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Cyrano

(15,060 posts)
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:59 PM Jul 2016

Dear Bernie:

I admire you and your programs. I wish you had been the guy to make it to the White House and implement your agenda. But it's become obvious that it's not going to happen.

Right now, with every appearance you make, and with every word you utter, you're hurting Hillary and helping Trump.

I know this is not what you want to do. I know you would lead a revolution if Trump ever made it to the White House.

The thing is that, right now, you're helping him with your very presence in the race.

So let me say this.

You made a valiant run to make the world a better place. It failed (this time around).

Therefore, Bernie, someone will pick up your banner in the future.

But for right now:

It's time to stop talking. It's time to withdraw publicly. It's time to get behind Hillary.

It's over for the moment.

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Dear Bernie: (Original Post) Cyrano Jul 2016 OP
I agree bravenak Jul 2016 #1
Gently said Cyrano. Every time he gets a concession, he wants more. Hekate Jul 2016 #2
Keep up the good work Bernie! demmiblue Jul 2016 #3
It's sad that she will be fine in spite of him, and not with his support lunamagica Jul 2016 #4
She will have his support. demmiblue Jul 2016 #8
"She will have his support" - the question everyone is asking is....WHEN? George II Jul 2016 #15
He's repeating the same issues he's been on since last year csziggy Jul 2016 #55
Hmmm... Fix The Stupid Jul 2016 #5
It's just CYA Stryder Jul 2016 #41
I hear you. RoccoR5955 Jul 2016 #45
I think the FBI's words hurt her, not anything Bernie says. onecaliberal Jul 2016 #6
Some people are afraid of policy. RoccoR5955 Jul 2016 #46
Dear Cyrano: LWolf Jul 2016 #7
Precisely Sherman A1 Jul 2016 #10
Funny Cryptoad Jul 2016 #17
Then "many" are dead wrong. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2016 #21
He helped create the largest organization in the Dem caucus. Rex Jul 2016 #24
ur post has nothing to do with answering my Q,,,,,,, plz Cryptoad Jul 2016 #25
Yes it did. Rex Jul 2016 #26
Leader? More like co-founder of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. Rex Jul 2016 #23
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #27
"Many think" ... Jopin Klobe Jul 2016 #40
Funny Sherman A1 Jul 2016 #56
amen.... nt G_j Jul 2016 #19
Perfect response. arcane1 Jul 2016 #28
Which is why I alerted on this. RoccoR5955 Jul 2016 #48
Most progressives don't want a "revolution." Lord Magus Jul 2016 #29
The wealthy and the well-off and the "connected"... HeartoftheMidwest Jul 2016 #35
And screw anybody who wants to flag this. HeartoftheMidwest Jul 2016 #36
I'm not sure why LWolf Jul 2016 #42
I'm not speaking for anybody. I'm saying what was made clear by the voters. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #44
"If fighting for a progressive agenda hurts Clinton, that says a whole world right there." ... Jopin Klobe Jul 2016 #43
Co-sign X1000000 onecaliberal Jul 2016 #58
Keep fighting! Iggo Jul 2016 #9
I Almost Agree ProfessorGAC Jul 2016 #11
He does not owe it to Hillary to "get behind" her. Cheap_Trick Jul 2016 #12
Bernie owes a Hillary endorsement to the Democratic party, and to his country. nt SunSeeker Jul 2016 #22
Yes he does. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #30
Why must every losing candidate Phil1934 Jul 2016 #13
Because when it comes to presidential elections, there's too much at stake to indulge hurt feelings. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #20
It's called manners. Sportsmanship. Acknowledging when they won and you lost. Laser102 Jul 2016 #38
Sure, if you lose, you acknowledge that the other one won RoccoR5955 Jul 2016 #49
Bernie isn't hurting Clinton or helping Trump. Nt LostOne4Ever Jul 2016 #14
I think that he might actually hold out a bit longer. oem. Jemmons Jul 2016 #16
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2016 #18
I don't see the problem in using what remains of his political leverage in ways he sees fit. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #31
Bernie is having zero impact on hillary'so chances. Chakaconcarne Jul 2016 #32
Doesn't he already have a full time job... 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #33
He's holding on to his delegates so as to make a difference lunatica Jul 2016 #34
+1 PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #57
The Democratic Platform Committee is meeting on Friday and Saturday. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #37
If he doesn't, there'll be no speech by Bernie TO tune into at the convention. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #53
Bernie will be fine, Hillary will be fine. reflection Jul 2016 #39
Thank you for your concern. nt OnyxCollie Jul 2016 #47
You are awesome liberalmuse Jul 2016 #50
I'm not asking this to be combative or anything like that. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #59
As far as I am concerned TNNurse Jul 2016 #51
Bernie doesn't need the Dem party Phil1934 Jul 2016 #52
Those lawsuits are the 2016 equivalent of 08's Birther suits. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #61
K&R. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #54
I see no evidence of Bernie hurting HRC. In fact, I see the opposite. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #60

