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LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:53 AM May 2016

Here’s why people don’t take right-wing Evangelicals so seriously anymore



Back before 9/11 indelibly linked Islam with terrorism, back before the top association to “Catholic priest” was “pedophile,” most Americans—even nonreligious Americans—thought of religion as benign. I’m not religious myself, people would say, but what’s the harm if it gives someone else a little comfort or pleasure.

Back then, people associated Christianity with kindness and said things like, “That’s not very Christian of him,” when a person acted stingy or mean; and nobody except Evangelical Christians knew the difference between Evangelicalism and more open, inquiring forms of Christianity.

Those days are over. Islam will be forever tainted by Islamist brutalities, by images of bombings, beheadings and burkas. The collar and cassock will forever evoke the image of bishops turning their backs while priests rub themselves on altar boys. And thanks to the fact that American Evangelical leaders sold their congregations to the Republican Party in exchange for political power, Evangelical Christianity is now distinctive—and widely despised.

Another way to put this is that the Evangelical “brand” has gone from being an asset to a liability, and it is helpful to understand the transition in precisely those terms.


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Here’s why people don’t take right-wing Evangelicals so seriously anymore (Original Post) LiberalArkie May 2016 OP
I'm Christian wryter2000 May 2016 #1
Amen, especially if its going to be associated with words of hate that they call the love of God... uponit7771 May 2016 #2
I'm not a religious person, but I feel strongly they give a really bad name to the christian RKP5637 May 2016 #10
+1 hamsterjill May 2016 #23
Let's keep the door open for individuality, even for Hortensis May 2016 #41
Hey! Just a cotton-pickin' minute there! KamaAina May 2016 #45
Well, the one on my lap (requiring me to type on the armrest) Hortensis May 2016 #46
Yes, you are right. hamsterjill May 2016 #48
Me too, Hamsterjil. Evangelicalism was always vulnerable Hortensis May 2016 #52
Thank you, if there is a god or Jesus (heyseuss is how to pronounce that BTW) Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #26
And I love atheists like you wryter2000 May 2016 #32
Ah, warm fuzzies all over. Hortensis May 2016 #47
back atcha wryter2000 May 2016 #49
It's pronounced that way in spanish for a given name. bluesbassman May 2016 #40
Couldn't agree more. Egnever May 2016 #34
I agree with you wryter2000 May 2016 #37
Unfortunately, many of us are Different Drummer May 2016 #42
Hear, hear. I couldn't put up an American flag for the Hortensis May 2016 #50
Well, it's like their God . . .. HughBeaumont May 2016 #3
I thought those xians claimed it was fire scscholar May 2016 #29
God killed all the people on the planet, except Noah and his family. Rex May 2016 #39
We've always been wary of them. Bad Dog May 2016 #4
And for all of the ranting and raving about abortion... JayhawkSD May 2016 #5
If you mean those elected to federal office, sure. Act_of_Reparation May 2016 #6
True, yes, I was referring to federal elections. JayhawkSD May 2016 #7
They don't want to kill their #1 wedge issue Brother Buzz May 2016 #25
Women's healthcare will no longer include unrestricted access 2 any reproductive rights if any GOP Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #27
Yes, George W. proved that to be the case. JayhawkSD May 2016 #33
So Trump wont appoint SC justices 2 do it even though he says he will? Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #38
Revisionist claptrap whatthehey May 2016 #8
I work with several of them Populist_Prole May 2016 #15
Evangelicals? Or Mainliners? whatthehey May 2016 #19
Good post! Different Drummer May 2016 #43
does he smile when he takes crap? Demonaut May 2016 #9
He runs a corporation. Religion, Inc., and makes huge profits like the rest of the con artists. n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #11
Westburrow Baptist libodem May 2016 #12
Bravo SCantiGOP May 2016 #13
I wish that were true, but religion is as alive and well as the corruption it's built for. nt valerief May 2016 #14
Just built another non-denominational one in my tiny town. County is only 11,000 population. LiberalArkie May 2016 #17
Prosperity Gospel purveyors are the worst humans in history. Moostache May 2016 #16
Are you suggesting elljay May 2016 #21
Jesus, protect us from your followers.... perdita9 May 2016 #18
Quote from John Fugelsang Different Drummer May 2016 #44
They've shown just how absurd religious belief actually is... And that's a good thing! cleanhippie May 2016 #20
Remember these two - Jim and Tammy Faye packman May 2016 #22
Jesus rocks? Damn! Now that's a GOOD hustle. GOLGO 13 May 2016 #24
Lewis Grizzard once opined... liberaltrucker May 2016 #30
Jim is still hustling TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #56
All you ever needed to know about religion but were afraid to ask Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #28
The Gospel According to George: May he rest inpeace. N/t. lindysalsagal May 2016 #57
The problem for religion is it is all absurd. Arugula Latte May 2016 #31
The problem with religion is that it's a fairy tale. lindysalsagal May 2016 #58
Thanks for a very good article. Evangelicals have delegitimized and discredited themselves Surya Gayatri May 2016 #35
As the power of old white males declines, so, too, do the fortunes of the GOP and religion. randome May 2016 #36
Ever notice how when they are caught gettin' their lizzards bled, they term it "sex addiction?" Eleanors38 May 2016 #51
Religion thrives when communities can be isolated. Arugula Latte May 2016 #53
It has been decades, I would hope people are smarting up by now to con artists. Rex May 2016 #54
Valerie Tarico must be very young csziggy May 2016 #55
I believe we must choose between the planet and jesus: lindysalsagal May 2016 #59

