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http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/2016/05/16/burlington-college-shut-down-programs/84439890/
....The college's Board of Trustees voted on Friday to close the school's programs effective May 27.
Holm said the college faltered under the "crushing weight of the debt" incurred after the school in 2010 purchased 32 acres of lakefront property from the Archdiocese of Burlington.
She added that the college's lender in April told Burlington College it would not renew the school's line of credit.
The college's accrediting agency, the New England Association of Schools and Colleges, will likely decide against re-accrediting the school, Holm said. Burlington College has been on probation since 2014 for having insufficient financial resources.
Holm said current Burlington College students will be able to finish their degrees at nearby institutions.
Burlington College held a commencement ceremony for the class of 2016 on Saturday.
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Ex Lurker
(3,814 posts)The academic inflationary bubble is bursting.
MADem
(135,425 posts)This was a boutique school for "different" learners and dabblers, not a mainstream establishment for someone looking for serious, real-world academic prep in a post HS environment. They tried to grow, using sketchy financials, like they were a "regular" school that had a rigorous academic tradition. They just didn't have a) the academic reputation or b) the audience to make that growth practical or even reasonable. There's a limited audience for "degrees" in wood carving, e.g.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)It contributed a lot to the community. And Jane Sanders bears a significant amount of responsibility.
MADem
(135,425 posts)as well as students who are contributing to the economic base of the town, it will have an impact.
Also, the question now is, who will acquire that real estate? We know that the ill-advised and poorly justified purchase from the Catholics (which was, as you note, the beginning of the end for that place) has already been shifted, but the school itself is now going to stand empty unless it can find a mission.
cali
(114,904 posts)student body. Always was that way.
No, it won't have much of an economic impact. And that is a hot property.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I've known a few parents who stashed their underperforming children up there. They do (or did) have a dorm, so it wasn't a part-time/working exercise.
https://burlington.edu/campus-life/services/student-housing/housing-options/
cali
(114,904 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)The average first-year student is 18 years old and the average age of the full-time population is 23 years old. The College also attracts a number of transfer and part-time students which brings the average age of the entire student body to 26. This is indicative of our diverse, non-traditional student body.
https://burlington.edu/admissions/burlington-college-difference/faq/
George II
(67,782 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)They filled in with some part timers bringing the average age to 26. It was CALI, not me, averring that the student body was mostly adult part timers--the school doesn't say that.
This school wasn't cheap, it was provisionally accredited, and it's a poor bargain if you want a degree that you can use to find work.
jehop61
(1,735 posts)Ask Jane Sanders about this?
MADem
(135,425 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)Adding Up the Costs of Hillary Clinton’s Wars
...Clinton, along with Samantha Power, the U.S. ambassador to the UN, and Susan Rice, the Obama administration’s national security advisor, has pushed for muscular interventions without thinking — or caring — about the consequences.
And those consequences have been dire.
Afghanistan: Somewhere around 220,000 Afghans have died since the 2001 U.S. invasion, and millions of others are refugees. The U.S. and its allies have suffered close to 2,500 dead and more than 20,000 wounded, and the war is far from over. The cost to the treasury alone runs close to $700 billion, not counting long-term medical bill that could run as high as $2 trillion.
Libya: Some 30,000 people died and another 50,000 were wounded in the intervention and civil war. Hundreds of thousands have been turned into refugees. The cost to Washington was cheap at a cool $1.1 billion, but the war and subsequent instability created a tsunami of weapons and refugees — and the fighting continues. It also produced one of Clinton’s more tasteless remarks. Referring to Gaddafi, she said, “We came, we saw, he died.” The Libyan leader was executed by having a bayonet rammed up his rectum.
Ukraine: The death toll now exceeds 8,000, some 18,000 have been wounded, and several cities in the eastern part of the country have been heavily damaged. The fighting has tapered off, although tensions remain high.
