
5. Open carry is stupid, and so are the people who feel the need to do it.
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 12:53 AM
Jul 2016

It's like legal dick swinging. Most people, even in a society that legalizes open carry, don't, because they it really isn't necessary in most non-war zones.

summerschild

(725 posts)
8. I agree, Skittles!
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 12:11 PM
Jul 2016

I heard him in two different interviews explain that he was exercising his second amendment rights.

What he was doing was exercising his right to be stupid.

BumRushDaShow

(129,025 posts)
12. But then you have
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jul 2016
this and this (neither at a "protest" and neither carrying a traditional "lethal" fire arm). Yet both gunned down by trigger-happy LEO for something that "looked like a gun after a report from a bystander".

I.e., "White man with a 'gun' = 'protecting himself'". "Black man with a 'gun' = 'menace II society'".

The list keeps growing longer and longer.
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