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German rescuer from the humanitarian organisation Sea-Watch holds a drowned migrant baby, off the Libyan cost May 27, 2016. Christian Buettner/Eikon Nord GmbH Germany/Handout via REUTERS

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-baby-idUSKCN0YL18P

[ChisolmTrailDem]

1. Where was God?

[japple]

11. God was making sure that no transgender folks showed up

in the wrong bathrooms.

Edit to correct reply title.

[roguevalley]

34. This is the doing of men. God is a convenient way to shift blame. This is OUR crime. God was and

is with the baby. Men didn't even care to look. It may be convenient to blame God but this is our atrocity. All of them are. We CHOOSE this to happen and it does. Period.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

66. So god let this baby die?

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
-- Epicurus

[Enthusiast]

49. Good answer.

God has priorities, ya know.

[ErikJ]

16. U mean where was Allah?

Cuz they arent the same.......... According to Christians and Muslims.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

17. Allah is God. Since I speak English, I used "G... ugh, why am I even bothering?

https://translate.google.com/#auto/ar/God

[ErikJ]

18. Sorry, still not the same.

According to Christians and Muslims. But I'm agnostic.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

22. I'm agnostic too. But not religiously. nt

[ErikJ]

23. sexually?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

24. Ummm... wut? nt

[ErikJ]

26. If not religiously agnostic then ......

sexually?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

28. Not exactly sure what you're getting at. If you must know, at 52 I'm having the heterosexual...

...time of my life with a 47yo woman who has just recently discovered her sexuality after 20 years with a Christian who thought of sex as dirty and only to be engaged in for the purposes of procreation. I even busted her with reading a copy of the Kama Sutra, though she doesn't know it. Lucky me!!!

Anyway, enough of the bragging but I don't consider that sexual agnosticism, no.

[ErikJ]

29. What a damn f fool!

Not you, him.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

31. Yea, I got it pretty good right now :) nt

[ErikJ]

35. Lots of procreation?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

37. Well, that's an impossible result of our...ahem...activities. But sometimes I wonder how it...

...hasn't happened, regardless.

[Enthusiast]

50. According to Muslims Allah is God. The same God in the Christian and Hebrew tradition.

[bvar22]

55. And Jesus Christ is the same Jesus Christ in both Islam and Christianity,

but the Muslims, like the Jews, believe he was just a prophet, not the son of God.

[bvar22]

53. Islam and Christianity are BOTH deritives of the Book of Abraham (The Old Testament).

They ARE the same entity.

[ErikJ]

54. Ask any RW Christian if they are the same god.

Most will say definitely not. Its ridiculous I know.

[Enthusiast]

60. They do not know their ass from a hole in the ground.

A few years ago I heard a right wing evangelist preacher on the radio. He claimed there were two basic religious traditions in the world today. One tradition was Hebrew-Christian and the other was Hindu. He claimed that Islam was part of the Hindu religious tradition. I'm not lying. Ignorance.

[ck4829]

21. According to some anyway, you don't have to listen to the ones who say they aren't the same

[ErikJ]

36. I'd rather not listen to either one.

I'm agnostic.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. busy not existing?

[Orrex]

48. He was apparently busy in Cincinnati.

[Rex]

62. On the other side of the universe, trying to forget about his failed experiments.

Imagine how hard it must be for The Perfect One to make so many horrible mistakes and failures in just a few thousand years?

[Merryland]

2. so f'ing sad. There are no words.

[Autumn]

3. .

[tandot]

4. what a tragedy

How can this not be prevented???

[bjo59]

5. Madeleine Albright would say that this is "the price" the US pays and it is worth it.

US wars of choice have caused a refugee crisis of unimaginable proportions. Obama has vastly expanded what Bush Jr. began. We can be sure that Clinton would vastly expand what Obama continued. The immorality is astounding but what is more immoral, in my view, is the percentage of Americans who don't understand the link between US foreign policy and the creation of millions upon millions of refugees and don't care one way or the other about the the death and destruction their own government is visiting upon foreign lands.

[reACTIONary]

25. The Syrian and lybian civil wars . ...

..... are not US wars of choice, our involvement has been restrained and largely motivated towards containment and humanitarian intervention.

[MattSh]

44. Oh please...

You really believe that?

[reACTIONary]

61. Yes, I do. Our intervention in Lybia saved...

... many, many thousands of lives. Our intervention in Syria has been an important factor in containing the conflict, but a more muscular response, which I assume hillary would have advocated, would probably been much more effective .

[maxsolomon]

57. "Madeline Albright would say", "Vastly Expanded", "We can be sure that",

"Americans... don't care one way or the other".

You're really good at unsupported allegations.

[malaise]

6. Man to man is so unjust

You don't know who to trust

Too sad

[snort]

45. Worst school cheer ever.

[rhett o rick]

7. It's time for a revolution.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

30. Some would say past time.

[philosslayer]

65. Is that sarcasm?

[rhett o rick]

68. Thanks for asking. The rich and powerful have run this country for too long. They have

imprisoned millions of POC for their profits. They have started wars (like Clinton and Iraq) that have made them billions at our expense. You can side with the rich and powerful or the People.

[philosslayer]

69. I just find it ironic...

The countries where these things are happening are having or recently had revolutions.

[Moostache]

8. We are literally watching babies die....where are the pro-lifers?

This is man-made abortion of birthed fetuses....its not "partial birth" abortion, its "post-birth" abortion...and yet, the ardent anti-women, anti-abortion protesters are NO WHERE TO BE SEEN OR HEARD?!?!?!?!?!

The time to be outraged about babies dying is RIGHT NOW.
The place to focus that anger and outrage is on the world's response to the refugees that flee religious extremism and hopeless drought.