Yemen: Over 6,000 Yemenis have been killed and another 27,000 wounded. According to the UN, most of them are civilians. Ten million Yeminis don’t have enough to eat, and 13 million have no access to clean water. Yemen is highly dependent on imported food, but a U.S.-Saudi blockade has choked off most imports. The war is ongoing.
Iraq: Anywhere from 400,000 to over 1 million people have died from war-related causes since the 2003 invasion. Over 2 million have fled the country and another 2 million are internally displaced. The cost: close to $1 trillion, but it may rise to $4 trillion once all the long-term medical costs are added in. The war grinds on its latest incarnation: a bloody turf war with the Islamic State, which emerged from the Sunni insurgency against the U.S.-installed government.
Syria: Over 250,000 have died in the war, and half the country’s population has been displaced — including four million Syrian refugees abroad. The country’s major cities have been ravaged. The war, like the others, is ongoing.
There are other countries — like Somalia — that one could add to the butcher bill. Then there are the countries that reaped the fallout from the collapse of Libya. Weapons looted after the fall of Gaddafi largely fuel the wars in Mali, Niger, and the Central African Republic.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/03/adding-costs-hillary-clintons-wars
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... the inevitable "But what about HER!?!" response.
MADem
(135,425 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Or you can kick mine with unrelated stuff that has nothing to do with the subject.
Burlington College is still closing, no matter how many paragraphs you write (and I won't read).
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)In late April, the college’s lender, People’s United Bank, notified the college that it was pulling Burlington’s line of credit, Ms. Holm said during a news conference on Monday.
The institution has been rife with discontent in recent years over the handling of its finances. Opposition became so great in 2014 that the college’s then president suddenly resigned after her car was surrounded by protesting students. The college’s accreditor, the New England Association of Schools and Colleges, had put it on probation.
The Board of Trustees voted unanimously on Friday to shut down the college, said the president, Carol A. Moore.
http://chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/burlington-college-will-close-citing-longstanding-financial-woes/111351
onehandle
(51,122 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)spots.
obamanut2012
(26,079 posts)Wow.
How sad this was allowed to happen. Totally preventable.
MADem
(135,425 posts)the rug could be pulled out at any moment. Here is the entire graduating class of 2016.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)
MADem
(135,425 posts)More from the Chronicle of Higher Education.
George II
(67,782 posts)
Bonx
(2,053 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Real estate deal brokered by Bernie Sanders' wife sinks Vermont college
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/burlington-college-jane-sanders-close-223222#ixzz48r7cxRaI
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MADem
(135,425 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)I'm shocked. Shocked! 
MADem
(135,425 posts)That is in their statement.
They held a news conference this afternoon.
They declined to comment about her, specifically or the fraud investigation.
See: http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/2016/05/16/burlington-college-shut-down-programs/84439890/
Burlington College will close later this month, the school announced Monday, citing the "crushing weight of debt" as the reason.... Moore and Dean of Operations and Advancement Coralee Holm said they were "heartbroken" to announce the college's closure. Holm said about 30 faculty and staff, including herself, will lose their jobs. Holm added the state Department of Labor will assist former employees with finding new careers.
...Founded in 1972 as an informal gathering of students, Burlington College grew into a small, regionally accredited liberal arts college. But financial strain and academic probation created by an ambitious but ill-fated expansion under then-President Jane Sanders onto a new campus on prime waterfront land led to its demise, officials said.
Holm and Moore declined to criticize Sanders, who served as president from 2004 to 2011.
But in a statement Monday morning, the college cited a the "crushing weight" of debt from the land deal as a primary reason for the school's closure.
Holm suggested the college’s plan to pay for the waterfront campus was unachievable.....In response to reporters' questions about a law enforcement probe into the college's finances, Holm and Moore declined to comment.
glowing
(12,233 posts)A board of trustees is supposed to oversee the financials of a school. They shouldn't have signed off on a real estate investment if their credit was shaky; especially after the 2008-2009 economy crash. If they weren't able to offer scholarships or gain more students to offset costs, then expanding their space wasn't a good idea. If it's waterfront, I'm sure they could sell it to pay off their debts.
