Alton Sterling MURDERED. A video that should disgust the nation.

[liberalnarb]

Last night at midnight in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, a 37 year old father of 5 named Alton Sterling was murdered by two pigs...I mean... Police officers, after they supposedly responded to a call about a man outside of a local convenient store acting suspicious. Sterling frequented this convenient store and sold CDs outside, known by locals as "The CD Man", that's what he was doing the night of July 5th 2016 when he was confronted by the two police officers. It was claimed that the officers were responding to a 911 call about a man matching Sterling's description who had threatened someone with a gun, but store owner Abdullah Muflahi, who witnessed the entire ordeal, said he saw no such thing. "Just five minutes before (the police arrived), he walked into the store getting something to drink, (and we were) calling each other names." Muflahi had said. Muflahi also said that Sterling had begun carrying a weapon (Louisiana is an open carry state) after a friend of his was robbed. In the blur of a few minutes police officers arrived to confront Sterling, as always, the situation escalated (though it is not clear why) and the officers wrestled Sterling to the ground. On top of him, one of the officers yelled "Gun, gun! Hes got a gun." The other officer yelled "I swear to god!" as he drew his weapon and shot sterling six times, point-blank range, in the back and chest. He is dead. This was murder, nothing less. There is no reason to this moment, why that man should be dead. He was a father of five and is described as a "gentle giant" by those who loved him. These officers deserve punishment. Below I am posting the video of the brutal murder of this man. (TRIGGER/GRAPHIC WARNING)

EDIT TO ADD

New video released by Daily Beast (EXTREME GRAPHIC WARNING)
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/06/new-video-shows-alton-sterling-was-not-holding-a-gun-when-baton-rogue-police-killed-him.html

SOURCES
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/alton-sterling-article-1.2700893
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/06/us/baton-rouge-shooting-alton-sterling/

[salin]

1. no words left

this has to end.

[yuiyoshida]

187. ^THIS^

[spanone]

2. K&R...

[citood]

3. Cop should be arrested for murder.

[liberalhistorian]

6. Indeed, this was not a police

"killing". This was murder, plain, simple and brutal. Just like all of the other LEO murders of minorities that are, simply and sadly, too numerous to mention and seemingly relentless. This one is so bad that even people I know who are unshakeably pro-LEO no matter what and no matter how bad their behavior have been on FB today calling it murder and demanding justice. I've tried to explain that this is not in any way an isolated case. that this is an entrenched, institutionalized pattern and I hope they're starting to get it.

[malaise]

207. That's how it works in police states

[Rex]

4. Just call them pigs...real cops don't execute innocent people.

PIGS about to face the court system from the other side of the law. They better pray to be locked up in segregation, former cops don't last very long in prison.

[puffy socks]

53. Do they put former cops in the general population? nt

[puffy socks]

59. That's what I thought.

always special treatment.

[Rex]

83. Um...I mentioned segregation, I guess you missed that part.

[Rex]

111. True, it is just one prey vs predator mentality.

Last cop that I remember reading about killed in prison, was in general population and it was actually for something else - he wouldn't shut up so his cellmate killed him. I don't think being a cop entered into it.

[Bettie]

108. They will possibly be charged...maybe

if the prosecutor is willing.

But, I doubt that they will see a day in prison.

More likely there will be a grand jury for show and they will not be charged based on that.

No faith in the system anymore. Cops are virtually immune these days.

[Rex]

109. I know, I just stay hopeful.

Laws have to reflect where we are as a society.

[Bettie]

112. Don't look too far down this thread

there are several who seem to think what happened was A-OK.

Where we are as a society is pretty far down the rabbit hole.

[Rex]

114. Oh I agree, reading some of the replies here...yikes.

And not just this thread.

[Go Vols]

120. Sounds like a good place to stop

Last edited Wed Jul 6, 2016, 11:35 PM - Edit history (1)

for the nite.Will read tomorrow.

Edit: It gets really stupid down thread.

[Bettie]

151. Victim blaming seems to have replaced baseball

as "America's Pastime".

[puffy socks]

5. This makes me so angry

and Ill wager these cops will walk away scott free like most of the others after their paid vacations.

.

Police have never acknowleged they have any problems and thus are refusing to stop killing , fabricating evidence and charges.
Eventually people will start responding in other cities the way they did or worse than in Utah where they pelted cops with rocks.

[MH1]

8. A tragic side effect of open carry ... 100 times more likely to happen,

if the person carrying happens to be black.

So the guy starts legally carrying, to protect himself from potential robbers.

But as a black man, he is 10 times more likely to be confronted by the police. And once confronted and they see he has a gun, never mind that it's an open carry state and he is doing nothing illegal, as a black man it is 10 times more likely that the cops will shoot first and ask questions later.

