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HomerRamone

(1,112 posts)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 08:36 AM Jun 2012

Don Siegelman is a political prisoner in one of the most backward countries in the world.

I’M ONLY GONNA SHOUT THIS at the top of my lungs so listen above the din. Don Siegelman is a political prisoner in one of the most backward countries in the world. THAT’S RIGHT I SAID IT. He was jailed after threatening the scheme of bastard Jack Abramoff with Indian casinos and whatnot. Governor Siegelman stood up against outright election thievery. He was stymied by election rules; errr he couldn’t contest 18,000 votes that appeared AFTER he had won re-election. ALL THIS after being returned by the good voters. Errr except for those durn Karl Rove’s operatives.

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Representative Bob Riley defeated Siegelman’s November 2002 reelection bid by the narrowest margin in Alabama history: approximately 3,000 votes. The result was controversial, as on the night of the election, Siegelman was initially declared the winner by the Associated Press and all sources. Later, Republican electioneers were employed to betray our greater purpose. A voting machine malfunction in a single county, Baldwin County, was claimed to have produced the votes needed to give Siegelman the election. When the malfunction was corrected, Riley emerged the winner. Democratic Party officials objected, stating that the recount had been performed by local Republican election officials after Democratic observers had left the site of the vote counting, thus rendering verification of the recount results impossible. However, the state’s Attorney General, Republican Bill Pryor, affirmed the recounted vote totals, securing Riley’s election.

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The lack of media coverage of both sides of this story is appalled, alarming even. The fact that Barack Obama hasn’t intervened in this but to buttress the original government prosecution once again proves the corporate machine rules all, and the elites, on both sides of the aisle despise us and all the Siegelman-like qualities we exhibit. Fer example, still thinking we live in the kind of country our forebears handed us. We should be ashamed collectively.

WHAT CONCERNS ME MOST is he was popular enough to be elected Governor twice, although the second was stolen, and therefore ALL THOSE ALABAMANS have been duped or shuttered into submission. Those not convinced by all this nonsense that this is anything but a political assassination have learned to shut their f*cking mouths. Move along. Stay behind the yellow line.

MORE: http://abbysbigcity.com/crimson-alabama-bleeds-yellow-defend-don-siegelman

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Don Siegelman is a political prisoner in one of the most backward countries in the world. (Original Post) HomerRamone Jun 2012 OP
kick and rec think Jun 2012 #1
KICK! Has DOJ been "captured"? patrice Jun 2012 #2
DU Tries Octafish Jun 2012 #3
What could possibly be the justification for the DoJ not to rhett o rick Jun 2012 #4
k&r n/t lordsummerisle Jun 2012 #5
Gov. Don Siegelman, the Roughly $3.6 Billion, ExxonMobil, and Pissing Off BIG OIL. L. Coyote Jun 2012 #6
So, the DOJ went after Siegelman to protect Jack Abramoff? Freddie Stubbs Jun 2012 #7
Jack Abramoff wrote a so-called confessional autobiography JDPriestly Jun 2012 #24
The charges were enough to convince a jury to vote unanimously to convict him Freddie Stubbs Jun 2012 #28
A witness lied. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #39
The charges convinced them? Hissyspit Jun 2012 #41
Yet people STILL have faith in the electoral system........... socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #8
We DO call it that. The questions are about how to create critical mass to overturn corruption. patrice Jun 2012 #15
Eric Holder will get right on it... 99Forever Jun 2012 #9
I honestly thought Holder's first action as AG would be to rectify Siegelman's injustices Canuckistanian Jun 2012 #14
Holder is a spineless wimp. 99Forever Jun 2012 #18
yup--that was the beginning of my realization that Obama librechik Jun 2012 #22
President Obama should pardon Siegelman samsingh Jun 2012 #10
I agree completely..nt Stuart G Jun 2012 #11
A pardon implies Siegelman actually did something wrong. phleshdef Jun 2012 #20
A pardons doesn't imply you did anything wrong. n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2012 #36
Yes. It does. I'd advise you to look up what pardon means. phleshdef Jun 2012 #37
I know what the words 'pardon' and 'imply' mean and I stand by my statement. n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2012 #38
i just want him to be able to get on with his life samsingh Jun 2012 #46
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Jun 2012 #12
There will be no justice The Wizard Jun 2012 #13
K&R Blue Owl Jun 2012 #16
Thank you libodem Jun 2012 #17
k&r . . . .n/t annabanana Jun 2012 #19
Is Siegelman incarcerated right now? roody Jun 2012 #21
Siegelman is to be resentenced. No hearing date yet, apparently. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #25
Meanwhile, Tom Delay is free and could be Dancing With The Stars. What a country. freshwest Jun 2012 #29
Just So You Know...tom delay is not in the system yet & may never be. solarman350 Jun 2012 #44
Thanks for taking the time to email; I suspected as much. There were a few stories in the papers, freshwest Jun 2012 #45
HR I Agree with you except, I believe that Riley via Rove stole Siegelman's win..... midnight Jun 2012 #23
Spam deleted by NRaleighLiberal (MIR Team) Pauline89 Jun 2012 #26
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #27
I think getting justice for Don Siegelman is going to require a movement. I remember him sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #30
Why did Siegelman not get the same treatment as Stevens? FiveGoodMen Jun 2012 #31
Stevens was corrupt as hell. It wouldn't be suprising to find out at some point EFerrari Jun 2012 #32
Good question, yet to be answered. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #33
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2012 #34
K&R! pacalo Jun 2012 #35
Tweeted this OP for more exposure. I wonder if Avaaz or one of the activist sites with a large sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #40
Thank you... midnight Jun 2012 #42
K&R Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2012 #43
K&R woo me with science Jun 2012 #47