As far as schools go, UVM, VT's only University and is the popular school in Burlington. Ima actually surprised there was another college in that city? I never knew about it. Sounds a lot like it was a Marlboro College in size and finances.
All the way around, it sounds like the school decided to invest in the romantic idea of expansion without being able to expand their student population or class offerings for students to choose attending. I don't know enough about the entire situation to say one way or the other who was at fault? Sander's for setting up the "buy", or the trustee board for signing off on the plan? Or who gained the biggest financial sums from the idea? Or if it was even about money? Or about expansion and viability and investing in an expansion? I wouldn't think that this has been the only small college to have to shutter their doors because of financial stress. Many middle class families are becoming shut out of the opportunity to afford to send their children to college as well. Perhaps "free college, university, and technical schools" would be a better path for the United States to choose for the country to remain globally competitive with a world that does value their competitive place in the global economy and invests in their youth and higher education.
I simply do not understand why at 16, we don't have our kids either entering a "tech" type of program for skilled labor or entering a "college" type of curriculum. From there, those who test well and have a career path that would need higher education like a Dr or lawyer or scientist, would be able to continue on with more education. Our inflexibility and outdated teaching models are one of the many reasons we will lose jobs to the global market. Not investing in research and development is absolutely astounding for this day in age... Shoot, look at Japan and Cina, they even invest in sex robots. We also need people to enter and learn trades as well as farming (and be given start up funds and land) to be able to produce our food in a sustainable manner. The Monsanto manner with its nutrient stripping of soil, dumping of harmful chemicals, and run off into the watershed around the farms, is unsustainable.
It's absolutely ridiculous how rigid this country is in doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results. It's disgusting how our politicians are owned by corporations and wealthy people. It's disgusting that everything is crumbling around us, the cost of everything is always increasing, there is work that needs to be done all around us that we all see, and yet nothing changes, nothing gets better for the average American family, and it looks like the next President is wanting to start another war. Clinton is saying she wants Bill to work on economic issues; I guess she will be focusing on CiC as we head to war with Iran? Trump just wants to drop a bomb on anyone who picks on his hair or small hands. What a deplorable mess this country has become in terms of having a vision of any kind, of taking care of its people, of having any sort of moral direction... What a mess!
MADem
(135,425 posts)The security against the loans was falsified, frankly. That's why the bank took the scheme on--because they were lied to about how much security the school held. Once the deal was made, the trustees were stuck when it became clear that they didn't actually HAVE the backing that Jane said they had (and signed on the dotted line about). This is why she was "let go."
You do understand this is not a normal college. There are no grades, and people get degrees in "woodcarving" and "expressive arts"--it's all very free-form with a one to six professor/student ratio. It's "alternative" and it's also a great place for a poor academic performer to learn in a less challenging environment. If you are foreign and want your kid to learn English through immersion, for example, this is a good place to do it.
As for college and post HS education, the trend is towards MORE schooling, not less--keep those kiddies kiddies longer! Nowadays, students go for FIVE years at many schools, with college classes interdispersed with work-study programs and internships that last a full semester. And that's AFTER a GAP year!! A kid can be pushing 25 before they see a bachelor's, nowadays. Then, if they go for a masters/Ph.D., they can be well on their way to 30 before they head out into the real world and take a j-o-b.
I agree that there's much that could be improved in our country, but I don't agree that the cost of EVERYTHING is going up. Gas is half what I was paying when George Bush was POTUS. And the cost of cheese in the supermart (we buy a lot of cheese and when the price goes up, I crab about it) has come down since the Bush days, too. In fact, most of our groceries have stayed the same in price and some are slightly less expensive (mind, I live in MA and prices here are way better than, say, DC). I just got a notice in the mail that they're lowering my electric bill for six months by sixteen percent, too. I remember the economy being pretty good under Clinton, and my personal sense, in terms of my spending, is that it's getting better in some regards under Obama. I suppose if I were wealthy and living off the interest of my fortune (LOL) I'd be irritated, but that's not my life.