Hekate

(90,797 posts)
2. Gently said Cyrano. Every time he gets a concession, he wants more.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:09 PM
Jul 2016

He's reminded me of the children's story about the Fisherman's Wife for some time now.

The fisherman caught a talking fish, and let it go. In return the fish granted him wishes -- but the fisherman said thanks but no. The wife, however, sent her husband back again and again, each time with more grandiose demands.

The final lines of the story are:

"She wants the Moon, the Stars, the Sun!"

Fish: "She wants too many things. Now she has none."


demmiblue

(36,886 posts)
8. She will have his support.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:39 PM
Jul 2016

Right now, he is bringing important issues to the forefront.

No need to break out the hankies.

I think some need to relax and have a nice, tall glass of iced tea (perhaps with a sprig of mint).

George II

(67,782 posts)
15. "She will have his support" - the question everyone is asking is....WHEN?
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:21 PM
Jul 2016

Those "important issues" were brought to the forefront months ago. No need to rehash them over and over and over again. He needs to start being what he claims to be, not the fly in the ointment that most see him as.

In the past six weeks or so he's done himself and those around him more harm than good.

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
55. He's repeating the same issues he's been on since last year
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 07:12 PM
Jul 2016

Now he is just repeating the same lines, again and again and again. He got a lot done, drove the Democratic party platform farther left than it would have been. But now the important work to be done is to make sure Trump does not win. What he is doing now does not serve his interests or the interests of the country.

I think Bernie needs to relax and have a nice, tall glass of iced tea (perhaps with a sprig of mint) - back in Vermont or on the campaign trail for Hillary Clinton.

Fix The Stupid

(948 posts)
5. Hmmm...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jul 2016

This scares me.

"Right now, with every appearance you make, and with every word you utter, you're hurting Hillary and helping Trump."

This just seems, I don't know...absurd.

Look at who she is running against...

Should this not be the biggest landslide in presidential election history?

There can be no words that Mr Sanders can say that should hurt Hillary's chances, no?

What's it say when people are worried when your candidate can't even beat DONALD FUCKING TRUMP in a landslide, regardless of petty inter-party politics?

Maybe that is not coming out right....let's try this...

Since I'm north of the border and not 'one of you', are you really actually concerned that Hillary might lose to this guy???

Should we be worried???

I just don't see it... she's running against DONALD FUCKING TRUMP...pathological liar, abuser, etc, etc...

It's going to be a landslide...right??




Stryder

(450 posts)
41. It's just CYA
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jul 2016

If this thing goes South it can't possibly have anything to do with
Hills. It's all those Goddamned "Bernie Bros."
Chant after me: Nader Nader Nader.

onecaliberal

(32,897 posts)
6. I think the FBI's words hurt her, not anything Bernie says.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie is talking about POLICY. What about that scares you so much? The little people might get a little more equality?