It's wrong but it's real.

[live love laugh]

156. Well there was DWB (Driving While Black) and now we have CWB -- Oh then in MN both DWB and CWB

[AtheistCrusader]

158. You don't get a license for open carry.

He was concealed carrying. Which is even more disturbing that they shot him.

I'm white. I've been traffic stopped. I've had the officer correctly guess that I am armed, and none of them have shot me. WA police have a system that immediately shows them that the registered owner of the car has a concealed weapons permit, so they know full well I am armed or likely to be armed before they even approach the vehicle.

But that tends to de-escalate for me. I have seen officers visibly relax when they find out I have a permit. Why? It means I can pass a full FBI and State Patrol background check, both records and fingerprints.

The officers I've encountered when carrying have always been cool, collected, and professional. The officer in that video fully lost his shit. Completely fell apart. WTF.


I have seen, myself, a double-standard in how I am treated, versus black people who are lawfully carrying firearms, and this shit needs to stop.

[RockaFowler]

9. I just saw the other video from the store owner

And I'm sickened to death

When will enough be enough in this country??

Over 500 people have been shot by police this year and we are just at the halfway mark of the year.

What is going on here??

Oh and if there wasn't a video no-one would even know they lied.

Oh and Louisiana is an Open Carry State. I don't understand this at all.

Selling CDs gets you murdered in this country. Selling Cigarettes gets you murdered. Walking in the middle of the street gets you murdered. When does it end??

[liberalnarb]

10. Link to other video?

[jtuck004]

18. For what it's worth...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/06/new-video-shows-alton-sterling-was-not-holding-a-gun-when-baton-rogue-police-killed-him.html

[liberalnarb]

20. Adding it to OP.

Disgusting.

[awoke_in_2003]

126. Why cant people

keep their cameras on the subject? It cuts away at the wrong time.

[AtheistCrusader]

172. Fear, mostly, I imagine.

If a cop starts shooting at someone near me, my camerawork is going to be the last thing on my mind.

[awoke_in_2003]

174. Yeah, probably right. nt

[johnp3907]

14. Where did you see the store owner's video?

I can't find it.

[RockaFowler]

15. I saw it on Daily Beast

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/06/new-video-shows-alton-sterling-was-not-holding-a-gun-when-baton-rogue-police-killed-him.html?via=desktop&source=twitter

It's from the Store Owner

[johnp3907]

16. Thanks.

[tblue37]

31. The last sentence in the article at your link infuriates me:

District Attorney Hillar C. Moore III told reporters, “The officers feel they were completely justified.”

Of course they do. They always "feel they were completely justified.”

[billhicks76]

11. Only White People Allowed Open Carry

Why isn't NRA supporting this victim?

[geardaddy]

13. Boom.

This right here.

[NobodyHere]

19. He was a felon who wasn't allowed to carry a weapon

And threatening people with your gun isn't exactly acting in a responsible manner.

[liberalnarb]

22. Witnesses have said that he never threatened anyone with a gun.

Felon? You are spreading false information and its sickening.

[billhicks76]

25. Cops And Military Post On DU All The Time

Who knows who is who. I certainly don't.

[Travis_0004]

29. I believe he was a felon, so I don't think it is false information.

[Travis_0004]

41. The sherriffs website

Since he was a sex offender, its easy to find his criminal record.

[paleotn]

46. so being a felon makes one automatically worthy of death?

You're kidding, right?

[Travis_0004]

49. No. I'm just stating that the fact that he is a felon is a factual statement.

[paleotn]

50. And my response is....

...so fucking what?

[DesMoinesDem]

65. And your response is... a strawman.

[Lizzie Poppet]

89. How so?

What argument did he misrepresent as someone else's in that response?

[DesMoinesDem]

106. I think it is pretty clear. Go back and read it.

At no time did the person paleotn was responding to say that felons should be killed. They said that they believed they were a felon. paleotn created the argument that felons should be killed. That is the strawman paleotn created.

[Lizzie Poppet]

166. Ah, so you meant the _previous_ response.

Not the one you replied to...okay, got it.

[paleotn]

198. so, are you an apologist for murderers now?

...do you sleep well?

[DesMoinesDem]

204. Are you caple of making a logical argument?

Because you havent made one yet. I pointed out your strawman and you accuse me of being an apologist for murders. LOL. Please provide the exact quote from me that makes you believe I am an apologist for murders. Can you even providea quote from me that even hints at my opinion on this shooting? Based on your response to me I wonder if you can even read.

[AtheistCrusader]

161. A felon in possession of a firearm is a 10 year/$100,000 fine felony on its own.

So kind of relevant.