I don't think anyone wants more war--that's just a campaign game. There may be differences in opinion WRT how to secure the peace, but Clinton will carrot/stick Iran--believe me, there are forces in Iran who are eager for more openness, and the Guardians are old, tired men who aren't getting any younger. Most of the people living in Iran were not even ALIVE when Shah was in power. What is front-and-center to us is not as important to them--their Great Shatan irritation with us had as much to do with sanctions/interference with their nuclear aspirations and their desire to extend their influence all the way to the Levant as anything else. The Shah isn't on their front page anymore--they trot him out to beat like a dirty rug every now and again, but the kids don't care.
Trump is a moron, and it is my firm belief that politicians who say they support him with a rictus smile on their faces will, in fact, vote for his opponent when the rubber meets the road. I think the election will go for Clinton in the general, and it will be a solid win, simply because there's no worse candidate in the world than The Donald. Her challenge will be to deliver like HELL in her first four years, because next time around, the GOP will look for a better candidate to put up against her than TRUMP, the Fart That Roared.
glowing
(12,233 posts)I was in the generation that was in high school when and college when Vlinto was in office. I graduated spring of 2001 into a world where my degree in marine scienc and environmental science was essentially defunct. I seriously would have personally seen a better life's outcome under a President Gore.
I think if you are essentially in my age bracket, 40/ 45 and younger, we were literally the beginning of the next generation of average Americans having a worse expected life quality than our parents. A degree was a must, and a job not guaranteed. Along with jobs being at the most 10 or 15yrs, before having to seek a new profession or company. We did NOT actually physically see the monetary gains of the middle class in the 90's. We were still living off our parents for the most part. Now, we have children, and there is an even worse quality of life expected for them. I think if I was just 10yrs older, I would be in a more secure financial situation and would probably have a better job and monetary income.
I literally can't afford to continue another 8yrs of conning jobs together becaus this country's priorities are too corporate welfare and the MIC (half of all discretionary spending is MIC.. We don't need it). When you look at campaign financing, and past records for those who are actual politicians, we can see just how skewed their "friendships" with lobbying firms and big corporations and wall St is screwing the rest of us over. I'm literally making the same amount of money I did during the economic "crash" and the cut backs we had to take to stay employed as I do now when the profits are nearly doubled from that time period.
It's honest to God, time for the 99% get a fair shake. Or maybe just realize that the economic theory of capitalism is absolutely dead. That it's immoral, it's destroying our planet, and it values things over life. It doesn't work. It hurts so many people every single day. And for what reason? So an investor can place more $0's behind behind a number in a bank account? Serious as a heart attack, how can one person justify buying a million dollar bomb over feeding children living in poverty? How can one politician justify cutting HUD and SNAP benefits, while simultaneously giving another corporate loophole to a company making billions of dollars in profits? How!?!?
I'm so disheartened that the Democratic Party has a progressive candidate like Bernie standing up to run a campaign and take on the establishment from big corporate companies, to the MIC, to corporate media, to regular high dollar, Super PAC/ lobbyist manners of competing as a politician, and we throw the chance away for an establishment candidate whose husband's presidential reign triangulated the hell out of our party and created some of the very economic nightmares many are facing today... And that the plan is to hand the "economic issues" back to him as "First Dude". Really. This isn't the 1990's. It's 2016, and the challenges we are facing in this century are humongous if we seriously wish to have humans living on the planet in the future.
