General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYet another GMO failure: Golden Rice a badass boondoggle
Science Daily has just served up yet another example of how the massive GMO PR campaigns, and the armies of corporate trolls, have relentlessly created a vast bogus story about the alleged "benefits" of GMOs that over time has proved to be a crock of dangerously wrong BS.
"Heralded on the cover of Time magazine in 2000 as a genetically modified (GMO) crop with the potential to save millions of lives in the Third World, Golden Rice is still years away from field introduction and even then, may fall short of lofty health benefits still cited regularly by GMO advocates, suggests a new study."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160602220711.htm
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Archae
(46,354 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Works fine over here. Are you getting a 404 error, or something different?
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)The OP only has the link to the abstract. (And I can't get to your link, either.)
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10460-016-9696-1
It appears to be just a paper, and not much else.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Maybe that is why I can access the link while no one else can.
You aren't missing much, in any event. The OP took some editorial liberties that are not supported by the source material. Different day, same shit.
womanofthehills
(8,774 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Tell us exactly what it says.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)It's kind of silly to place all the blame for the delay of golden rice on regulatory requirements when you ignore the underlying reasons why those requirements have escalated and why they are so much different than any other plant breeding method. At some point you have to blame the unfounded hysteria on where it's coming from.
Scientific
(314 posts)Let's all rally online and spank the unholy bejabbers out of everyone who has concerns about the food they may have to feed their families !
As a strategy, this is a MasterStroke! Not even the Republican Skunk Works, Inc. could come up with anything more brilliant than this! Blame the Potential Victims! Pure Genius!
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)It could also be related to the scams explored in these pieces.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/should-you-be-eating-clean/
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-clean-eating-delusion/
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)csziggy
(34,138 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)There's nothing in there about golden rice being bad or GMO's being dangerous.
womanofthehills
(8,774 posts)womanofthehills
(8,774 posts)Even if and when the IRRI does come up with a high-yielding golden rice variety that passes regulatory muster, it remains unclear whether it can actually make a dent in vitamin A deficiency. As the Washington University's Stone notes, vitamin A deficiency often affects people whose diets are also deficient in other vital nutrients. Vitamin A is fat soluble, meaning it can't be taken up by the body unless it's accompanied by sufficient dietary fat, which isn't delivered in significant quantities by rice, golden or otherwise.
http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2016/02/golden-rice-still-showing-promise-still-not-field-ready
bemildred
(90,061 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)I like perfumed rice, but broken rice also is good in a weekend Vietnamese breakfast or brunch.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Children in developing countries should not be used as fodder for PR campaigns.
Sharky Kevin O'Leary gets smoked while using the bogus Golden rice talking point at 1:48 here. Enjoy!
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Brillaint! If only someone had just thought of that!
Children of billionaire industry executives probably shouldn't be used as props either.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:17 PM - Edit history (2)
Oh, and using a kid who is doing marketing for her parent's company is just, well, not very progressive.
https://debunkingdenialism.com/2014/12/20/why-rachel-parent-is-wrong-about-genetically-modified-foods/
villager
(26,001 posts)Naturally enough.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Seriously, you are better than this. Or, well, perhaps you've been playing a certain game?
If you're not,
Seriously, do you really believe the crap you post on this topic? If so, then support it with a consensus of science. If not, why would you do that? How does it help anyone?
womanofthehills
(8,774 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)How awesome!
Er, wait.
villager
(26,001 posts)...whose PR departments disseminate talking points... like that one....
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)...indeed.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)That tells all.
You have shot yourself in the foot, over and over again.
villager
(26,001 posts)That tells all.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Ignoring that part of the equation is, quite frankly, despicable.
You wouldn't do it, face to face. And if you would, wow!
And that is rather telling.
villager
(26,001 posts)I am in good company!
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Your actions on an OP that has long been debunked, are rather telling, however.
There is no joking your way out of it.
Lame is lame.
villager
(26,001 posts)Seriously, because once in a blue moon you stop the tirade of vituperative insults that are your stock in trade, to actually discuss something with someone, I haven't put you on ignore yet.
But you seem to be getting worse.
And life is really too short for a diarrhetic stream of insults.
If you don't hear from Despicable Me ever again on DU, that will be way.
But a great time, and read some good books.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Also, it is noted that your obsession is rather selective.
And that is worth, well, this...
progressoid
(49,999 posts)Syngenta may have negotiated licenses with other companies, but unless you are a large farming operation you get it for FREE.
Potrykus has enabled golden rice to be distributed free to subsistence farmers.[47] Free licenses for developing countries were granted quickly due to the positive publicity that golden rice received, particularly in Time magazine in July 2000.[48] Monsanto Company was one of the first companies to grant free licences.[49]
The cutoff between humanitarian and commercial use was set at US$10,000. Therefore, as long as a farmer or subsequent user of golden rice genetics does not make more than $10,000 per year, no royalties need to be paid. In addition, farmers are permitted to keep and replant seed.[50]
womanofthehills
(8,774 posts)progressoid
(49,999 posts)Syngenta (then Zeneca) arranged for intellectual property controlled by Novartis, Bayer, Monsanto, and Japan Tobacco to be licensed free of charge for the sole purpose of the Golden Rice Project. Syngenta, and the inventors entered into contractual arrangements whereby Syngenta licensed back to the inventors the combined package of enabling intellectual property and agreed to support them administratively in their endeavour to make the technology available to resource-poor farmers in developing countries, free of charge. Terms of use include royalty-free local production by farmers who earn less than US$10,000 annually, which applies so to say to 99% of the target farming community. The inventors were also granted the rights to grant sub-licences for the same purpose.
http://www.goldenrice.org/Content3-Why/why3_FAQ.php#Licence
womanofthehills
(8,774 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)womanofthehills
(8,774 posts)dembotoz
(16,844 posts)and i am still waiting for my flying car.....
