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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDear Bernie:
I admire you and your programs. I wish you had been the guy to make it to the White House and implement your agenda. But it's become obvious that it's not going to happen.
Right now, with every appearance you make, and with every word you utter, you're hurting Hillary and helping Trump.
I know this is not what you want to do. I know you would lead a revolution if Trump ever made it to the White House.
The thing is that, right now, you're helping him with your very presence in the race.
So let me say this.
You made a valiant run to make the world a better place. It failed (this time around).
Therefore, Bernie, someone will pick up your banner in the future.
But for right now:
It's time to stop talking. It's time to withdraw publicly. It's time to get behind Hillary.
It's over for the moment.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Hekate
(90,797 posts)He's reminded me of the children's story about the Fisherman's Wife for some time now.
The fisherman caught a talking fish, and let it go. In return the fish granted him wishes -- but the fisherman said thanks but no. The wife, however, sent her husband back again and again, each time with more grandiose demands.
The final lines of the story are:
"She wants the Moon, the Stars, the Sun!"
Fish: "She wants too many things. Now she has none."
demmiblue
(36,886 posts)Hillary will be fine.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)demmiblue
(36,886 posts)Right now, he is bringing important issues to the forefront.
No need to break out the hankies.
I think some need to relax and have a nice, tall glass of iced tea (perhaps with a sprig of mint).
George II
(67,782 posts)Those "important issues" were brought to the forefront months ago. No need to rehash them over and over and over again. He needs to start being what he claims to be, not the fly in the ointment that most see him as.
In the past six weeks or so he's done himself and those around him more harm than good.
csziggy
(34,137 posts)Now he is just repeating the same lines, again and again and again. He got a lot done, drove the Democratic party platform farther left than it would have been. But now the important work to be done is to make sure Trump does not win. What he is doing now does not serve his interests or the interests of the country.
I think Bernie needs to relax and have a nice, tall glass of iced tea (perhaps with a sprig of mint) - back in Vermont or on the campaign trail for Hillary Clinton.
Fix The Stupid
(948 posts)This scares me.
"Right now, with every appearance you make, and with every word you utter, you're hurting Hillary and helping Trump."
This just seems, I don't know...absurd.
Look at who she is running against...
Should this not be the biggest landslide in presidential election history?
There can be no words that Mr Sanders can say that should hurt Hillary's chances, no?
What's it say when people are worried when your candidate can't even beat DONALD FUCKING TRUMP in a landslide, regardless of petty inter-party politics?
Maybe that is not coming out right....let's try this...
Since I'm north of the border and not 'one of you', are you really actually concerned that Hillary might lose to this guy???
Should we be worried???
I just don't see it... she's running against DONALD FUCKING TRUMP...pathological liar, abuser, etc, etc...
It's going to be a landslide...right??
Stryder
(450 posts)If this thing goes South it can't possibly have anything to do with
Hills. It's all those Goddamned "Bernie Bros."
Chant after me: Nader Nader Nader.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Unfortunately, not many do.
onecaliberal
(32,897 posts)Bernie is talking about POLICY. What about that scares you so much? The little people might get a little more equality?
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)They want to hear simpler things.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)While this isn't GD 2016, which I've trashed, I'll respond.
If fighting for a progressive agenda hurts Clinton, that says a whole world right there.
Sanders is not helping Trump. Are you suggesting that the energy, enthusiasm, and determination pushing political revolution hurts Clinton? Is she the enemy of that progressive revolution?
Truly, suggesting that bringing people together to fight for progressive issues somehow hurts Clinton suggests that Clinton will not be a champion for those issues herself. THAT hurts her.
I want Sanders to keep talking. That's why I'm still donating.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Well Said
Many think he is hurting the Progressive Movement more than helping.... btw when was Bernie declared Leader of the Progressive Movement?
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)He's only hurting the progressive movement among those who don't support progressivism in the first place.
Rex
(65,616 posts)People should do some research on the candidates, it would answer their questions.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Of course you don't like the answer.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Which is the largest organization in the Democratic congressional caucus. Maybe you've heard of them?
Response to Cryptoad (Reply #17)
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Jopin Klobe
(779 posts)"Some say" ...
... those are typical Fox phrases when they don't want to be specific ...
... kind of like McCain's "Everybody knows" ...