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
7. Dear Cyrano:
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jul 2016

While this isn't GD 2016, which I've trashed, I'll respond.

If fighting for a progressive agenda hurts Clinton, that says a whole world right there.

Sanders is not helping Trump. Are you suggesting that the energy, enthusiasm, and determination pushing political revolution hurts Clinton? Is she the enemy of that progressive revolution?

Truly, suggesting that bringing people together to fight for progressive issues somehow hurts Clinton suggests that Clinton will not be a champion for those issues herself. THAT hurts her.

I want Sanders to keep talking. That's why I'm still donating.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
10. Precisely
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jul 2016
If fighting for a progressive agenda hurts Clinton, that says a whole world right there.

Well Said

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
17. Funny
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:43 PM
Jul 2016

Many think he is hurting the Progressive Movement more than helping.... btw when was Bernie declared Leader of the Progressive Movement?

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
21. Then "many" are dead wrong.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jul 2016

He's only hurting the progressive movement among those who don't support progressivism in the first place.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
24. He helped create the largest organization in the Dem caucus.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:57 PM
Jul 2016

People should do some research on the candidates, it would answer their questions.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
23. Leader? More like co-founder of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:55 PM
Jul 2016

Which is the largest organization in the Democratic congressional caucus. Maybe you've heard of them?

Response to Cryptoad (Reply #17)

Jopin Klobe

(779 posts)
40. "Many think" ...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jul 2016

"Some say" ...

... those are typical Fox phrases when they don't want to be specific ...

... kind of like McCain's "Everybody knows" ...

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
56. Funny
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 08:14 PM
Jul 2016

He isn't hurting the progressive movement from what I can see, but rather keeping the fire alive.

As to your btw? It's nice to have a progressive movement, haven't seen one in years........

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
28. Perfect response.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:00 PM
Jul 2016

Funny how nobody can articulate exactly how he's "helping Trump". It just feels like a good smear, I suppose.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
48. Which is why I alerted on this.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jul 2016

According to DU rules this OP should not be here. It is smearing a Democratic candidate. It seems that the folks here do not agree.

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
35. The wealthy and the well-off and the "connected"...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:21 PM
Jul 2016

...don't want any change. I know lots of them.

The rest of us who are f&%^$d DESPERATELY need a revolution...before we go under for good.
What you don't seem to GET is that most of us are struggling to survive.

Bernie would have been the nominee...maybe still could be.....if TPTB hadn't taken it from him.

That's why I'll vote for all the good Dems down ticket this fall...and ONLY THEM.

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
36. And screw anybody who wants to flag this.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:26 PM
Jul 2016

You Hill zealots can dance all over us and say anything you want, then if we respond, we get flagged and banned?

There's only ONE true Progressive going to the Dem convention in Philly...and he has the right to go as far in the process as he wants to. He represents all of us former Dems, and a large chuck of Dems, and alot more Indies than you give credit for.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
42. I'm not sure why
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jul 2016

you consider yourself qualified to speak for "most progressives."

The Democratic Party has a progressive wing, to be sure, but also has a strong contingent of neo-liberals.

If you are here to keep fighting the primary wars, that ship has sailed.

The bottom line? The Democratic Party is nominating someone who, according to the OP, needs Sanders to stop talking about issues and "get behind her." Someone whose election chances are harmed by progressive issues. That's really not good news.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
44. I'm not speaking for anybody. I'm saying what was made clear by the voters.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jul 2016

And could you kindly stop slurring Hillary and everyone who voted for her with the false accusation of being "neo-liberals." If you did that, you'd be more credible in telling others to stop "fighting primary wars."

As for Bernie there is no one telling him to stop talking about progressive issues. He's being told to support the nominee and stop talking about himself.

Jopin Klobe

(779 posts)
43. "If fighting for a progressive agenda hurts Clinton, that says a whole world right there." ...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jul 2016

... there it is ...

... no "Whoops" to it ...