I speak to and with a lot of people from all over this country and from all ethnic backgrounds, etc., on a daily basis. And from what I get a general sense of from 40 and younger; especially 30 and younger, is the acceptance of the statement I made previously, "Capitalism is Dead". Socialism as a concept isn't a scary bogey man (and no, not an ONLY socialism economic practice). It just makes sense to have a basic idea of entitlement, or basic human needs that should be met for everyone who lives in this country. Those would be clean food, water, air; safe adequate housing; education; and health care. These basic principles should be a "free" or "common good" item for everyone to have. As far as life worth living in a modern world with technologies that can literally replace much of our manual and computing labor and increase productivity in ways that couldn't be achieved even 50yrs ago. There is no reason that a "work week" couldn't be reduced to 20 or 30 hrs a week. That we have mandatory vacation, paid time off. That we have paid maternity and paternity leave. That we have nationalized daycare and pre-schools. That our education is designed around having 16 and older kids learning a trade or studying science or math or art. That we value art and music and acting in a manner that people can make a "living" from offering the world beauty and thought and ideas/ ideals. That we value historians and philosophy and psychology. That we can still be silly and watch TMZ, but also support people rising up to demand their rights.
And yeah, we still have dumb asses in the younger generations that were taught to hate and be bigots and are proud to be stupid, but not as many who are old asses watching Fox News. issues of being paid the same amounts as our male counterparts aren't as resoundingly high as they were for our Moms, we are all getting screwed over at the same low paying rates. I think socially, we all tend to be far more accepting of one another as a whole, however the Internet has made us tend to be snarky and mean in 140 characters or less.
As a woman, is love to see a woman President. I wish we had Elizabeth Warren to vote for. But she didn't and Clinton absolutely terrifies me based on her record in the senate and as Secretary of State... Plus we've seen how the DNC and many Of the Demicratic base ignores these items and gives unambiguous support to this woman. Will enough democrats protest against he cuts to social security, accepting the TPP, expanding fracking, giving larger tax breaks to wealthy donors, more deregulation, and a heavily expanded presence in the ME in partnership with Israeli NeoCons and Whabbi extremists from Saudi? What will it take for the Democratic base to tell her no? Or would they defend and beat down anyone from the "progressive" side who said NO!!! Will it be like 2000 when Bush was selected and Reoublicans made it hard to claim liberalism as an ideal of being a part of the Democratic Party; especially after 9/11 and the drumbeat for war was extreme. And honestly, after seeing the establishment crap that has been pulled in Bernie, I understand why Warren didn't feel she had a chance to compete agains the Clinton Machine and be successful.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He's an enabler of the MIC like everyone else. If you think the price of a bomb could feed a lot of kids, you should see the price tag on one of his beloved F-35s. He never met a war he didn't like--he voted against the IWR, but before that, he voted not once, but twice, for regime change in Iraq (which is not done by asking politely). He never failed to vote to fund the war (and if everyone voted NO, the Big Lie that the troops would not be fed would not come to pass--they'd be fed and paid at continuing resolution levels, i.e., the same as last year). He's a fan of drones. Several of his staff QUIT over what they perceived as his pro-war stances.
Bernie Sanders' Troubling History of Supporting U.S. Military Violence Abroad
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-troubling-history-supporting-us-military-violence-abroad
He can't make change, he can't lead--he can't even get hardly anyone in the Senate or the House to serve as a super delegate for him. Heck, he can turn out big crowds (fun night out) but he is behind by MILLIONS in the popular vote. He wins small states, and "caucus" states. If you can't turn out voters, you don't get elected. If you can't get the legislators on your OWN team to back you, you aren't going to get them to vote for your ideas.
If you'd seen how tough the Warren Senate campaign was, you'd see why she wasn't anxious to contemplate a national run. She took a lot of ugly racist and sexist shit. It was brutal and it was neck-and-neck through much of the race; she was battling a very smarmy bro-y incumbent whose qualifications included his gun ownership and the fact that he wore a barn coat and drove a truck. Also, I don't think she wants to focus on international issues beyond the economic. Her focus is Wall St, her interests are how the economy affects average Americans--she is not terribly interested in the rest of the POTUS portfolio. She knows her wheelhouse, I think, and she knows that she's got a lot of clout right where she is.
glowing
(12,233 posts)years and years. Has he taken money into the state for MIC projects, yes, it's expected as someone who is representing the state and industry within that state. Would he prefer to ask for funding for different projects that the govt funds like it does the MIC, hell yes.
