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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAND here is what a voter told the BBC:
Leave voter on BBC: "I'm shocked & worried. I voted Leave but didn't think my vote would count - I never thought it would actually happen."
Well you've bloody well broken it. Now we all will pay.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)That will take care of the pest problem! (Note that I am not calling anyone a "pest"; merely characterizing the anti-immigrant sentiment that is supposed to be driving part of the "exit" vote.)
malaise
(269,172 posts)Nice to see you
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Wandered back for a mo.....
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Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)The global economy has taken a hit.
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tanyev
(42,618 posts)swhisper1
(851 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)how many times have we voted for stuff, and not gotten it?
spanone
(135,880 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Why vote Leave if that's not what you want? Idiot.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Just like, so many, here in America.
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But, it was in a middle school straw poll.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)But, of course, cheaper pounds are just part of the over-reaction to change.
People don't really much like the uncertainty that comes with change. Uncertainty is a measure of their state of mind, not a measure of how broken the things of value and worth are.
What was broken is really the facility of status quo thinking.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)orwell
(7,775 posts)...the people are rage filled morons?
"I'm shocked & worried. I voted Leave but didn't think my vote would count - I never thought it would actually happen."
And there you have it...
Welcome to "the Revolution."
swhisper1
(851 posts)and there is one growing here too
Igel
(35,359 posts)A majority of voters are convinced they're the cat's meow, fully informed with all the facts and of sound mind and reason.
Most of the rest just act on emotion and at have the wisdom to admit what most of the majority is too self-absorbed to admit.
Just remember, most revolutions are emotionally satisfying and empowering when they happen, but suck for most of the people.
"I want change" can involve restructuring things in a stable way that's good, but even the American Revolution led to
--years of war
--years of depression
--a failed state and constitution
--a new state and constitution with a lot of instability
--a civil war, for some about slavery, for some about states' rights, but ultimately about the strength of the federal government
It was bloody and messy to achieve stability, and that's being upset again. But the French, 1848, Russian, Hitlerian, Maoist revolutions all ended badly and were mostly undone (or should be ... China is basically a fascist state but we're blinded by the label "communist" to notice). The Velvet Revolution might still go wrong, but arguably what's going on there isn't a result of that revolution at all. The Orange Revolution turned bitter, the White Revolution never got off the ground.
Most revolutions suck, but if we don't know history we still go dewy-eyed at the idea of empowerment and our upcoming revolutionary apotheosis. Most revolutionaries suffer Lucifer's fate for all the same reasons.
swhisper1
(851 posts)Bernie has it right, a political revolution from the bottom up and to hell with corruption and runaway capitalism
treestar
(82,383 posts)in the meantime.
swhisper1
(851 posts)lose it all. It is gambling-and the 401K's are not always affected. Only if you sign on to high risk stocks will you be screwed, and that is the price of gambling, or wait 10 yrs for your 401K to recover. Dont blame england, blame the gamblers who are in it for a fast buck
treestar
(82,383 posts)And the "vulture capitalists" would not take it lying down. If you want to get to that nirvana, you have to cross a lot of fire pits.
swhisper1
(851 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)swhisper1
(851 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)swhisper1
(851 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)swhisper1
(851 posts)Renew Deal
(81,873 posts)But Trump managed to win.
IronLionZion
(45,534 posts)I'm sure they were doubtful he would win the nomination. We were always told that the system is rigged by the establishment and our votes don't matter.
Considering how close the Brexit vote was, maybe some discouraged people who didn't vote are probably wishing they had voted.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)That really is the stupidest fucking thing, ever.
japple
(9,841 posts)out the vote for democratic candidates in November--no matter who you supported in the primaries.
malthaussen
(17,216 posts)... about a candidate's parents, who voted for his opponent because "they wanted to be nice." You guessed it, the candidate lost by one vote.
-- Mal
world wide wally
(21,755 posts)a Republican.
When I expressed shock at a teacher voting Republican, she responded by saying, "Don't worry. They never do what they say they will do"
How is that for stupid?
closeupready
(29,503 posts)There was a UK before, there will be a UK after.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)The UK as you know it will cease to exist.
Scotland will soon opt to leave and join the EU as a sovereign nation, and Northern Ireland may well throw off British rule and join its island neighbor.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)everyone has them.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)to join the Irish Republic. Sectarian violence will inevitably reappear if the Nationalist majority is denied their say.
Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP leader, has already announced plans for a second referendum on Scottish independence and EU membership as a sovereign nation. It will happen.
swhisper1
(851 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Northern Ireland is considering a referendum to reunite with the Ireland proper. Both those areas voted to remain with the EU; England and Wales voted leave.