ProfessorGAC

(65,174 posts)
11. I Almost Agree
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jul 2016

Where we part ways is where you think every utterance helps Trump. I don't see how you came to that conclusion.

OK, some of the things he says are not in lockstep with the candidate who beat him in the primaries. I don't get the "therefore it helps Trump" leap.

 

Cheap_Trick

(3,918 posts)
12. He does not owe it to Hillary to "get behind" her.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jul 2016

If speaking the truth hurts Hillary then she deserves it. Bernie's message has been consistent from the beginning over 30 years ago. Hillary's message has been consistent since...yesterday. Depending on the topic.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
30. Yes he does.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:02 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie went into this race promising to support the Democratic primary winner. Even if it wasn't himself.

 

Phil1934

(49 posts)
13. Why must every losing candidate
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:10 PM
Jul 2016

endorse the winner like they are some long lost sibling? It turned my stomach to see McCain endorse GWB after ads in SC said his adopted daughter from Bangladesh was the result of an extramarital affair he had with a black woman. If he had said then to the RNC that GWB lacked the morals to be President rather than "I am haunted by the vision of what will be" we might not be 15 years into an unending war.

SunSeeker

(51,703 posts)
20. Because when it comes to presidential elections, there's too much at stake to indulge hurt feelings.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:52 PM
Jul 2016

And Hillary is not Dubya.

But I agree with you, McCain endorsing Dubya definitely helped Dubya and hurt Gore. Just like Bernie endorsing Hillary will help Hillary and hurt Trump. Bernie's refusal to endorse is helping Trump, which no Democrat should be happy about.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
49. Sure, if you lose, you acknowledge that the other one won
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jul 2016

But you should not feel obliged to go all out and endorse the other one. Bernie said that he would help Clinton get elected, should he lose. He did not say how much he would help her get elected though, and I do not feel that he is obliged to give her as much energy as he did for his own campaign.

31. I don't see the problem in using what remains of his political leverage in ways he sees fit.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:03 PM
Jul 2016

He's already said he's voting for Clinton and that Trump is extremely dangerous. Nothing Sanders says is hurting Clinton's election chances.

His high water mark for political visibility has likely already passed. I'm extremely grateful that there is someone out there willing to use their clout to fight for liberal causes.

Chakaconcarne

(2,462 posts)
32. Bernie is having zero impact on hillary'so chances.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:04 PM
Jul 2016

He's out there to keep her and the party true. I appreciate that. Is hillary concerned about that? He will come around and has said that.

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
33. Doesn't he already have a full time job...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jul 2016

that he could pour his every waking moment into in an effort to advance his ideas?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
34. He's holding on to his delegates so as to make a difference
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jul 2016

on the Democratic platform. I don't see why he shouldn't try to have a say about it. He would be including some of the things I hold very dear which the Democratic Party has simply ignored.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
37. The Democratic Platform Committee is meeting on Friday and Saturday.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:37 PM
Jul 2016

I doubt he'll endorse before then.

Maybe he'll endorse between then and the convention.

But if not and millions of people tune in to the Democratic convention wondering if he's going to endorse there, that's fine too.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
53. If he doesn't, there'll be no speech by Bernie TO tune into at the convention.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 05:33 PM
Jul 2016

The DNC won't give him a speaking spot if it's unclear whether he'll use that spot to attack the party and the nominee.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
39. Bernie will be fine, Hillary will be fine.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 04:46 PM
Jul 2016

Trump will be annihilated come November no matter what Bernie does. I'm glad he's exerting what little influence he has left on the platform. He's earned his political capital and he's going to spend it. When he's done, there will be plenty of time for him to help advance Hillary, and I'm sure he will, absent a severe pivot by Hillary to the right.

It's kind of weird reading DU these days. Half of the posts seem to say Bernie is a washed-up jerk who squandered all of his influence and is now tilting at windmills, and the other half are nervous musings about how Bernie has the singular power to derail team Hillary in the GE.