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)He isn't hurting the progressive movement from what I can see, but rather keeping the fire alive.
As to your btw? It's nice to have a progressive movement, haven't seen one in years........
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Funny how nobody can articulate exactly how he's "helping Trump". It just feels like a good smear, I suppose.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)According to DU rules this OP should not be here. It is smearing a Democratic candidate. It seems that the folks here do not agree.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)If we did, Bernie would've been the nominee.
HeartoftheMidwest
(309 posts)...don't want any change. I know lots of them.
The rest of us who are f&%^$d DESPERATELY need a revolution...before we go under for good.
What you don't seem to GET is that most of us are struggling to survive.
Bernie would have been the nominee...maybe still could be.....if TPTB hadn't taken it from him.
That's why I'll vote for all the good Dems down ticket this fall...and ONLY THEM.
HeartoftheMidwest
(309 posts)You Hill zealots can dance all over us and say anything you want, then if we respond, we get flagged and banned?
There's only ONE true Progressive going to the Dem convention in Philly...and he has the right to go as far in the process as he wants to. He represents all of us former Dems, and a large chuck of Dems, and alot more Indies than you give credit for.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)you consider yourself qualified to speak for "most progressives."
The Democratic Party has a progressive wing, to be sure, but also has a strong contingent of neo-liberals.
If you are here to keep fighting the primary wars, that ship has sailed.
The bottom line? The Democratic Party is nominating someone who, according to the OP, needs Sanders to stop talking about issues and "get behind her." Someone whose election chances are harmed by progressive issues. That's really not good news.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)And could you kindly stop slurring Hillary and everyone who voted for her with the false accusation of being "neo-liberals." If you did that, you'd be more credible in telling others to stop "fighting primary wars."
As for Bernie there is no one telling him to stop talking about progressive issues. He's being told to support the nominee and stop talking about himself.
Jopin Klobe
(779 posts)... there it is ...
... no "Whoops" to it ...
onecaliberal
(32,897 posts)Iggo
(47,566 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,174 posts)Where we part ways is where you think every utterance helps Trump. I don't see how you came to that conclusion.
OK, some of the things he says are not in lockstep with the candidate who beat him in the primaries. I don't get the "therefore it helps Trump" leap.
Cheap_Trick
(3,918 posts)If speaking the truth hurts Hillary then she deserves it. Bernie's message has been consistent from the beginning over 30 years ago. Hillary's message has been consistent since...yesterday. Depending on the topic.
SunSeeker
(51,703 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Bernie went into this race promising to support the Democratic primary winner. Even if it wasn't himself.
Phil1934
(49 posts)endorse the winner like they are some long lost sibling? It turned my stomach to see McCain endorse GWB after ads in SC said his adopted daughter from Bangladesh was the result of an extramarital affair he had with a black woman. If he had said then to the RNC that GWB lacked the morals to be President rather than "I am haunted by the vision of what will be" we might not be 15 years into an unending war.
SunSeeker
(51,703 posts)And Hillary is not Dubya.
But I agree with you, McCain endorsing Dubya definitely helped Dubya and hurt Gore. Just like Bernie endorsing Hillary will help Hillary and hurt Trump. Bernie's refusal to endorse is helping Trump, which no Democrat should be happy about.
Laser102
(816 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)But you should not feel obliged to go all out and endorse the other one. Bernie said that he would help Clinton get elected, should he lose. He did not say how much he would help her get elected though, and I do not feel that he is obliged to give her as much energy as he did for his own campaign.
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)Jemmons
(711 posts)SunSeeker
(51,703 posts)PoliticalMalcontent
(449 posts)He's already said he's voting for Clinton and that Trump is extremely dangerous. Nothing Sanders says is hurting Clinton's election chances.
His high water mark for political visibility has likely already passed. I'm extremely grateful that there is someone out there willing to use their clout to fight for liberal causes.
Chakaconcarne
(2,462 posts)He's out there to keep her and the party true. I appreciate that. Is hillary concerned about that? He will come around and has said that.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)that he could pour his every waking moment into in an effort to advance his ideas?
lunatica
(53,410 posts)on the Democratic platform. I don't see why he shouldn't try to have a say about it. He would be including some of the things I hold very dear which the Democratic Party has simply ignored.