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)Was struck how much the Remains sounded like Romney's GOP in 2012. Oozing confidence that they had it in the bag regardless of how the first returns looked. There is a lesson for us all, don't oversell and work like you're behind until the end.
Clearly that voter thought they could tweak the establishment without any consequences. The Leave supporters kept their eye on the ball, now the UK has to live with it.
Igel
(35,359 posts)Passion is fine in bed, but in the ballot box perhaps not. In bed, the worst you get is a child, and STD, or a rape charge. In the ballot box, you're usually the person who's screwed for life.
Populism is great when you're in favor of what it wants. But populism is usually pandering to the masses and making them vote on wants that only you can provide. Populism leads to demagoguery, necessarily. You can't always have what you want. And not only do you "not always get what you want," in populist times you very seldom get what you want. You just get what you voted for, and that's a very different and very dangerous thing. It pisses people off, then they tune out or go even more extreme.
Democracy is the worst system ever devised except for all the others. It works fine on simple issues. But there's a reason we have representative democracies. In the Brexit election, people intended to vote for very specific outcomes that won't necessarily follow from what they actually voted for. "A vote for me is a vote for prosperity" isn't a vote for prosperity but a vote for a politician. A vote for exiting the EU isn't a vote for greater prosperity or cultural protection or to show how pissed off you are with the "elite,", it's a vote for leaving the EU.
swhisper1
(851 posts)I am amazed at how many "americans" here are so against a nation that wants independence. Isn't that why we came to this continent?
yardwork
(61,711 posts)Laser102
(816 posts)and follow the pack mentality instead of thinking that maybe it's too good to be true. Now these malcontents that led the "revolution" are back tracking on their promises. They have led their country into a burning building with no way out. We will see who this benefits the most. The balanced and measured candidate, or the insane and erratic.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)Britain voting to leave.... While, in my gut, I leaned slightly for them to stay, I have no great opinion one way or the other. They were never fully integrated into the EU as the original founders (France, Germany, Italy, etc.) were. They were still partially separated so it is not as hard if they do leave. I leave it to them and it appears to be a wake-up call for their politicians on the level of discontent in their country with various programs such as Student costs rising and Austerity. Also, a lot of the young people thought they should stay. So, odds are they will get back into it within a generation, if the EU survives as it has many other issues besides Britain to worry about.
The good thing about this has to do with us, the U.S. This should be another wake-up call to Hillary and Democratic politicians to stay more toward the left, as she has moved with Bernie Sanders in the race. There is a real discontent on both sides in this country today which has allowed Bernie to rise and Trump to rise, albeit from opposite positions. With Bernie I had no fears about him being President. However, Trump, to me, is on par with the rise of the Nazi Party and Hitler in Germany in the 30's. Sure, it's not exactly the same, and I am not calling a huckster like Trump a Hitler, but the optics are way too close for comfort.
So, this should further emphasize the real voter discontent in this country and just how careful politicians should be in kowtowing to the the wealthy and corporations at the expense of the rest of the country. I hope Hillary and the Democrats understand this and keep on tacking leftward. The Republicans, including Trump, are already starting to take on some populist messages in an attempt to shield themselves and even steal steal these positions from the Democrats, the party that often does take on these positions and may actually do something about them. Ironic, and foreboding.
Pluvious
(4,319 posts)Thank you for sharing. This should be its own post !
I've always thought the biggest problem for the EU is the dissonance of trying to bind a multiplicity of political entities under a single monetary system. The results of this dysfunctional union are just now beginning to manifest...
swhisper1
(851 posts)they were fleeced by banks and kum-by-ya lies. A few small reforms can put it right tho, with cool heads and regulations, an agreement can be reached
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Though I dont think the Clinton campaign is underestimating the threat, this should strengthen their resolve.
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)swhisper1
(851 posts)FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)mcar
(42,375 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)yardwork
(61,711 posts)liberaltrucker
(9,130 posts)....I was 18-youthful indiscretion.
blm
(113,094 posts).
tblue37
(65,488 posts)swhisper1
(851 posts)pandr32
(11,615 posts)We all get saddled with the consequences for stupidity.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Takket
(21,629 posts)They are so used to seeing us go out of our way to not count votes that they've forgotten their own countries actually do count them.
Takket
(21,629 posts)ABC News said that was the #1 google search in the UK today. I'm seriously wondering if a lot of people voted for this believing this was about stopping Syrians from getting into the country and honestly have no idea that they just committed financial suicide for their entire country.
I wonder if any of you on DU could find any exit polling data. I'm wondering what leavers #1 reason for voting leave was. I can't find any.