I just fall back to the first sentence, which of course is only my opinion... I think Hillary is going to clown Trump so hard there will be entire chapters written about it in history books. Her team is really owning the narrative lately due to their fast responses to Trump's incessant screw-ups. I think the real fight will be in 4 more years, when 12 years of Democratic Presidents are in the rear view mirror. Pulling off 4 terms in a row would be a tall order, historically speaking.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
50. You are awesome
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 05:10 PM
Jul 2016

I love Bernie, too. I was so glad to hear that Hillary is going to implement his college tuition program. He's done so much good. But it's time to be valiant and bow out. I learned while being a die-hard Bernie supporter (perhaps not as diehard as some, it seems) that HRC's supporters are seriously good people too.

I am very thankful for what he has done. The Dems needed him. HRC is going to definitely adopt some of his platform. She needs to to get the youth on board. But now we seriously need to focus on ensuring that Trump never even gets close to the office of the Presidency. Some Americans seem to think this is all fucking game (and perhaps in the existential view of things, it is), but this is not some phony "reality" show where you have several episodes and the disaster is soon done and forgotten. This is REAL reality.

I'm old enough to have learned that even baby steps are HUGE steps because it's all too easy to move backwards. I have to say, the Pres. Bill Clinton years were so good that a lot of us could leave jobs and be assured we would find something better in no time. We didn't have to worry about asshats eliminating pensions, telling us "sorry, you don't get a raise this time" while the bigwigs in the company were getting outrageous bonuses. We didn't have to worry about mass layoffs because the CEO and the top of the pyramid stockholders were afraid of losing a couple vacation homes.

I wish more than anything that Bernie would have been our frontrunner. We can't afford to take baby steps at this point in human history where there is so much at stake, but we sure as shit can't go back.

You can look at my post history. There was a time I didn't think I could vote for Hillary, but you can be damned sure I will vote for her and be happy with my choice (this isn't even the "lesser of two evils&quot . She is doing what she feels is right, and most of what she is doing is actually right.

Bernie, we will not stop loving you. But it's time to bow out gracefully.

59. I'm not asking this to be combative or anything like that.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:01 PM
Jul 2016

But what's the difference between him bowing out today and him bowing out during the convention? Perhaps a little unrest from a few troublemakers, but there's always going to be troublemakers, right? Especially with a candidate as polarizing as Clinton.

I don't see the big deal, honestly. The nomination is wrapped up. He's doing good things by influencing the democratic platform. That's being an effective politician in my book.

I'd sincerely love to hear your thoughts.

TNNurse

(6,929 posts)
51. As far as I am concerned
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jul 2016

the most important priority today is keeping Trump out of the White House.


We can work on other issues after the election.

 

Phil1934

(49 posts)
52. Bernie doesn't need the Dem party
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 05:18 PM
Jul 2016

There are no fewer than seven active, official investigations at various levels open on primaries in the states of New York, Arizona, and Kentucky, a half-dozen lawsuits filed in California, New York, Arizona, Illinois, and Massachusetts, and serious irregularities in Nevada, Iowa, and Wyoming. Every one of the incidents in question benefited Hillary. So Bernie could go to the convention questioning the validity of a half dozen states and how the super delegates were bought before the primaries started as he does not need Dem money to run for Senate as an independent.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
61. Those lawsuits are the 2016 equivalent of 08's Birther suits.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 11:31 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie isn't going to engage in that sort of conspiracy theory trash.

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
60. I see no evidence of Bernie hurting HRC. In fact, I see the opposite.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 10:25 PM
Jul 2016

I see Bernie demonstrating that the Democratic party is worth engaging and that the party will welcome liberals like him (and his supporters) by including his agenda items or tweaking existing items to be more aligned with his.

This is really fucking amazing of Bernie. He is providing hope to those who were ready to write of the party (even if they were willing to vote against Trump by voting for HRC).


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