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
1. I'm Christian
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:11 AM
May 2016

And I'm thrilled with the idea the Evangelical Christians should lose all influence in this country.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
2. Amen, especially if its going to be associated with words of hate that they call the love of God...
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:14 AM
May 2016

... that kind of talk makes me itch to no degree

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
10. I'm not a religious person, but I feel strongly they give a really bad name to the christian
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:00 AM
May 2016

religion. There are some good things, and all they bring to the table is hatred and evilness.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
41. Let's keep the door open for individuality, even for
Fri May 20, 2016, 03:43 PM
May 2016

evangelicals, shall we? I'm surrounded by bible-thumpers, a fair number of whom are about as spiritual as our cat, but here and there are the real thing. People who understand goodness and try very hard to live it. A very few don't even have to try very hard.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
45. Hey! Just a cotton-pickin' minute there!
Fri May 20, 2016, 04:12 PM
May 2016

Cats are very spiritual. During Mom's Transcendental Meditation phase, Elizabeth would come right next to us and assume the feline version of the position.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. Well, the one on my lap (requiring me to type on the armrest)
Fri May 20, 2016, 04:19 PM
May 2016

does have a very zen-like tranquility. I'm not sure that serenity can't be ascribed to her latest flea bath, though.

hamsterjill

(15,222 posts)
48. Yes, you are right.
Fri May 20, 2016, 04:24 PM
May 2016

My bad. But I tend to think of "evangelicals" as the nuttier version of those who claim to be Christian rather than the actual definition of evangelical.

There genuinely are some who some people who are the real thing. I know one or two...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
52. Me too, Hamsterjil. Evangelicalism was always vulnerable
Fri May 20, 2016, 04:40 PM
May 2016

to its tradition of amateur preachers (have I seen some doozies when accompanying friends to church out of curiosity!), but the influences of increasing fundamentalism, dominionism, politicalization to support the moneylenders, and just plain money-driven STOP-THE-SATANIC-LIBERALS-NO-MATTER-WHAT-ISM has definitely earned them the description of "nuttier."

I always hope that hitting bottom will knock some sense into them, but amazingly that hole they've dug seems to be bottomless and, reportedly, few have so far turned away to find new spiritual guidance. Will supporting that nuclear-grade whackadoodle Trump finally finally shock those into realizing they can go no lower?

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
26. Thank you, if there is a god or Jesus (heyseuss is how to pronounce that BTW)
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:51 PM
May 2016

he would or SHE would be proud of you.

I am an atheist but I love Christians like you.

bluesbassman

(19,374 posts)
40. It's pronounced that way in spanish for a given name.
Fri May 20, 2016, 03:38 PM
May 2016

However, if you are referring to the period and geographic name, it was Yeshua and the pronounciation was roughly esho (hard "e&quot .

Like many other languages, Hebrew and Aramiac are often difficult to translate into English.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
34. Couldn't agree more.
Fri May 20, 2016, 02:32 AM
May 2016

It is time for religion in general to eat a big heaping bag of humble pie.

I was a Christian but have not called myself one in years because of the hate spewed by many of the churches. I retain my faith but I will not give it to any church probably ever again.

I think Jesus would be appalled by most of them.

