General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDallas shooter used military skills for murder
By Sue Ambrose, Holly K. Hacker and Steve Thompson
Published: 08 July 2016 10:32 PM
Updated: 09 July 2016 10:45 AM
... officials said Friday that a search of his home in Mesquite had turned up "bomb-making materials, ballistic vests, rifles, ammunition and a personal journal of combat tactics." They said he was described as a loner.
Johnson told police he had been training for the deadly ambush; one neighboring family said Friday that he had been performing what looked like military training exercises in his yard ...
One family friend said Johnson had changed when he returned from overseas.
"He was withdrawn, didn't want to talk to people anymore, didn't believe in God anymore," said Myrtle Booker, 62, who knew his mother through church.His interest in guns had grown, she said ...
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20160708-ousted-from-army-dallas-shooter-used-military-skills-for-murder.ece
onehandle
(51,122 posts)They must have insurance and their names, every gun, clip, and bullet available in a public database.
Well regulate them.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)As far as we know. He was not a prohibited person and was very capable with his weapons. Would what you have called for make any difference?
Rex
(65,616 posts)Kinda common sense.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)I understand, you have no retort to my answer.
JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)another crappy (non) Ban is worse than meaningless. It is a signal that portions of the Democratic Party WILL pursue ANY kind of legislation to ban and restrict, and those pro-2A groups you love to hate WILL double down to defeat those Democrats and carve out even more chunks of the country so the Grand Old Potty can redistrict itself into "permanent power." Worse, your approach will further discredit the notion that government can work fot the benefit of all by passing credible legislation which deals with widespread problems and societal breakdowns.
Your approach seems like gratuitous taunting at best, and destructive to generations of progressive/liberal thought at worst.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Just do nothing, the rest of us will figure out a solution.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Most controllers do not like them, or refuse to even acknowledge them because they don't deal with the central component of gun-control: Pohibitions of firearms.
Rex
(65,616 posts)IMO.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Functionally the same as the murderers weapon, by definition not an assault weapon. Reloaded very quickly with stripper clips.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Clearly he had an assault weapon.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)If he had a semi-automatic SKS with removable magazines and certain cosmetic features it may have been classified as an assault weapon. IIf you have an SKS that has a 10 round fixed magazines can be quickly reloaded with stripper clips, it is by definition NOT an assault weapon. Functionally the same rifle. An assault rifle is not only semi-automatic but select fire, full auto or burst fire capable and not manufactured for civilian purchase since 1986. An assault rifle is super expensive and requires additional background checks and additional taxes but can be owned by civilians, they are not used in crimes.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Sorry for your fail.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)You accused me of not knowing the difference of assault weapon and assault rifle. Tell me what was incorrect in my post please.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Was not covered by the 94 AWB.
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)It might have been modifed where it would meet the definition.
For example, the standard SKS is not illegal to own in the assault weapon hating state of California.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Current theory is he modified the thing into an assault weapon. How do we stop that? Me personally, I think we were fucked the day firearms started using interchangeable parts.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,324 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)Assault weapon is a term used in the United States to define some types of firearms.[1] The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions, but usually includes semi-automatic firearms with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, and sometimes other features such as a flash suppressor or barrel shroud.[1][2
Marengo
(3,477 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)An important distinction.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)The rounds being pushed by thumb pressure down into the fixed magazine after the bottom of the clip is fitted into a slot in the bolt carrier.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Figures.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)That make something an assault weapon?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)With a fixed magazine that was standard with the weapon is not an assault weapon. It is quickly reloaded using stripper clips and functions identically as the rigles that would be classified as an assault weapon.
Rex
(65,616 posts)It was an assault weapon.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Used removable magazines, not stripper clips.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Thanks for the information.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Removable or fixed magazine.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Fully legal even in California that has had an assault weapons ban for decades
Rex
(65,616 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)But the SKS type of rifle is also available with a fixed magazine that makes it NOT an assault weapon. Functionally they are identical, both semi-automatic rifles.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)You said he used quick clips then you said he used a magazine. He used a modified assault weapon.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I never sad he used clips. As we really do not know as the weapon has not been produced.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)The SKS is an assault weapon, technical accuracy is crucial.
Rex
(65,616 posts)So it was a modified assault weapon.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)The original SKS used a fixed magazine and was reloaded via stripper clips. There are many variants of the SKS model by several manufacturers.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Figures.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)There are different models of the SKS type of rifle, both fixed and removable magazines.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)Magazines, but the base model has a fixed internal magazine. There are a variety of after market magazines designed to replace the factory fixed with larger capacity, but there have been considerable reliability issues.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I know it is an old weapon.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)The design is old indeed.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)So now you admit to just making stuff up? Okay.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)he used aan SKS type rifle that had a removable magazine and certain other features it could have been an assault weapon. IF that weapon he was using had the fixed magazine, it would not have been an assault weapon.both weapons function identically. Of course we really do not know the type or model he used.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Facts usually change in the type of weapon. The Navy yard shooting was not done by an AR-15 as first reported. The Orlando murders were not by an AR-15 as first reported. Hell, I still have not found out the caliber of that rifle that was used in Orlando.