I don't think the officers needed to shoot him, and I question the truth behind the initial 911 call that led to the stop/search, however.

[paleotn]

188. I still don't care

That may be the case, but that doesn't mean kill first.

[Rex]

191. Obviously it does for some folks, I cringe at the thought they would ever be on a jury.

Cringe.

[paleotn]

201. Isn't that the truth....

.. I guess they think damn near every offense or past error in judgement makes one worthy of instant death. Makes me want to puke.

[AtheistCrusader]

194. They didn't.

Allegedly they interviewed him, attempted to arrest him, used physical coercion, and were resisted, then used the taser, which he allegedly resisted, and THEN one of them says 'hes got a gun' and they shoot him.

So 'kill first' didn't even happen in this egregious instance.

I'm not entirely opposing your position. I don't believe they did the right thing. They might even be criminally liable for their actions. I'm just objecting to it being portrayed as cut-and-dried as you are making it out to be. THIS case is much more complex and unclear.

I suspect there will be store front camera footage available soon, and it MAY back up the position you've chosen. Or it may not.

[paleotn]

199. MAY back up my assertions?

If it's so complex and unclear, then what about your fucking assertions? Your "allegedly" sounds so very similar to the memes about Michael Brown beating the living shit out of Darren Wilson before he was executed. Or Tamir Rice being such a threat to those officer's safety. You know...12 year old's and toy guns.....Scaaaaary! It's interesting how after unwarranted shooting after unwarranted shooting after unwarranted shooting, ad nauseum, some here are still quick to always blame the black guy. Is it that black males scare you or something?

[AtheistCrusader]

205. Why so personal?

Find me a post of me being critical of or blaming the victim for Tamir Rice. I'll wait.

No, I won't wait, because if you go searching for one, you'll never come back. Because there isn't one.

I knew all I needed to know when the police story about the approach didn't match the video footage from the camera on the school. The cops lied. I don't care if they were scared and I don't care if they felt justified in taking action. The simple fact they needed to lie tells me all I need to know. There are no mitigating circumstances. They murdered him.

Don't fucking lay that bullshit at my feet. I talked about THIS instance based on the evidence available to me at the time. That's all. Feel free to read into it if you want but it's not founded in fact, and I'm just going to go ahead and assume its projection.

If you even bothered to read what I wrote, one 'allegedly' was in reference to the police and what they claimed was their *own* action. I said it because it is what they *claimed* not what is visible in the video.

[Rex]

190. The officers didn't need to murder him in cold blood, there I fixed it for you.

[AtheistCrusader]

162. No, but it does mean you are committing a felony simply by touching a firearm.

Simple possession, as a felon, is a whole new felony on top, with a pretty harsh penalty.

Nobody but you seems to have jumped to the conclusion that it made him 'worthy of death' though.

[liberalnarb]

47. Ah, you BELIEVE he was a felon.

Good for you. That doesn't warrant murder.

[Ikonoklast]

181. He was committing another felony by having a gun in his possession.

As a convicted felon and sex offender, just touching a firearm is a felony.

[RockaFowler]

23. He was not the one who threatened people with a gun

:large

[liberalnarb]

48. So sad.

[heaven05]

26. this type of

rationale NEVER fails to show up in shootings like this. Disgusting and it shows all who you're cheering for.

[uponit7771]

136. +1, bunch of sophistry and half ass'd facts to justify murdering another human

[bravenak]

28. How do you know he is a felon?

And why do you assume it was him threatening people with a gun? The witnesses say it was not him. Did you assume based on something in particular? Hmm?

[Dr. Strange]

34. Here's one source:

Sterling was a registered sex offender, after a 2000 conviction for carnal knowledge of a juvenile, records show. The circumstances of the case were not immediately clear. Records say he was released for his offense in October 2004.

He was previously arrested for aggravated battery, criminal damage to property, unauthorized entry and domestic abuse battery, records show. In 2009, he was sentenced to five years in prison for marijuana possession and for carrying an illegal weapon with a controlled dangerous substance.

Family members said he was on probation when he died and would not have been allowed to carry a gun.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/alton-sterling-article-1.2700893

Also from the same source:

An anonymous 911 caller and an officer in the video said Sterling was carrying a gun and threatened someone before he was killed outside the Triple S Food Mart.

So I'm wondering if this is one of those "Call 911 if you see someone with a gun" types.

[bravenak]

36. If the state has open carry

They why is having a gun a crime? They did not know his felony status by looking at him.

[Dr. Strange]

40. If they were told he had a gun by a 911 call, then that may have set the scene.

It's almost like swatting. Call 911 to report someone walking around menacingly with a gun. Watch the police show up to take them out.

If it's an African American, the results can all too easily be fatal.

