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marmar

(77,081 posts)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:05 AM Jun 2012

Vatican: Nuns must promote medieval doctr...., err, church teachings


VATICAN CITY (AP) — The Vatican insisted after a high level meeting Tuesday that American nuns must faithfully promote age-old church teachings, after the women were accused by Rome of flouting core doctrine and taking an overly liberal "feminist" bent.

Sister Pat Farrell and Sister Janet Mock, respectively president and executive director of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) met with the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal William Levada and the American bishop tasked by the Vatican to overhaul the group which represents about 80 percent of American sisters.

Farrell and Mock came to Rome to present their concerns about the Vatican's April decision to reform the LCWR from the ground up. Levada's office had determined that the LCWR had strayed too far from church doctrine and was imposing certain "radical feminist themes" that were incompatible with Catholicism. ...............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.chron.com/news/article/Vatican-says-US-nuns-must-promote-church-teachings-3627245.php



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Vatican: Nuns must promote medieval doctr...., err, church teachings (Original Post) marmar Jun 2012 OP
and they wonder why Dyedinthewoolliberal Jun 2012 #1
Q. from whose "ground up"? patrice Jun 2012 #2
haha What Logic jpbollma Jun 2012 #3
not sure I understand your reply. are you sure you understand mine? The Bishops = patrice Jun 2012 #13
My apologies, jpbollma Jun 2012 #18
Agree! - more than you know. patrice Jun 2012 #19
Medieval! You nailed it! Bake Jun 2012 #4
The Church died with Pope John XXIII. AngryOldDem Jun 2012 #6
We can only hope ... Bake Jun 2012 #7
No kidding. AngryOldDem Jun 2012 #8
Vatican II was an attempt -- even a bold attempt -- to join the modern world. Bake Jun 2012 #10
I always thought that the Inquisition would have been the last nail in that coffin. TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #20
The Pope is going to get medieval on their hineys. yellowcanine Jun 2012 #9
Right now they're stuck in vain and whiny! Bake Jun 2012 #11
...and the Church's march toward total irrelevance continues. AngryOldDem Jun 2012 #5
And that's true of the Christian church in general, as well. Bake Jun 2012 #12
This pope might go down as one of the worst in "modern" times, and that is saying something. Arugula Latte Jun 2012 #14
I'm shocked to learn that the RC church is a hierarchical organization with defined doctrines jberryhill Jun 2012 #15
Exactly! Why willingly choose to belong to this organization? queenjane Jun 2012 #16
"Man Kicked Off DU For Advocating Election Of Romney" jberryhill Jun 2012 #17
LOLZ TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #21

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,577 posts)
1. and they wonder why
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:09 AM
Jun 2012

people like me, raised in the church, are not interested in returning. Until the leadership enters the 21st Century I'm not returning..........

jpbollma

(552 posts)
3. haha What Logic
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:17 AM
Jun 2012

The Nuns are probably one of the few parts of the Church that the people still have respect and empathy for...so let's drag them down the abortion/gay hating road to oblivion with us!--Catholic Bishops

patrice

(47,992 posts)
13. not sure I understand your reply. are you sure you understand mine? The Bishops =
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:59 AM
Jun 2012
http://www.tfp.org/ & that's the "ground" they will start from in THEIR "reform", what the women are, as distinct from the cannonical hierarchy is not worth anything to them. Do we agree?

Bake

(21,977 posts)
4. Medieval! You nailed it!
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:20 AM
Jun 2012

Despite Vatican II, the RCC is still stuck in the 12th Century.

Of course, if the Church and the Rethuglicans have their way, we'll go back to the 12th Century, complete with lords and ladies, vassals and serfs.

Bake

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
6. The Church died with Pope John XXIII.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:29 AM
Jun 2012

I knew when Ratzinger became Pope that Vatican II would be rolled back into nonexistence. First it was tampering with the Mass until it is now unrecognizable. Now, the changes are even more insidious and damaging.

The Church is committing slow suicide.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
10. Vatican II was an attempt -- even a bold attempt -- to join the modern world.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:42 AM
Jun 2012

With Hitler-Youth-Ratzinger, Vatican II has been relegated to the dustbin of history. And that is a shame, because it will mean the death, albeit slow, of the Church. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing I leave to others to decide.

You can't fight City Hall, they say, and you can't fight history. Progress, sooner or later, will happen. The Church can embrace it or be crushed to dust by it.

Bake

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
20. I always thought that the Inquisition would have been the last nail in that coffin.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 02:15 PM
Jun 2012

I'd go way before that but mileage varies.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
9. The Pope is going to get medieval on their hineys.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:37 AM
Jun 2012

"So dont be vain and don't be whiny, or else my brother I may have to get medieval on your hiney!" Weird Al Yankovic in Amish Paradise.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
5. ...and the Church's march toward total irrelevance continues.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:24 AM
Jun 2012

I don't think it's hyperbole to say that nuns are actually doing the work on Earth that Christ commanded, and that they are closer to actually living the Gospels and the true tenets of the Catholic Church than any fat-assed, ermine-clad bureaucrat currently vegitating at the Vatican.

The nuns just need to split from the Church. A schism, if you will. This is nothing more than an increasingly irrelevant Church throwing around its increasingly irrelevant weight to put these "uppity women" in their place. Forget the bullshit about upholding Church teachings -- I don't think these men would know authentic Church teaching if it smacked them in the face.

And they wonder why people are leaving in droves, and why they're finding it harder to find an audience. Pretty soon all that will be left of the Church will be the aforesaid fat-assed, ermine-clad bureaucrats -- defiinitely not what Christ intended. Meanwhile, there is a lot of work to be done in terms of feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, and working toward social justice, so let the nuns continue their work free from Vatican meddling.

I have known many women religious in my life, as well as many priests. I'll take the religious any day of the week.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
12. And that's true of the Christian church in general, as well.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:46 AM
Jun 2012

The women get it. The men simply want to preserve their power.

The women just need to slap some sense into the men, one way or another. And I'm a man--who has had sense slapped into him on more than one occasion.

Bake

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
14. This pope might go down as one of the worst in "modern" times, and that is saying something.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:01 PM
Jun 2012

Although, for the Vatican, "modern times" don't really exist.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
15. I'm shocked to learn that the RC church is a hierarchical organization with defined doctrines
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:22 PM
Jun 2012

I can't for the life of me figure out how it is some kind of sudden discovery that a religious organization with a defined set of beliefs and rules might actually enforce them.

queenjane

(296 posts)
16. Exactly! Why willingly choose to belong to this organization?
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:39 PM
Jun 2012

I've a friend who's Catholic, who hates everything the church teaches & stands for, yet refuses to leave because, and I quote, "it's MY church". No honey, it isn't now and never was "your" church, because you are female, you're liberal, you're a sentient being who thinks for herself. And as long as your money's in the plate and your ass is in the pew, you're aiding and abetting everything you claim to despise.

Seriously, why continue to beat your head against the 12th-century wall???

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