Rex
(65,616 posts)It takes all of 10 seconds on google to find the correct weapon used.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)It was not and the weapon type identified comes in a variety of calibers. Do tell me which caliber if is do easy.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)With s removable magazine and certain other features. Have a fixed magazine and it is not an assault weapon.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Thanks for saying so in another reply.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Certain other features it could be classified as an assault weapon. That is true. I also stated the same rifle with a fixed magazine that I'd quickly reloaded via stripper clips is not an assault weapon. Again a true statement.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Thanks.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)If the SKS model he used had removable magazines and other features it would be an assault weapon. I have also stated the exact same rifle with a fixed magazine loaded with stripper clips would NOT be an assault weapon. I have never said it was an assault rifle.thst was you bringing that term into the thread.
Rex
(65,616 posts)You again admit he has an assault weapon.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)But thanks for trying
Rex
(65,616 posts)I like that you contradict yourself and didn't notice.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Edits are available for all to see
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)It does APPEAR from what we know know he used a rifle that has been identified as an SKS type rifle that used removable magazines and was not reloaded using stripper clips.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)The bayonet is removable and many states do not allow it to be mounted.
JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)Gun.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)name not needed
(11,660 posts)You can never be too safe.
Rex
(65,616 posts)nt
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Confiscation to get rid of the.millions in private hands that have done nothing wrong. Go for it.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Your answers fail you.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)That will stop the next person bent on murder like this asshole.
YOU did say civilians should not own them, moving the goalposts?
Rex
(65,616 posts)Then again, that is on you not me.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I have posted many times my ideas. I know you have seen them
Rex
(65,616 posts)Thanks for agreeing.
TexasProgresive
(12,159 posts)He spent a large part of his career counseling Vietnam vets. He was amazed that they never completely snapped and did something like Johnson. They were so filled with anger at the government that sent them half way around the world to kill or be killed for no real good reason. I know many Nam vets don't feel that way, but maybe finding pride in what they did has let them cope with the horror. And we do tend to remember the good things of long ago better than the bad things. That's why some of us oldsters hanker for the "good ole days."
sarisataka
(18,821 posts)About all those folks who have military skills from their time in the military?
Rex
(65,616 posts)As opposed to just sitting around talking about it.
JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Lonusca
(202 posts)or overall murders?
If we are going to expend a huge amount of political capital, shouldn't we go after the one that that is more destructive?
Rex
(65,616 posts)No more sales of firearms of any type.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Just responding to your post
Rex
(65,616 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Lonusca
(202 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)I suspect handguns are used in more mass shooting .
Naruto Uzimaki
(24 posts)everyone stopped listening to after the second time you repeated your post.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Wrong. Everyone is still listening.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)So fail again?
sarisataka
(18,821 posts)As others point out, what constitutes an assault weapon? An unmodified SKS did not fall under the '94 AWB but a one modified to have a removable magazine would.
Or do we paraphrase Justice Stewart- 'I cannot define an assault weapon but I know one when I see one'
Rex
(65,616 posts)Ban assault weapons that can be modified.
sarisataka
(18,821 posts)An unmodified SKS was not an assault weapon.
Banning 'modified' guns is a different can of worms. Is my .223 bolt action rifle 'modified' because I put a scope on it?
To come up with an effective assault weapon law will require technical knowledge and precise terminology. Exactly the things many gun control advocates pride themselves on being ignorant.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Not like they are needed for hunting or home protection.
sarisataka
(18,821 posts)That will require knowledge of firearms...
Rex
(65,616 posts)sarisataka
(18,821 posts)Of devil's advocate I pose the question-
Why should any of the tiny penis, gun humping, ammosexual, potential terrorist, racist cowards offer to help? It is their knowledge of firearms that has caused these epithets to be labeled on them?
Rex
(65,616 posts)So they get called all kinds of names. Haven't you noticed? IF firearms were not used to kill thousands of people each year - there would probably less insults toward these maniacs that like to kill thousands of people a year with firearms.
I don't expect any help from gun hoarders, they have severe mental issues imo that require professional help.
sarisataka
(18,821 posts)The notion that these terms have only been directed towards those who massacred innocent people. They have been broadly applied.
I am no mental health expert but I do believe hoarding is a sign of mental illness. Yet there are collectors of many things including firearms so I do not believe owning many versions of something is an immediate sign of mental illness.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I always find it interesting when a label is so vehemently opposed by people that it was never applied to. Guilty conscience? I see it about a lot more then just firearms.
sarisataka
(18,821 posts)I do not consider such terms apply to myself even though I have acquired a professional knowledge of firearms and continue to own more than one.