Where are the preachers?
Where are the 'activists'?
Where are the teary-eyed white men?
Where are the "X-tians", so offended by abortion?

Where is the "pro-life" movement when life is ended so horribly and so frequently?
Where are they?

I don't expect an answer for the same reason I don't wonder why missing black girls are an after thought but an abducted pretty white girl is a national tragedy.

I don't expect an answer for the same reason I don't wonder why tax cuts for the wealthy don't seem to actually trickle anywhere but in a circle.

I don't expect an answer for the same reason I don't wonder why Republicans are falling in line behind Trump because he will have the (R) behind his name and It's ALWAYS OK If You Are A Republican.

I don't expect an answer for the same reason I don't wonder why people in Kansas are not burning down the statehouse and hunting Brownback in the fields.

The entire world rests on Bullshit Mountain...if we actually DID challenge them for real answers we will end up buried in the ensuing Bull Shit Avalanche.

[JonLeibowitz]

10. Well, as far as "It's ALWAYS OK If You Are a Republican"

I don't expect an answer for the same reason I don't wonder why Republicans are falling in line behind Trump because he will have the (R) behind his name and It's ALWAYS OK If You Are A Republican.

This foreign engagement is the result of Hillary Clinton pushing Obama to get involved. Apparently Democratic voters are OK with it as well.

[blue neen]

13. .

Well-stated.

[mrr303am]

33. Unless they're White Christians, they're not considered to be humans,

thus they don't have the right to live.

[Silver_Witch]

42. Standing ovation

[GaYellowDawg]

56. But see, they're not pro-life. They're pro-birth.

Once the baby's born, they're like "fuck you, junior, use those bootstraps," especially if the baby's not white.

[Duval]

9. No words.

[gregcrawford]

12. No one is acknowledging the elephant in the room...

... namely, that if the community of "responsible nations" acted swiftly and decisively when that psychotic pig, Assad, first started murdering his own people, this refugee crisis would not exist. It's Chamberlain's "Appeasement" in a new suit, and the end result may well be much the same.

[Octafish]

14. ''We think the price is worth it.'' -- Sec. State Madeleine Albright

http://fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/

[Warren DeMontague]

41. Not like people go to hell for that sort of thing.

Millennial women who dare to vote for the wrong candidate in the Democratic Primary, on the other hand....

[Enthusiast]

51. It was worth it because now the entire Middle East is democratic. Yay!

[maxsolomon]

58. 20 years ago, referring to the Iraq sanctions

so you're laying this specific crisis at her feet because of that quote?

[Octafish]

59. No. It just shows their callous attitude toward human life.

Especially in regards to the weakest, the children and other victims of war.

[Rex]

63. Talk has always been cheap.

Actions always speak louder than words.

[Fritz Walter]

15. Here's where I find solace and comfort

Over the past decade or so, I've hosted a few exchange students, including a Muslim (from Indonesia) and several Europeans. I keep in touch with them and their parents, and there's a special bond between parents and host-parents. Not to mention the bond between a host-parent and an exchange student when there's been a good placement.

Through FB and email, thanks to various on-line translation services, two of my exchange students' natural parents let me know what they're doing to support refugees.

One parent -- in Austria -- works directly with refugee children, helping them assimilate into their new communities. He's a saint, IMHO. I spent several weeks visiting his family a couple years ago, and my rusty German language skills were only slightly better than their English fluency. His wife and he showed infinite patience and hospitality to me. (My exchange son, in remarkable wisdom, refused to translate for us, forcing me to learn the language -- and the culture -- on my own. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.)

The other parent is a municipal, elected official in Denmark, and a member of the Conservative Party there. That party's platform on refugees puts the USA Democratic Party to shame when it comes to aiding and supporting refugees, and this Mom is leading the movement to support these families at the local level. During my visit there, she paid me the highest compliment possible to an Army-brat: "You would fit in well here."

But this is not about me.

Yes, it's tragic that so many lives are lost as families flee horrible conditions in their homelands. But, I remind myself that our country was founded and built by people fleeing horrid conditions themselves. (My maternal great grandparents were Irish hunger -- not famine -- immigrants).

My message to others here: host an exchange student. It could eventually prevent -- or at least alleviate -- situations like this.

[greiner3]

47. My parents hosted a Muslim from one of the splinter republics

Of the former Yugoslavia. He went back and my parents never heard back from him. Just another dead teen.

[QC]

19. Help me out here--who was it that pursued "regime change"

in Libya?

I'm drawing a blank on this one.

[GoneOffShore]

32. I'll just post this -

While you wait for answers.

Though you might find the answer here - http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/05/28/hillary-clintons-memoir-deletions-detail

[senz]

52. The hapless migrants are the direct fallout of bad decisions.

[Lars39]

64. I would go further and describe those bad decisions as venal.

Venal
1 : capable of being bought or obtained for money or other valuable consideration : purchasable; especially : open to corrupt influence and especially bribery : mercenary <a venal legislator>

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. Another victim of our eagerness to "spread democrcy".

“What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or in the holy of liberty or democracy?” Mohandas K. Gandhi

[Arazi]

27. Hillary's war in Libya producing the inevitable disastrous effects

Everyone voting for her is supporting her bloodthirsty tragedies which will continue, but on an even bigger scale especially if she gets her Syrian no fly zone proposal implemented

[jeff47]

38. We came, we saw, he died.

It applies to more than Gaddafi.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. Sigh.

[FSogol]

43. Interesting that a roasting pig requires a graphic warning, but a dead baby is A-Ok on DU.

[Feeling the Bern]

46. Hey, Trump. is the Muslim terrorist we need to be afraid, you worthless wanking bunko artist?

[Demonaut]

67. why was the face obscured?

this tragedy needs no censorship