MattBaggins
(7,905 posts)Seriously
Just do it
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)It's certainly necessary, IMO.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Scientific
(314 posts)As is evidenced so unmistakeably in the lame headbutting attempts to undermine or divert attention from to the realities spelled out in Science Daily.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:13 PM - Edit history (1)
Instead of showing us something real that might support the OP, you choose to ignore the responses, and respond to yourself, almost as if you were another poster completely.
That seems rather strange.
Further, you chose to ignore the fact that the author of the essay in question is an anthropologist, not a geneticist in any way, and that said anthropologist has been editorializing about Golden Rice for some time, and that said anthropologist defends the ugly lies spread by one Vandana Shiva.
http://www.science20.com/news_articles/anthropologist_glenn_stone_again_declares_gmo_golden_rice_more_hat_than_cattle-173958
You keep pushing posts that keep getting completely debunked. It's time for you to think about the why of that.
womanofthehills
(8,774 posts)From the New Yorker - annals of "SCIENCE" - SEEDS OF DOUB
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/25/seeds-of-doubt
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)... thanks for sharing.
Too bad you didn't bother reading the piece before you posted it.
villager
(26,001 posts)But it wouldn't be Orwellian otherwise, would it?
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)When have you ever justified any of your nonsense with actual evidence that can stand the tick of time and the critique of other evidence?
Wake up.
villager
(26,001 posts)Sigh.
The projector is running full bore, ain't it?
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Prove the OP is correct, with a consensus of science and get back to us.
If not, whoops.
Whoops is all you ever do, for some reason, and yet you keep doing it. You seem to want to harm the planet for no good reason. Hmm.
villager
(26,001 posts)Alas, poor HuckleB.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)You don't even know you're confessing.
womanofthehills
(8,774 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Or are you admitting that you're nonsense is nonsense for once?
womanofthehills
(8,774 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)And if you are in league with one of DU's most well known conspiracy theorists, well, you that's very telling for everyone.
I'll remind myself of that, and others, when I get the chance.
villager
(26,001 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Seriously.
Actual harm is done by this nonsense.
villager
(26,001 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Especially when you foolishly "liked" that OP.
villager
(26,001 posts)Who knows what posters lurk in the shadows of DU!
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)When people notice things it means they are "obsessive."
villager
(26,001 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)And the consistent lack of content in your posts is shining, especially since you only bother to respond to posts when others have tired of offering content.
It's time to put up, or shut up.
Let's see your OP that puts GMOs in their place, for once and forever, or at all.
Can you do it?
villager
(26,001 posts)Can you do it?
It's time to put up, or shut up.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Too bad you missed it.
Too bad you have never bothered to justify your stance on this issue.
It's rather bizarre, to be kind.
I'd love to see them.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)You couldn't respond to them either.
It's time for you to show that GMOs are bad with a consensus of science, or realize the "liking" conspiracy theory OPs is only going to make you a marginal individual, in every way.
It's up to you.
villager
(26,001 posts)Because even you have some sense that your PMs asking if I'm drunk might hurt your "scientific credibility" here.
Good-bye, HuckleB.
You really are getting worse, though. Raging at, and insulting everyone who disagrees with you, isn't what is meant by the "discussion" part of "discussion board."
Take care.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:55 AM - Edit history (2)
If you want to play this game, it will take a couple days until I am back online, fully, but you will lose.
Or you can be honest now.
Which is it?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)oh, wait. That was chemtrails. If you spray vinegar at chemtrails, it gets rid of them.
I read that on DU somewhere: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002128567
Probably just a bunch of nonsense from scientific materialists.
Sid
zappaman
(20,606 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Jesus, you anti-GMO folks are ignorant.
BTW, golden rice is open source, not owned by any corporate entity. So the stupid Monsanto argument does not work either.
If golden rice isn't being planted it is because of idiotic anti-GMO "Frankenfood" propaganda.
It fucking prevents childhood blindness.
And... Eat your carrots!
Archae
(46,354 posts)Sell them supplements.
Yup, sell them vitamin pills, even if they can't afford them!
longship
(40,416 posts)Fucking idiots!
My best.
womanofthehills
(8,774 posts)http://gm.org/2014/05/17/field-tests-show-golden-rice-to-have-lower-yields-compared-to-non-gm-rice/
longship
(40,416 posts)There is no science that supports the hypothesis that genetically modified cultivars are in anyway unhealthful. None whatsoever.
I would ask for supporting documentation for your ridiculous claim, but I know it will just be falsified bullshit, like Seralini et al, the go to for all anti-GMO loonies.
So. Bring it on.
PatSeg
(47,613 posts)<Even if genetic modification succeeds in creating a strain of rice productive enough for poor farmers to grow successfully, it's unclear how much impact the rice will have on children's health.
As Stone and Glover point out, it is still unknown if the beta carotene in Golden Rice can even be converted to Vitamin A in the bodies of badly undernourished children. There also has been little research on how well the beta carotene in Golden Rice will hold up when stored for long periods between harvest seasons, or when cooked using traditional methods common in remote rural locations, they argue.
Meanwhile, as the development of Golden Rice creeps along, the Philippines has managed to slash the incidence of Vitamin A deficiency by non-GMO methods, Stone said.>
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160602220711.htm
ryan_cats
(2,061 posts)So, the shower of Golden rice is still in the future? I am sure people will survive on happy thoughts and the better world to come.