I am sure you have seen such wide spread insult such as 'gun humping cowards that cannot leave the house without a gun stuffed down their pants.' or 'only an ammosexual needs a gun to go to _____. People who have CCW are not uncommon and it takes no projection to see that these are directed towards them.
I must also point out, such terms were not used to refer to Philandro Castile, even though he chose to become licensed and carried a conceled firearm.
Rex
(65,616 posts)because they relate in some way to the message. I've never once thought of anyone here as a gun humper-ammosexual etc.. Most people imo when they talk of that are talking about the folks that like to go out and murder people with assault weapons and own thousands of firearms and an untold number of bullets.
Hoarding is a mental illness, hoarding firearms makes it doubly dangerous imo.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Right?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Insults. You might try the same sometime.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Seriously? You are a nobody on an website, just like me. How curious you feel that way.
sarisataka
(18,821 posts)But the civil conversation has been good. We may have staunchly different views on the cause of the problem and solutions but by communicating rather than accusing we may find middle ground is not as unreachable as it seems.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Yes I agree 100%. And I am glad we both knows where the other stands on the subject.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Well stated
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Since I owned them. Not sure about my bolt action military weapons have never killed anyone as they have been to war. I have been called those names and worse. Care to update your statement?
Rex
(65,616 posts)Care to retract your statement?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I own firearms and have been called a gun humpers and ammosexual and worse. I have no fear of the government as I have worked for it since 1985.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Interesting. I would have thought nobody here was like that.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Most times they have been correctly hidden after being alerted on.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Then again everyone has different sensitivity levels. I can promise you I personally will never call you those insults. Nor will I call anyone here those names. I see being a Dem and being a gun hoarder as mutually exclusive. Just me though.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Can own firearms, correct. A dem can also have different viewpoints then you also, am I right?
Rex
(65,616 posts)Or not?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)That wants to kill people. Some people collect firearms, mine are about 50% antiques.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Now we just need to figure out how to keep people that want to kill other people with firearms, from doing so.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And that would be all firearms, not just so called assault weapons.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Maybe we can't do anything in a mass consumer nation like America.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And mental health. Not to mention tighten and heavily enforce current laws. But those are just NRA talking points
Rex
(65,616 posts)Can't bring up mental health that seems to be taboo.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)believe in that. Of course you would also see we are dismissed and insulted for saying that. That just might be where I get a little thin skinned when you go around with the gun humper, ammosexual bullshit.
Rex
(65,616 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)"No it is their use of these weapons to massacre innocent people."
Rex
(65,616 posts)Wow, some folks here think the world works only at their say so.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Quickly reloaded with stripper clips would be OK. Nice to know.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Stop moving the goalposts. You need an SKS to kill a deer?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)The hundreds of thousands of SKS type of rifles in civilian hands are used legally for other purposes.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Thanks for reminding me!
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Maybe he want some meat to feed his family.
Does it really matter. Deer are overpopulated here, somebody needs to keep them in check. I would rather some hunters buy permits which helps fund the parks and wildlife department.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I get it.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)It has to do with my 30+ years as a soldier and now a civilian in army air defense. Knowledge is power.
Rex
(65,616 posts)If you say so. I guess someone with the name Duckhunter would never hunt game
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Did have some moose up in Alaska that was quite good. But another guy I knew provided it. Spent enough time in the field in the military. I go to the store for food and stay in hotels when I am on vacation.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Interesting name for a non-hunter.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I never manned the van to monitor and fire on anyone. Actually Patriot and THAAD are used for missile defense and not against aircraft. That is what the Air Force is for.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Turn on the radar and duck!
Igel
(35,374 posts)is just "Army slang for someone in the Air Defense function."
Probably uses "duck" as metaphor for any bogey. The "hunter" part follows.
Gee, that took 5 seconds. With no ill-will or hostility, just thinking, "Maybe there's something I don't know."
Rex
(65,616 posts)That last line, thanks for playing.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)I didnt want to shoot them, but I was forced to. If I missed that damn dog would laugh at me.
That is not what you told be before. Okay if you say so.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)And gosh! There was duckhunter (not a real hunter) to admonish you for being crabby with me! So that was just a cool story...good to know.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Glad to have informed you of that fact
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)DustyJoe
(849 posts)malaise
(269,219 posts)Absofuckinglutely nothing!!!
SuperDutyTX
(79 posts)I doubt his military training had much to do with any of this. His MOS was 12W (Carpenter/Mason); his Army training in pistols/rifles likely didn't consist of much more than what he learned in basic, and any re-qualifications. He also wouldn't have been taught firefighting tactics etc.
Not exactly an Infantryman.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Good enough.