[gwheezie]

42. Nonsense

The police pulled up on a guy with no gun visible, threw him down and then discovered the gun in his pocket. And killed him. The gun was not in his hand. He was killed because he was black. The gun is irrelevant, his criminal history is irrelevant.

[Kang Colby]

79. This guy was a violent criminal. Let's wait for the facts. n/t

[uponit7771]

129. This is false and the store clerk already said he wasn't the one they called the cops on

[heaven05]

149. sooooo

because he had a gun in his pocket he deserved to be shot 5-6 times? You apologists for the murderers in blue have shown up in EVERY publicized case such as this stating what you stated. I state that he and every one of these publicized execution victims, by murderers acting under the cover of state authority, were human beings first and a person with a right to a speedy and fair trial, not execution.

This type of murder/execution is as plain an action as the words you penned.

Everytime!!!!!!???

[liberalmuse]

87. THIS.

Thank you. This is all we know right now. However, it looks like we have a lot of amateur internet sleuths on the case, so anyone who is waiting for the facts best step aside and let the collective Big White Daddy chide the victim all over the internets for bringing this on himself. Again. Disregard what you think you see on the video and let the armchair experts tell you what you saw instead.

[Kang Colby]

82. Felons can't possess guns. In any event, dude should have just complied. No need to wrestle with

cops.

That's my .02. Hope all is well with you.

[forgotmylogin]

184. If the cops taser you and smash your face on the concrete, make sure not to flail or react.

The first instinct of the brain is to protect the body and get away. Defensive behavior should not be considered aggressive, especially with two cops holding him down. Cuff him and kick anything suspected to be a weapon out of reach. No lives need be lost.

[AtheistCrusader]

195. This is not an unfair point.

At some point there will likely be store camera footage going back to when the police arrived. That footage should show how the initial attempt to arrest him went down. It may be the officers gave him reason to try and protect himself, and that self-defense can hardly be called voluntary. Someone takes you face-first toward the ground, while ordering you to put your hands behind your back, you are not going to comply.

All depends on how the initial attempt to arrest went/how the officers handled themselves, and how he responded.

[uponit7771]

128. Well, his skin was brown... that's all they needed to know

[bravenak]

130. Yep, as usual

[liberalnarb]

51. Neither the gun, nor his criminal record have anything to do with his death.

He did not pull the gun from his pocket. He was not a threat to the police when he was shot. I cant help but think he would still be dead today, if he hadn't had the gun or a criminal record.

[Dr. Strange]

58. Agree on the gun and record part.

Not as sure on the call part. If someone reported this guy to the police, I think an investigation is in order. (Not just of the police, but of whomever called 911.)

[liberalnarb]

60. Well where is s/he? The caller better come forward.

[Dr. Strange]

63. I wouldn't hold my breath.

If this was a set up on the part of the caller, then they aren't going to be speaking up anytime soon.

And if there was no 911 call, and this was just an FUD attempt on the part of the cops, well, let's just say the federal investigators' job will be quite interesting.

[liberalnarb]

61. ...

Quinyetta McMillon, the mother of Sterling’s 15-year-old son Cameron, urged the public not to judge him on that record, saying he had paid his dues.

"He is not what the mass media is making him out to be," she said, adding that reporting of his criminal record was being used to "obscure the image of a man who simply tried to earn a living to take care of his children."

[AtheistCrusader]

167. You can't pay your dues on a domestic violence conviction. Lautenberg Amendment. Forever

disqualified from legally possessing any sort of firearm for any purpose.


Justice needs to be done on why they employed that level of force, and why the police stopped/searched him at all. But regardless, that man had NO BUSINESS touching a firearm. He was actively committing a serious crime while doing so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence_Offender_Gun_Ban

Restoration of the ability to possess a firearm only comes from expungement, or a pardon. Serving your sentence and successfully re-integrating with society does not restore that right.

[AtheistCrusader]

164. A felon and a domestic violence conviction. Double disqualification to have a firearm.

I agree it sounds like the pretext for the stop and search was bullshit though.

[gwheezie]

33. That's really irrelevant even if true

The police had to remove the gun from his pocket after he was dead. The state does not get to execute you in the parking lot even if you are a felon with a gun.

[Go Vols]

123. concise and to the point

+1

[gollygee]

152. +1000

Completely irrelevant.

[Logical]

69. Bullshit, nice try. nt

[uppityperson]

80. When did he threaten anyone? Witnesses say he didn't, and his gun was in his pocket when he was kill

killed.