PoliticalMalcontent
(449 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)I doubt he'll endorse before then.
Maybe he'll endorse between then and the convention.
But if not and millions of people tune in to the Democratic convention wondering if he's going to endorse there, that's fine too.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)The DNC won't give him a speaking spot if it's unclear whether he'll use that spot to attack the party and the nominee.
reflection
(6,286 posts)Trump will be annihilated come November no matter what Bernie does. I'm glad he's exerting what little influence he has left on the platform. He's earned his political capital and he's going to spend it. When he's done, there will be plenty of time for him to help advance Hillary, and I'm sure he will, absent a severe pivot by Hillary to the right.
It's kind of weird reading DU these days. Half of the posts seem to say Bernie is a washed-up jerk who squandered all of his influence and is now tilting at windmills, and the other half are nervous musings about how Bernie has the singular power to derail team Hillary in the GE.
I just fall back to the first sentence, which of course is only my opinion... I think Hillary is going to clown Trump so hard there will be entire chapters written about it in history books. Her team is really owning the narrative lately due to their fast responses to Trump's incessant screw-ups. I think the real fight will be in 4 more years, when 12 years of Democratic Presidents are in the rear view mirror. Pulling off 4 terms in a row would be a tall order, historically speaking.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)I love Bernie, too. I was so glad to hear that Hillary is going to implement his college tuition program. He's done so much good. But it's time to be valiant and bow out. I learned while being a die-hard Bernie supporter (perhaps not as diehard as some, it seems) that HRC's supporters are seriously good people too.
I am very thankful for what he has done. The Dems needed him. HRC is going to definitely adopt some of his platform. She needs to to get the youth on board. But now we seriously need to focus on ensuring that Trump never even gets close to the office of the Presidency. Some Americans seem to think this is all fucking game (and perhaps in the existential view of things, it is), but this is not some phony "reality" show where you have several episodes and the disaster is soon done and forgotten. This is REAL reality.
I'm old enough to have learned that even baby steps are HUGE steps because it's all too easy to move backwards. I have to say, the Pres. Bill Clinton years were so good that a lot of us could leave jobs and be assured we would find something better in no time. We didn't have to worry about asshats eliminating pensions, telling us "sorry, you don't get a raise this time" while the bigwigs in the company were getting outrageous bonuses. We didn't have to worry about mass layoffs because the CEO and the top of the pyramid stockholders were afraid of losing a couple vacation homes.
I wish more than anything that Bernie would have been our frontrunner. We can't afford to take baby steps at this point in human history where there is so much at stake, but we sure as shit can't go back.
You can look at my post history. There was a time I didn't think I could vote for Hillary, but you can be damned sure I will vote for her and be happy with my choice (this isn't even the "lesser of two evils" . She is doing what she feels is right, and most of what she is doing is actually right.
Bernie, we will not stop loving you. But it's time to bow out gracefully.
PoliticalMalcontent
(449 posts)But what's the difference between him bowing out today and him bowing out during the convention? Perhaps a little unrest from a few troublemakers, but there's always going to be troublemakers, right? Especially with a candidate as polarizing as Clinton.
I don't see the big deal, honestly. The nomination is wrapped up. He's doing good things by influencing the democratic platform. That's being an effective politician in my book.
I'd sincerely love to hear your thoughts.
TNNurse
(6,929 posts)the most important priority today is keeping Trump out of the White House.
We can work on other issues after the election.
Phil1934
(49 posts)There are no fewer than seven active, official investigations at various levels open on primaries in the states of New York, Arizona, and Kentucky, a half-dozen lawsuits filed in California, New York, Arizona, Illinois, and Massachusetts, and serious irregularities in Nevada, Iowa, and Wyoming. Every one of the incidents in question benefited Hillary. So Bernie could go to the convention questioning the validity of a half dozen states and how the super delegates were bought before the primaries started as he does not need Dem money to run for Senate as an independent.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Bernie isn't going to engage in that sort of conspiracy theory trash.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)I see Bernie demonstrating that the Democratic party is worth engaging and that the party will welcome liberals like him (and his supporters) by including his agenda items or tweaking existing items to be more aligned with his.
This is really fucking amazing of Bernie. He is providing hope to those who were ready to write of the party (even if they were willing to vote against Trump by voting for HRC).