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
6. Gov. Don Siegelman, the Roughly $3.6 Billion, ExxonMobil, and Pissing Off BIG OIL.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 09:44 AM
Jun 2012

Gov. Don Siegelman, the Roughly $3.6 Billion, ExxonMobil, and Pissing Off BIG OIL.
Mar-27-08 - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3070446

Can Governor Don Siegelman stay out of jail?
Jan-18-11 - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x222852

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
24. Jack Abramoff wrote a so-called confessional autobiography
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 01:41 PM
Jun 2012

but refuses to tell the truth about the railroading of Siegelman.

This is a huge scandal, and unfortunately, the Obama administration has, out of weakness, allowed itself to be tainted by it.

The truth will come out. The charges were ridiculous.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
39. A witness lied.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:45 PM
Jun 2012

It is perfectly normal to appoint a donor to one of your pet projects to a commission. It is done all the time. That is why so many state attorney generals supported Siegelman. The entire trial was a miscarriage of justice.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
41. The charges convinced them?
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 12:50 AM
Jun 2012
Interesting choice of words.


http://archive.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/061115/witness.shtml

Witnesses in Siegelman trial sentenced to prison
By Bob Johnson

Associated Press Writer

MONTGOMERY — Two key witnesses in the case that led to the conviction of former Gov. Don Siegelman and former HealthSouth CEO Richard Scrushy were sentenced to federal prison terms Tuesday.

Lobbyist and landfill developer Lanny Young was sentenced to two years in prison for bribery-related charges, fined $25,000 and ordered to serve three years of supervised probation after his release from prison.

Former longtime Siegelman aide Nick Bailey was sentenced to 18 months in prison and three years of supervised probation on bribery-related charges, but he was not fined.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Siegelman

The Court did strike down two of the seven charges on which Siegelman was convicted, and it ordered a new sentencing hearing. That means Siegelman's seven-year sentence could be reduced.

Partiality of the jury

Documents indicated that prosecutors interviewed two jurors while the court was reviewing charges of juror misconduct, in violation of the judge's instruction that no contact with jurors should occur without his permission.

- snip -

Alleged Misconduct by Attorney General

In November 2008, new documents revealed alleged misconduct by the Bush-appointed U.S. attorney and other prosecutors in the case. Extensive and unusual contact between the prosecution and the jury were alleged to have occurred.[22]

- snip -

Testimony of the star witness

Witness Nick Bailey, who provided the cornerstone testimony upon which the conviction was based, was subsequently convicted of extortion; upon being given 10 years in prison Bailey cooperated with prosecutors to lighten his own sentence. Although he engaged in over 70 interviews with the prosecution against Siegelman, none of the notes detailing these interviews were shared with the defense. In addition, after the case was tried it was confirmed that the check he testified he saw Scrushy write for Siegelman was actually written days later, when he was not actually present.[20][21]

patrice

(47,992 posts)
15. We DO call it that. The questions are about how to create critical mass to overturn corruption.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:05 AM
Jun 2012

Kansas is run by churches and we matter to ourselves, if not to more radical states.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
9. Eric Holder will get right on it...
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 10:04 AM
Jun 2012

.. right after he finishes busting all of those criminal pot smokers. Really.

Hold your breath and see.

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
14. I honestly thought Holder's first action as AG would be to rectify Siegelman's injustices
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 10:57 AM
Jun 2012

When he didn't, I knew something was up.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
18. Holder is a spineless wimp.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:04 PM
Jun 2012

The best he can do, is go for the low-hanging fruit. He should have been fired 3 years ago.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
22. yup--that was the beginning of my realization that Obama
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:31 PM
Jun 2012

despite some successes in other areas has not even tried to approach the DOJ which urgently needs reform. He has stayed alive with a strategy of only proposing reforms which Repubs have voted for in the past. It must have surprised him when they nakedly refused to even support those!

But the DOJ is too deeply, grotesquely burrowed-in and corrupted by ten years of Bush (and most of Clinton's terms also) not to mention the preceding historic Republican domination. They have had a non-liberal hiring policy for decades! How can Obama change them? Maybe in the next admin, but they will eventually take it over again. It's a lost cause, IMO, and Holder is just a stooge with very little actual power. at least that is what he acts like.