[uponit7771]

127. sophistry, the cops didn't know this

[Kang Colby]

74. The man was a convicted felon. It was illegal for him to carry a gun.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/alton-sterling-arrest-record-criminal-history-rap-sheet-sex-offender-sex-offense-crime-baton-rouge-louisiana-police-shooting-blane-salamoni-howie-lake-shot-charges-video-youtube-facebook-watch/

[Bettie]

110. Cops can tell this by a glance?

If he wasn't supposed to have a gun, then he should have been charged with unlawful possession of a firearm, not summarily executed by cops.

[Kang Colby]

115. He would have been charged. But he decided to fight

with officers instead.

[Bettie]

116. He didn't fight

he was taken down and executed.

I know....he had that big blinking "F" over his head that can only be seen by cops, right?

Note: "F" stands for "felon" in this case, just to be clear.

[Kang Colby]

117. Watch the video. He fought the two cops. eom

[Go Vols]

125. I have fought them too,

never thought of getting killed due to it.

I ain't a black dude tho.

[jack_krass]

192. If you fight police, you have a good chance of getting killed color not withstanding

Note that Im not judging the victim in this case ( I haven't yet seen the video and wasn't there) just making a general statement.

[uponit7771]

131. Cause they decided to do something when the cops shouldn't have?

[live love laugh]

157. The mother of his 15 year old son was 17 when she was consensually impregnated by him. He was 20.

It's not what it seems. He may have had a criminal background but his murder is not justified because of that.

[AtheistCrusader]

171. Looking at his history, the big blinking red problem is the domestic violence charge/conviction.

We worked really hard to pass that law. It does need to be enforced, and he was actively breaking it.

That said, the officers probably didn't have a clue that he was committing a felony, and their use of force seems disproportionate for what we see in the video.

[Ikonoklast]

147. He was a convicted felon, a sex offender and a prohibited person.

No one is in favor of felons carrying an illegally owned firearm.

[heaven05]

153. sooooo

he deserved to be executed on the spot, right?

[Ikonoklast]

180. Straw Man.

Please show where I said that.

[heaven05]

186. the usual response

I really expected those two words or something similar. Didn't have to "say" it.

[Ikonoklast]

197. Rebut it then. Should be easy for you, use facts and stuff.

Instead, you deflect and ignore.

[heaven05]

203. look I understand now

and understood then(your response) where you are coming from even if you don't, which is not surprising. You have a wonderful day, evening, life. Too many people are willing to just blow off these murders with words like felon, thug, non important human being just because they inhabit skin color deemed dangerous by people without that skin color. Keep minimizing official acts of murder if it makes you feel better as a human being. My last words to you.

[live love laugh]

159. He had a firearm in his pocket according to the cops on the video--how does that justify his murder?

It may be illegal but it shouldn't be lethal.

[Ikonoklast]

179. I didn't say LEO were justified in the shooting in any way.

Read the post I responded to, Open Carry laws do not pertain to felons.

He was committing a felony by having a firearm in his possession.

[Rex]

189. Just as nobody should be in favor of cops murdering someone in cold blood.

No matter who it turns out to be.

[AtheistCrusader]

160. They will say it is because it's illegal for him to so much as touch a gun.

That's a right you lose, as a felon, regardless of whether it's a violent felony or not.
So, the NRA won't be rushing to his defense.

The ACLU might, if for no other reason than the possibly bullshit call in to the police that he was 'threatening people', which precipitated the possibly unwarranted stop and search and then the shooting.

[Ikonoklast]

185. He was illegally carrying a *concealed handgun*. A convicted felon.

That's a felony in itself.

He wasn't Open Carrying at all, why are so many in this thread deliberately mis-stating the facts?

I'm guessing it doesn't support the narrative.

[Loki]

12. Real cops don't exist anymore

They are armed American terrorists who murder at will.

[Nye Bevan]

193. Officer caught on camera buying shoes for homeless man

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/humankind/2015/12/03/officer-caught-camera-buying-homeless-man-shoes/76727994/

Some cops are indeed horrible people. But not all.

[Loki]

196. The good ones are becoming less and less,

and unfortunately, the good ones don't speak up. As someone in the medical field for almost my entire professional career, it was my professional responsibility to report others that I knew were a danger to patients and their safety. If you do that in the police departments of today, you are either relieved of duty, found dead (by suicide) or harassed until you quit. When the good cops start standing up, we will start to see change, and we as the public will demand this with any elected officials and in our police departments.

[Blue_Tires]

17. As others have mentioned, La. is an open carry/no permit state

So a gun is irrelevant no matter how you cut it...

[sheshe2]

21. I can't bring myself to watch.

Kick and Recommend for exposure.

[Uponthegears]

24. I hate to burst anyone's bubble

But this whole "rogue cop" meme is painfully naïve.

People of color are arrested, imprisoned, executed, and murdered because that is exactly what the system is designed to do from the moment we pass laws that allow cops/other people of authority the discretion to choose against whom they enforce the laws, to the laws we pass, to the prosecutors we elect, to the guns they go out and buy, to the courts, to the day they carry us to our grave.