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
37. I agree with you
Fri May 20, 2016, 09:47 AM
May 2016

There are good churches out there. Lots if you live in a liberal area. (I live in Barbara Lee's district

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
50. Hear, hear. I couldn't put up an American flag for the
Fri May 20, 2016, 04:27 PM
May 2016

longest time, even as a Fourth of July symbol, because I wouldn't have it mistaken for support of all the nastiness the far right made it associated wit. Now I can, and we went out and bought one for special occasions because, peculiarly enough, it's now rarely flown and differentiates us from them.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
39. God killed all the people on the planet, except Noah and his family.
Fri May 20, 2016, 11:53 AM
May 2016

With a huge flood...gave them all free will, they got a little naughty and so he drowned one and all plus all the animals on the planet too. Because God loves you.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
4. We've always been wary of them.
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:27 AM
May 2016

Which is why we were more than happy to ship our religious nutters off to the New World. (Sorry for that.)

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
5. And for all of the ranting and raving about abortion...
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:32 AM
May 2016

...and all of the hand wringing about what will happen if a particular candidate is elected, the subject is effectively dropped on the day after the election. Not one single actual piece of legislation has ever been brought to the floor of Congress on the subject, and not one elected President has ever actually sought such legislation.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
6. If you mean those elected to federal office, sure.
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:34 AM
May 2016

State lawmakers, on the other hand, have been assaulting abortion nonstop for decades... rather successfully, actually.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
27. Women's healthcare will no longer include unrestricted access 2 any reproductive rights if any GOP
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:52 PM
May 2016

candidate takes office.

period

times have changed

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
33. Yes, George W. proved that to be the case.
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:24 AM
May 2016

He got all those federal laws passed outlawing women's reproductive rights.

Please. I was paying attention. He didn't even try.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
8. Revisionist claptrap
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:46 AM
May 2016

Evangelicals are shrinking sure BUT with two problems

They are far far away the largest group of Christians in the US (DU apologists who pretend most Christians are the kind gentle tea-sipping garden-party kumbaya type are either suffering from huge confirmation bias and/or confusing "mainline" with "mainstream". Evangelicals are darn close to twice the numbers of mainline denominations.)

They are shrinking way way more slowly than other Christian subsets. Even worse, the only rapidly growing religious subset, that of "unaffiliateds" is roughly equally split between wishy washy new age atheists who are scared to assert that much demonized and misused term, and evangelical fundamentalists so virulent they fall outside even the accepted norms of evangelical denominations; folks to whom the SBC are godless communist backsliders. It's quite likely the whole of wjhat normal people would call fundy Christianity is either growing slightly or staying stable.

The last thing evangelicals are doing is becoming less prominent and powerful. They are actively working to follow the Republican Party path of the last generation - to rebuild the brand, in their case Christianity, into a somewhat smaller but vastly more monolithic, committed and doctrinaire force without thought for compromise or nuance. They are more than willing to see the nation move from 83% as it was when I first started reading these polls to 71% as it is now to 60% as it will likely become Christian in self identification as long as they speak for that crystallized reactionary militant remainder. It's what they want. Just about every fundy I've ever come across will spout John 3:16 on command but lives loves and promulgates Rev 3:16 much more enthusiastically.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
15. I work with several of them
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:11 PM
May 2016

They are thoroughly convinced they represent the majority of what is the "real" America.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
19. Evangelicals? Or Mainliners?
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:23 PM
May 2016

Both are probably similarly convinced so I have to ask.

Unfortunately Evangelicals have a solid argument that they do representt he majority of American Christianity, although the saner portion of those burgeoning unaffiliateds are - barely - keeping them from being an overall national majority so far.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
11. He runs a corporation. Religion, Inc., and makes huge profits like the rest of the con artists. n/t
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:02 AM
May 2016

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
16. Prosperity Gospel purveyors are the worst humans in history.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:12 PM
May 2016

They are worse than genocidal madmen like Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin and their ilk.
They are worse than mass murders like Gacy, Bundy, or Dahmer.
They are worse than racist cops, KKK and skinheads.

Why? (You may be justifiably thinking right here...)

Because all of those other cretins and boils on the ass of humanity are not viewed through a prism of respectability after it is widely KNOWN what they do.

Despots, murderers and racists do not enjoy the cover of respectability that being "religious" has conferred on the likes of Osteen, Meyer, or Hinn.

I personally believe that religion is a cancer on the human race and that to cure it, you must eradicate the cancer completely. Others are more moderate and believe that the religion can be contained and brought down to survivable levels. When I was diagnosed with renal cell carcinoma (kidney cancer) my doctors gave me the option of treatment or surgery. Treatment was seen as very viable but carry risk of return if any of the cells survived. Surgical removal of the tumor at stage 1 was seen as a 95% probability of full recovery and complete removal of the cancer forever.

