Updated. Here's an armed wanted murderer. Did the cops shoot him?

[Kingofalldems]

No. They took him out for fast food.

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[SkeleTim1968]

1. thta was absolutely ludicrous.

what sort of idiot takes a killer out to burger King?

these kind of idiots

[Kingofalldems]

2. Odd isn't it?

[Kingofalldems]

6. The point is he wasn't shot.

[Travis_0004]

10. So ludicrous it sounds made up.

Probably because it was made up. They brought him food, yes. Even prisoners have the right to food. A police station doesn't have a chef, so when questioning somebody for hours on end, sometimes they have to buy them a meal.

[Travis_0004]

3. They didnt take him to burger king

Somebody brought him food.

Even prisoners get to eat. Maybe he agreed to talk if they brought him an item. Maybe it was an abundance of caution so his lawyer could not claim they abused him by withholding food. I dont see why this is such a big issue.

[Kingofalldems]

4. They also didn't kill him.

[SkeleTim1968]

7. They gave him food instead of bullets.

Suddenly an "abundance of caution" is needed with a white boy who murdered people but none is needed for a black man sitting in his car, or selling CDs or playing in a park, or walking down the street, or asking for help. That is a big issue to me.

[Igel]

8. Analogies should be analogous.

Roof and Sterling aren't analogous situations.

They pulled Roof over. A cop went up to the window as others had guns trained on Roof.

He did what he was told while in the car. He got out of the car only when he was told. He didn't struggle, didn't not comply. He had no weapon on him and when he was told to stand with his hands on the car he stood there quietly with his hands on the car. They told him to put his hands behind him and he did so, then they cuffed him quietly. "Meek" might be an adequate word for his demeanor.

The moral of the story might be, "Quietly do what you're told and even if you're a mass murderer and the subject of a multi-state man hunt you won't get hurt." That, of course, is an overstatement. Life isn't that consistent.

Given the way the cops seemed nervous and had multiple guns drawn, I suspect Roof easily could have gotten himself shot. I also suspect he knew he had nothing to gain from resisting--no bravado to be satisfied, no honor, no attitude, and there was no chance he could get away. Surrender or probably die, perhaps just lie there, shot and waiting in pain for the ambulance. Note that the cops mostly holstered their weapons after seeing Roof's demeanor.

I'd also point out that the cops involved seemed rather proud at having nabbed Roof. High fives and all that.

Sterling was not meek. Castile might or might not have complied with officer requests--seconds after the shooting the policeman was adamant that he had given one instruction and the girlfriend said he'd said something different, and it's unlikely given his frame of mind that he'd realized he'd misspoken and had concocted a substitute story. Don't know that anybody's lying, but somebody is clearly incorrect. The "fuck!" that the policeman shouted several times during the video seems to say that some expectation he had was clearly in error. Either that Castile hadn't been fatally shot or that what he was doing wasn't a danger to the cop.

This should not be construed as justifying police actions. But the Sterling/Roof arrests have very little in common from the get-go, not just the final concluding postscipt, and there are no unbiased witnesses for the Castile death.

[Nye Bevan]

9. Individual anecdotes don't really prove anything.

John Muhammed and Lee Malvo (the Beltway Snipers) were taken alive. The white guy who escaped from prison in upstate NY was shot dead. I'm not denying there's a problem but anecdotes prove nothing.