[bravenak]

27. Pretty much

[tblue37]

32. How about "rogue 'justice' system"? nt

[Uponthegears]

57. Not rogue

It is working exactly as intended.

[tblue37]

66. "Rogue" in the sense of going far away from what a civilized society would

count as actual "justice," which is why I put "justice system" inside scare quotes--because it clearly is not justice, and in terms of real justice it is certainly rogue.

[uponit7771]

132. +1, Mother Jones has a science article on this... we're programmed in America to think brown skinned

... people are more of a threat

[heaven05]

154. always have been

and still are programmed this way. Say since Nat Turner, maybe. Or the slave auction. Or chasing the runaway? Or, or sneaking into the slave quarters in the middle of the night....no forget it, that was something entirely different maybe, unless he didn't have to execute a slave fighting for his family and manhood or she for her virtue.

[Angel Martin]

177. obey police instructions or pay the price

"...the system is designed to do from the moment we pass laws that allow cops/other people of authority the discretion to choose against whom they enforce the laws, ..."

this comment must be satire, only two days after Comey made his decision.

[StrictlyRockers]

30. Jesus Christ!

Why did they kill that man???

[Glimmer of Hope]

35. When will this stop! My heart breaks for his five children.

[sufrommich]

37. I just saw it on the news,I feel sick.

Yes that was murder.The State Police have turned it over to the federal government,they know it's murder.

[LostOne4Ever]

38. These assholes need to be convicted for first degree murder!!! nt

[smirkymonkey]

81. We can only hope, but I am not counting on it.

This makes me sick!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

43. Guns are "White Only".

[Travis_0004]

45. I would prefer felons and sex offenders don't carry them.

[liberalnarb]

52. I would prefer nobody carried them.

He was not killed because of his past. They didn't know anything about him, they just wanted an excuse to shoot.

[Travis_0004]

54. I guess they just got lucky this time.

Or maybe they made up his entire record after the shooting. Who knows.

[liberalnarb]

55. GOT LUCKY? What the hell is that supposed to mean??

[dbackjon]

62. Because he was a felon and illegally carrying a gun

There is a large percentage of the population (right-wingers) who will think he deserved it, must have been threatening the cops, etc.

Regardless of the facts, etc. You and I know that is irrelevant to the situation, but others will use that as an excuse to look the other way.

[uponit7771]

135. Again, the cops did NOT know this at the time ... why are people excusing what on its face looks lik

... ANOTHER over reaction of the police!?!?

[dbackjon]

178. Racism

[uppityperson]

85. The cops "got lucky" that the man they shot several times in the back had a prior record? Wtf?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

64. Imagine if everyone who owned one had to be photographed and fingerprinted....

In addition all of their guns had to be registered and they were required to present a license to buy ammo.

[Marengo]

206. I'm sure he would have been the first in line to register his firearm, along with all the other

Prohibited persons.

[one_voice]

68. I would prefer the cops not play...

judge, jury and executioner. Those cops had no idea of this man's record when they put 6 bullets in him and killed him.

So that whole 'he had a record' shit doesn't mean squat here.

[uponit7771]

133. +1, 2nd Amendment is a whites mostly law

[Spitfire of ATJ]

145. It was originally a national security law.

[MFM008]

44. White people tired of murdering white cops.

[Warren DeMontague]

67. Jesus.

Kick and Rec.

[Kang Colby]

70. Oh, FFS. Alton Sterling was a violent criminal, a convicted child molester.

https://www.scribd.com/mobile/document/317643395/AS-Court-Documents?skip_app_promo=true

If you are a felon, illegally carrying a gun, how about complying with law enforcement? Otherwise, yeah, it's certainly within the realm of possibility that you will be killed.

He was also a registered sex offender with a lengthy criminal record that included weapons offenses, confrontations with police officers (including one in which he was accused of wrestling with a police officer, during which a gun fell from his waistband), property crimes, and domestic violence and other batteries (see all of the court records above).

http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/alton-sterling-arrest-record-criminal-history-rap-sheet-sex-offender-sex-offense-crime-baton-rouge-louisiana-police-shooting-blane-salamoni-howie-lake-shot-charges-video-youtube-facebook-watch/

[liberalnarb]

71. The police had no knowledge of his record. They would have killed him anyway.

[Kang Colby]

73. Sure. I've got other things to do than boo hoo about a woman beating, pedophile being sent to

the morgue after deciding to fight with cops.

[kwassa]

76. Then you can leave now. No need to stick around if you are so busy.

Regardless of what his past was, this shooting can't be justified, nor is his past material to what happened in this shooting. It is irrelevant.