I chose surgical removal of my tumor and I proscribe surgical removal of the veneer of respectability for religion. I don't care if people masterbate in private....but if they do it in public places it is usually a crime. Until we begin to societally treat religion the same way - maintain everyone's right to private practice of it, but strictly prohibit its use in public (or to justify public bigotry as a 'sincerely held belief'), we are in for a accelerating decline of society.

If you believe that your religion must proselytize to survive, then its time for it to die off. Freedom from religion is more important to a secular world than free of religion. You can believe anything you want in the comfort of your home or mosque or church or temple or sacred moss berm...but once you return to the public square and partake of public commerce, your rights end and the societal rights supercede, period.

Osteen and his ilk are simply reincarnated carnival barkers and snake oil salesmen, nothing more and frequently much, much less

elljay

(1,178 posts)
21. Are you suggesting
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:40 PM
May 2016

that the miracle water I saw advertised on tv by Peter Popoff is fake? I so wanted to get some so I would start getting $5000 checks in the mail every week like the people promoting it. Darn.

Different Drummer

(7,621 posts)
44. Quote from John Fugelsang
Fri May 20, 2016, 04:09 PM
May 2016

"I view Jesus the way I view Elvis - I love the guy, but lots of the fan clubs scare me."

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
22. Remember these two - Jim and Tammy Faye
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:56 PM
May 2016

with their PTL Christian Network ( which they secretly called P ass T he L oot) . He got caught up in a sex scandal and the house of cards fell with disclosures of air-conditioned dog houses, gold plated bathroom fixtures, sex parties, etc.

The one I like was one of those Christian groups selling little pebbles of rock enclosed in a glass trinket - the rock was from the hill where Jesus was supposedly crucified.

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
24. Jesus rocks? Damn! Now that's a GOOD hustle.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:35 PM
May 2016

The Bakers & the Osteen gangs were A+ hustlers. I can respect that kind of game. That Pass The Loot shit is just hilarious. That is pure LAUGHFO!

TexasBushwhacker

(20,202 posts)
56. Jim is still hustling
Fri May 20, 2016, 05:44 PM
May 2016

He got out of prison, got remarried and got back to the preachin' gig. He sells a lot of survivalist stuff on his website too.

https://jimbakkershow.com

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
31. The problem for religion is it is all absurd.
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:20 PM
May 2016

Believers deny basic scientific truth and yet believe cockamamie tall tales from primitive people. There's really no way to say well, Mohammad riding a winged horse to Heaven is a false, but the Jesus resurrection story is totally true. It's all fiction and so obviously mythology.

More and more people are willing to express negative thoughts about religion, and not just the evangelical kind. The Internet is helping people compare notes on the emperor's lack of clothing.

It's more than past time for the harmful veneration of idiotic "faith" to stop in this country.

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
58. The problem with religion is that it's a fairy tale.
Fri May 20, 2016, 10:56 PM
May 2016

What if we put our health care and educational systems in the hands of the Tooth Fairy..?

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
35. Thanks for a very good article. Evangelicals have delegitimized and discredited themselves
Fri May 20, 2016, 08:12 AM
May 2016

by hawking their historical identity to the unholy GOP ogre.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
36. As the power of old white males declines, so, too, do the fortunes of the GOP and religion.
Fri May 20, 2016, 08:25 AM
May 2016

It's all related.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
51. Ever notice how when they are caught gettin' their lizzards bled, they term it "sex addiction?"
Fri May 20, 2016, 04:33 PM
May 2016

The expression implies a legitimate, treatable and forgivable ailment (and on the sly, suggests the poor fellow is a veritable Sultan of Squirt).

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
53. Religion thrives when communities can be isolated.
Fri May 20, 2016, 04:48 PM
May 2016

Your family and neighbors all believe the nonsensical bullshit, so, hey, why wouldn't you?

The Internet is changing that. Luckily.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
55. Valerie Tarico must be very young
Fri May 20, 2016, 05:20 PM
May 2016

Evangelicals were the same sex obsessed, mean, arrogant, fearful, bigoted, lying, greedy, ignorant sacks of shit when I was a kid in the 50s and 60s as they are now. There are no real changes in who they are. They were toxic then and they still are now.

The only major change in the last fifty years is that the Republican Party took them in and adopted their toxic brand of evil as the party platform.

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
59. I believe we must choose between the planet and jesus:
Fri May 20, 2016, 10:59 PM
May 2016

Xtian politics are killing the air, the water, the glaciers, and filling the planet with garbage.

Religion allows fools to avoid responsibility for their actions.

We must choose humanity.

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