The DOJ is out of control. And that's not good, particularly with the powers they have post 9/11.

samsingh

(17,598 posts)
10. President Obama should pardon Siegelman
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 10:15 AM
Jun 2012

and put an end to the repug farce of prosecuting this poor man.

let's start a grassroots movement on this.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
25. Siegelman is to be resentenced. No hearing date yet, apparently.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 01:48 PM
Jun 2012

A lawyer for Siegelman said the case now goes back to a federal court in Montgomery, Ala., where U.S. District Judge Mark Fuller has ordered a new sentencing hearing for Siegelman. The attorney, Sam Heldman of Washington, declined comment on what length of sentence the defense might request.

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Fuller has yet to set a date for Siegelman's resentencing. The judge previously shaved a year off of Scrushy's term.

. . . .

Originally sentenced by Fuller to more than seven years in prison, Siegelman was freed on bond after serving nine months while appealing the conviction. Former Vice President Al Gore recently allowed his name to be used in a quest to raise money for Siegelman's appeal to the Supreme Court.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-06/D9V6FUDG2.htm

Alabama is one big cesspool. Always was. That's my opinion. I know a lot about Alabama. None of it very good.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
29. Meanwhile, Tom Delay is free and could be Dancing With The Stars. What a country.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 04:15 PM
Jun 2012
Tom DeLay Sentenced To Three Years In Prison With Himself by Jack Stuef

Texas judge Pat Priest sentenced DeLay to three years on a conspiracy charge and also sentenced him to five years in prison for money laundering. Priest, however, allowed DeLay to accept 10 years probation on the money laundering charge, assuming he meets certain conditions set by the court.

DeLay could have received up to life in prison on the money laundering and conspiracy charges...


http://wonkette.com/434783/tom-delay-sentenced-to-three-years-in-prison-with-himself

The story left the media soon after then, with no date for being remanded into custody at that time. He was free to do as he pleased. AFAIK he never served a day. When you seek a picture link of him as he smiled for his mug shot, a click will take you to a series of anti-liberal pages.

His conviction has been scrubbed from his Wikipedia page, if it was ever there in the first place:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_DeLay

And the famous DWTS video:



Note the canned (perhaps) applause to tell all the viewers that this man is just so popular and an all around great guy. It's a standard propaganda technique.

Just imagine people who know nothing about this vicious man, who sent his congressional aides to provide media cover for the coup of 2000, seeing this on youtube and television, like Sarah's adventures in Alaska. See, everyone just loves him! He couldn't have done anything wrong, could he?

M$M.
 

solarman350

(136 posts)
44. Just So You Know...tom delay is not in the system yet & may never be.
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 04:39 AM
Jun 2012

When I emailed the Texas Department of Criminal Justice ("TDCJ&quot , I asked if they had tom delay in one of their prisons. They emailed me back and said they did not. They also said they have no record of him in their system. Maybe someone else can take a crack at it and post the response you get:

http://offender.tdcj.state.tx.us/POSdb2/index.jsp

Looks to me like tom delay escaped "southern justice" altogether....for now.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
45. Thanks for taking the time to email; I suspected as much. There were a few stories in the papers,
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 11:35 AM
Jun 2012

the Austin Statesman was one of the ones that covered it best, but since Scroogle closed down, search results rather suck. Those I talked to online who were gloating, I warned it wasn't a done deal. Too much GOP power in Texas and they do stick together. He also had Dick DeGuerin, I think working with his defense team. Ah, no, most of their crimes go unpunished. Their followers regard the effects of the corruption as proof of righteousness...

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
30. I think getting justice for Don Siegelman is going to require a movement. I remember him
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 04:47 PM
Jun 2012

Last edited Wed Jun 13, 2012, 12:47 AM - Edit history (1)

being one of the few Dems who spoke out about the theft of the 2000 election and I'm sure he was a real threat to the Crime Organization that was running the country at that time. Someone willing to tell the truth. They are always in danger.

This story is such a tragedy. The criminals go free, and an innocent man is persecuted, it truly is shameful.

The DOJ otoh, DID interfere in the case of Republican Sen. Stevens of Alaska who actually was corrupt but it's that his trial was corrupted so it was the right thing to do. However, Siegelman's trial is filled with irregularities, so why did it not get the same treatment?

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
31. Why did Siegelman not get the same treatment as Stevens?
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 07:45 PM
Jun 2012

Because Stevens is a republican.

And IOKIYAR.

Even under THIS admin.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
32. Stevens was corrupt as hell. It wouldn't be suprising to find out at some point
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 07:49 PM
Jun 2012

that he was blackmailing or threatening to blackmail someone in government.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
40. Tweeted this OP for more exposure. I wonder if Avaaz or one of the activist sites with a large
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 12:49 AM
Jun 2012

membership would take on this case. He at least should know that people have not forgotten him. This is a total disgrace to this country and to think that Karl Rove still roams free.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
43. K&R
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 03:28 AM
Jun 2012

I too appreciate the continuation of the Don Siegelman travesty of justice. He's made his case several times on Thom Hartmann.

Watching the Dancing With the Stars video made me even madder. At myself for watching it.

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