[Kang Colby]

77. He decided to wrestle with cops while carrying an illegal gun.

Yeah, the cops should have asked what went wrong in his life and had a therapy session with him.

[kwassa]

84. He decided to wrestle with cops? How do you know?

and how do you know he was carrying an illegal gun? Do you have a secret source of information?

If he were wrestling with cops, he shouldn't be shot multiple times for it.

I think your values need a little work.

[uppityperson]

98. And he was shot in the back. He was obviously fighting and wrestling white laying on his

stomach so they had no choice but to shoot him in his back, then take his gun from his pocket.

[LokiandMala]

175. Please do not take offense.

The video shows that Sterling was on his back, not his stomach, at the time of the shooting.

[uppityperson]

183. The second, closer one, shows he also was on his stomach. I may be wrong, but that's

what I remember and h is he got shot through his back. More will come out, I am sure

[AtheistCrusader]

173. The illegal gun part is prima facie.

He had a domestic violence conviction. Done. No firearms forever, until the conviction is expunged. If it was expunged, we wouldn't know about it, because it wouldn't be on his record anymore.

So no point arguing that angle. He was fully and redundantly disqualified from touching a firearm. For life.

The rest of what you say is of value, however. I question WHY he was searched, and why that level of force was deemed necessary.

[npk]

113. How is it irrelevant

If the man has a violent history it is at least reasonable to assume that he could have become violent with the cops. You can't just cherry pick the details that make your case and ignore the others. It is sad that the man was killed, and he very well could have done nothing wrong, but the cops didn't know that and were likely trying to figure out if the man was the same person who pulled a gun on another person, when this man may have become angry that the police were talking to him.

Either way the incident is sad.

[uppityperson]

86. You don' care about due process if someone has a record? It's ok to shoot someone in the back many t

because? Wtf

[Kang Colby]

90. Oh, I care about due process. He had many, many opportunities at due process.

The guy was a convict several times over. When a person decides to fight a cop, while carrying an illegal gun, it's quite possible that the person might be shot. Why is that so hard to understand?

Perhaps if he had not been at a gas station with an illegal gun, threatening people..then he would be alive? Perhaps if he would have complied he would still be alive.

[uppityperson]

97. Every witness except the cops say he didn't threaten anyone. He hardly fought a cop, was instead sh

shot in the back numerous times. How the fuck can you accuse him on fighting when he was on his stomach with them shooting him in the back?

[Kang Colby]

99. I watched the video. I see a man on the ground refusing to cooperate while carrying an illegal

gun on his person. As luck would have it, the guy had a violent criminal record. Why are some here so quick to side with convicted criminals? I'll let a court decide. But at this point, I deem this a justified shooting in self defense.

This dude had a history of fighting with cops, sex with a juvenile, woman beating, carrying illegal guns, ...and I'm supposed to be upset about this?

[uppityperson]

100. Shooting him multiple times in the back is "self defense"? Bull.

Shooting him because he'd been the legal system, served his sentences and been released is fine with you. We understand. And you are very wrong.

[Kang Colby]

101. They shoot to stop the threat. He was an armed man with a history of violence.

No sympathy here.

[kwassa]

102. I don't care about your sympathy or not. I care about the justice process.

and the facts, as far as we know them.

As of now, there is no proof he had a gun on him. No gun appears in his hand in the video. The cops pulled something out of his pocket after the shooting. The cops refuse to discuss whether or not there was a gun, as of now.

[Kang Colby]

103. Let's wait for the facts.

Had he complied, he would be alive.

[kwassa]

104. You don't know this, either. Pure supposition.

[anigbrowl]

121. Why bother - you didn't

It's OK for you to leap to conclusions about the basis of the shooting, but everyone else should wait for the facts? C'mon.

As for calling him a child molester, that's also BS. He slept with a 14 year old girl when he was 20. Irresponsible, but that's not the same thing as child molestation and you know it.

[Kang Colby]

122. Sex offenders are just irresponsible?

He was also convicted of domestic violence. What would you call that? Misguided?

Sheesh. The guy also had prior gun convictions and had assaulted cops before.

So yeah, I'm not too weepy eyed that the streets of Baton Rouge are a little safer tonight. I know this hurts the narrative that all cops are racist bigoted pigs, but tough crap.

[anigbrowl]

124. Sex offenders are not a monolithic block

There's a huge difference between someone who molests a child and someone who's barely out of his teens and has sex with someone a few years younger. While my teenage days are long gone and not missed I think most of the statutory rape laws in this country are rank bullshit and for you to suggest that he was a child molester was wildly misleading.

