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applegrove

(118,696 posts)
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:44 PM May 2016

This is how fascism comes to America

This is how fascism comes to America

By Robert Kagan at the Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/this-is-how-fascism-comes-to-america/2016/05/17/c4e32c58-1c47-11e6-8c7b-6931e66333e7_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

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In such an environment, every political figure confronts a stark choice: Get right with the leader and his mass following or get run over. The human race in such circumstances breaks down into predictable categories — and democratic politicians are the most predictable. There are those whose ambition leads them to jump on the bandwagon. They praise the leader’s incoherent speeches as the beginning of wisdom, hoping he will reward them with a plum post in the new order. There are those who merely hope to survive. Their consciences won’t let them curry favor so shamelessly, so they mumble their pledges of support, like the victims in Stalin’s show trials, perhaps not realizing that the leader and his followers will get them in the end anyway.

A great number will simply kid themselves, refusing to admit that something very different from the usual politics is afoot. Let the storm pass, they insist, and then we can pick up the pieces, rebuild and get back to normal. Meanwhile, don’t alienate the leader’s mass following. After all, they are voters and will need to brought back into the fold. As for Trump himself, let’s shape him, advise him, steer him in the right direction and, not incidentally, save our political skins.

What these people do not or will not see is that, once in power, Trump will owe them and their party nothing. He will have ridden to power despite the party, catapulted into the White House by a mass following devoted only to him. By then that following will have grown dramatically. Today, less than 5 percent of eligible voters have voted for Trump. But if he wins the election, his legions will comprise a majority of the nation. Imagine the power he would wield then. In addition to all that comes from being the leader of a mass following, he would also have the immense powers of the American presidency at his command: the Justice Department, the FBI, the intelligence services, the military. Who would dare to oppose him then? Certainly not a Republican Party that laid down before him even when he was comparatively weak. And is a man like Trump, with infinitely greater power in his hands, likely to become more humble, more judicious, more generous, less vengeful than he is today, than he has been his whole life? Does vast power un-corrupt?

This is how fascism comes to America, not with jackboots and salutes (although there have been salutes, and a whiff of violence) but with a television huckster, a phony billionaire, a textbook egomaniac “tapping into” popular resentments and insecurities, and with an entire national political party — out of ambition or blind party loyalty, or simply out of fear — falling into line behind him.






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This is how fascism comes to America (Original Post) applegrove May 2016 OP
Fascism. AngryAmish May 2016 #1
kick . . .n/t annabanana May 2016 #2
GOP has created the angry base by not being for the economic best interest of the base. The base applegrove May 2016 #3
K&R... spanone May 2016 #4
Wait, let me get this straight. So the reason he's a terrible choice isn't because... Shandris May 2016 #5
Kagan would know. Octafish May 2016 #6
How fascism comes to America. Manifestor_of_Light May 2016 #7
K&R Jeffersons Ghost May 2016 #8
Is this Kagan the neocon? wtf JEB May 2016 #9
While this article is laughable Egnever May 2016 #10
Trying to initmidate Donald. There sure is a battle for who is going to control the Donald: the GOP applegrove May 2016 #11
It is always fear Egnever May 2016 #12
Robert Kagan Angel Martin May 2016 #13
He was a Republican for all those years but endosed Clinton in Feb? Sure. I've heard of neocons applegrove May 2016 #14
That is priceless. nt bemildred May 2016 #15
K&R. nt DLevine May 2016 #16
They talk about Neville Chamberlain appeasing Hitler Shankapotomus May 2016 #17
Oh which to choose? Regular Fascism or the Corporate Fascism? Hobson's choice. Katashi_itto May 2016 #18

applegrove

(118,696 posts)
3. GOP has created the angry base by not being for the economic best interest of the base. The base
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:18 PM
May 2016

chooses Trump who can read a crowd. The GOP give in. Then Trump does. Which of those two will actually be running the Presidency if he gets elected President? We do not know. I hope the base gets that.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
5. Wait, let me get this straight. So the reason he's a terrible choice isn't because...
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:22 PM
May 2016

...he's literally Hitler (but he totally is, just wait!), it isn't because he's a clown, it isn't because he's very bigoted, if not outright racist and sexist...it's because he won't owe the powerbrokers anything?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

WOW.

Now that's some world-class cajones there. "No, see, the Establishment is here to PROTECT you!" Holy f'in crap.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
6. Kagan would know.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:29 PM
May 2016

Old PNAC Money.



Our woman in Ukraine, Victoria Nuland, is married to PNAC co-founder Robert Kagan

Robert Kagan's brother is Frederick Kagan

Frederick Kagan's spouse is Kimberly Kagan

Brilliant people, big ideas, etc. The thing is, that's a lot of PNAC. And the PNAC approach to international relations means more wars without end for profits without cease, among other things detrimental to democracy, peace and justice.


 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
7. How fascism comes to America.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:40 PM
May 2016


"Fascism will come to America in the guise of patriotism." -- Huey P. Long, Governor of Louisiana, 1928-1932 (1893-1935)




applegrove

(118,696 posts)
11. Trying to initmidate Donald. There sure is a battle for who is going to control the Donald: the GOP
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:25 PM
May 2016

Last edited Thu May 19, 2016, 09:48 PM - Edit history (10)

or the Donald. Of course the base has to be diminished for going rogue. Meanwhile the GOP has paid trolls rat*****ing the Democrats. The GOP/neocons truly hates the people. Freedom. And people thinking for themselves. Andrew Sullivan did a piece last week on the dangers of mob rule. The chinese people have been schooled on the dangers of mob rule too. My brother had a chinese student living with him. Smart guy. But tell him the Tamil Canadians were demonstrating on Parliament Hill ten blocks away from my brother's neighbourhood and he was terrified. That is how the Chinese Government keeps true democracy at bay. Seems this is how the GOP/neocons will try and get back in control of the base: another kind of fear. Or they hope fear of mob rule will Trump Trump's relationship to the base and trump people's fears of economic insecurity.

applegrove

(118,696 posts)
14. He was a Republican for all those years but endosed Clinton in Feb? Sure. I've heard of neocons
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:54 AM
May 2016

reaching out their tentacles to usurp the thinking of those they deem powerful. Befriending them. Targeting them. Why would Kagan be any different?

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