I'm not even going to address your other points, which are nothing more than an attempt to shift the goalposts and validate his death at the hands of the cops even though he had served his time and even the state of Louisiana considered his freedom to be an acceptable risk.

[liberalnarb]

142. Take your right wing taking points to free republic.

You sound like a complete monster.

[Act_of_Reparation]

148. I'm not weepy, either.

But shooting someone six times when they're pinned to the fucking ground is murder, regardless of who got killed. A remedial course in ethics might do you some good.

[liberalnarb]

139. He was on the ground not moving.

What the fuck else was he supposed to do??

[heaven05]

155. you are

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one of the reasons I am losing faith in some of my fellow progressives, if you are one. You might be a plant. But nonetheless I havee been reading words such as yours that reflect a total disregard for human life that possess brown skin since Trayvon Martin. People said he was a felon, threat, ect, ect when he wasn't and only had Skittles and a ice tea on his person.

If a white person, felon or not, gun on person or not, is shot while committing a crime or not, the outrage reaches the high heavens with apologists for the victim.
If he has brown skin, words like yours appear quickly and often. Pretty obvious the meaning behind such disregard for human life.

[SCantiGOP]

169. I agree, heaven05

I am very suspicious of anyone who only sees the Second Amendment when they look at a situation, and not the other guarantees that are supposed to protect citizens FROM government force and excess.
I am also very concerned when someone seems to have no sympathy for someone who is brutally murdered in this fashion.

[Silver_Witch]

170. I am loosing hope as well....

We are supposed to be for people and their rights! And yet we have posters here preaching hate and fear!

[uponit7771]

134. So they knew this before shooting him? tia

[liberalnarb]

138. Well, no.nt

[Silver_Witch]

168. Completely meaningless!

Police ARE NOT judge and jury. It is wrong to kill a man in the street BEFORE you know the facts!

[lonestarnot]

72. How much more of this murderous behavior are cops going to get away with without repercussion?

[SCantiGOP]

96. Look at the thread above you

Some people don't seem to be overly concerned about this.

On edit: Post 73 is what I was referencing. Didn't want anyone misunderstanding.

[rockfordfile]

75. They executed him

[uppityperson]

78. That new video? Holy shit. The first one was bad, the second, words fail me. Fuck.

[uponit7771]

144. I'm hip !!! The first one you could just hear the girl scream and cry ... I haven't even watched the

... second one.

whoa

[SCantiGOP]

88. I can't go to the sewer

Has anyone seen FOX's take on this? I hope there's not any victim blaming on something this blatant.

[liberalnarb]

91. Look no further. Theres been lots of victim blaming on DU.

All you have to do is scroll through the replies to this thread.

[SwankyXomb]

182. I had to put them on ignore after the last go-round

I couldn't bring myself to read any more of their talking points

[liberalnarb]

92. See? Heres one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7984179

[SCantiGOP]

93. That sucks

Does that make it anything other than murder?

[liberalnarb]

94. No. n/t

[Kang Colby]

105. It makes it self defense. n/t

[SCantiGOP]

107. Bullshit

Watch the damned video.

[uponit7771]

140. How? tia

[Calculating]

118. Woah...

Possibly one of the worst and most sickening videos of an unnecessary police shooting I've seen. He was ON THE GROUND and NOT A THREAT TO ANYBODY. Doesn't matter if he had a gun or a record. This was cold blooded murder and nothing less.

[uponit7771]

143. +1, he wasn't even they guy they were looking for... store clerk said it wasn't him that the police

... were called on.

and I don't believe for a second TWO of the body cams just "fell off" at the same damn time

[oberliner]

200. Yes, he was

http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/report-homeless-mans-911-call-led-to-alton-sterlings-fatal-shooting

[Doodley]

119. Three things I am sick of...

Cops killing, framing or persecuting innocent people, especially blacks.

People who defend that by saying,"he was bad anyway."

Media outlets that justify murder by cops.

[uponit7771]

141. +1, They have to justify evil otherwise they'd have to report on it

[Bettie]

150. Me too, just one addition to that list

prosecutors refusing to charge killer cops/charging them and then framing the case so as to put the victim on trial.

[Odin2005]

146. That's a cold-blooded execution.

[Silver_Witch]

163. This is murder pure and simple!

The man was on the ground...no weapon and was simply murdered by the police. When will we stop this?? When will we stand? When will it end?

[IronLionZion]

165. Anyone see a gun? How do we know he was holding a gun?

Here's another video http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/alton-sterling-video_us_577d668ae4b0c590f7e7d2a7

[still_one]

176. Not only should the police involved be charged with muder, something is terribly

wrong in the hiring process in police forces throughout the country. From what has been occurring, there are too many police that have major anti-social behavior, and personality flaws who shouldn't be in law enforcement. Things must change