There isn't one thing in my post that said, Bernie Sanders is the "Savior". In fact, I know he isn't. Even if he was elected into the Office of the Presidency, it would take EXTREME amounts of pressure from the public to insist that congress pass progressive legislature. He and many of us would love to have a Medicare for All healthcare structure in the United States. It's very doubtful that he could get an absolute change such as that immediately, but perhaps, we could get the Public Option and the ability for Medicare and Medicaid to actually negotiate prescription drug costs. Also, to utilize the FDA in a manner that is more helpful in protecting the American people, rather than allowing a new study and targeted ailment relief to insulate an older drug from becoming "generic" for cheaper costs.'' Having someone in the Presidents office that isn't beholden to the drug companies and insurance companies is a big deal for the entire bill, fight, and the idea of working for the citizens of this country in the best manner possible. This is just one example of the discussions we could be having in the country instead of hearing what we can't do... OR even worse, cutting funding for programs.
NOTHING in the entire selection that I wrote was about "Savior" anything. I actually was writing about the idea of Capitalism essentially being dead. The idea that Wall St or modern day banking as we see it now, creates nothing and causes harm, conflict, and death around the globe. The idea that our technological advances, coupled with the idea of basic living guarantees as human rights (such as access to clean air, water food, access to housing, access to free education (i.e. "paid" maternity/ paternity leave, daycare with professionally paid and with quality daycare, preschool, and higher education and vocation training), and access to healthcare needs as a guaranteed right). We live on a planet with finite resources. Our economy is based 70% on consuming these resources. We don't need more MIC! We need to take much of that money and allocate it into green energy, infrastructure building and re-modeling, and taking ourselves of of oil resources much like we tackled the "space race".
For me, the ability for the 99% to have an actual voice in the White House would make a huge difference in the tone of the country, the agenda set forth, the idea of diplomacy first and military anything, absolutely the last choice ever. Trying his very best to reduce the MIC budget spending to maybe 40% of discretionary budgeting or maybe reduce it down to 25% of the budget? The Veterans deserve a bit more of that budget for when they come back from fighting these wars. Education, research and development should be increased drastically to catch up with the rest of the world in a competitive market. Closing tax loopholes, shoring up free trade agreements into fair trade agreements. Encouraging the UN and other countries to pressure developing countries to institute environmental regulations, worker rights regulations, and foster actual democratic govt's in regions that we allow foreign product to hit our "markets". If we can shore up some of these "human rights" for people in this country and abroad, we can perhaps begin to discuss how the future will look with the eventual collapse of the "capitalistic economic model" the world is operating under (and we know that isn't even truly a capitalistic/ libertarian/ free market when the wealthiest/ largest corporations have to buy into govt to rig the rules in their favor). I think my main point is the idea and discussion of what the new living model/ economic model will look like into the future, and how we attain human rights with human need for competitive drive within our genetic makeup?
MADem
(135,425 posts)A voice--or sixty or more percent of 535 voices--in both chambers of the legislature is more like it. Thing is, when you poll people, they say a) Congress SUCKS, but b) My Congressman isn't too bad, and c) I like one or both of my Senators.
And Sanders? He has no coattails. He has no ability to work/play well with his peers now--you think that's going to magically change if lighting strikes and he becomes POTUS? Fuggedaboutit. He doesn't like them, and they return the favor. They aren't going to bend their arcs towards him, and he's not a compromiser (or at least that is what he claims) so nothing would get done with him in the WH. It would be a four year exercise in failure, and he'd be banished like a bad mistake.
There's not going to be any "revolution." We had one over 200 years ago so we don't have to do that again. Our system is an incremental one, and it relies on US -- not "those politicians" -- to make it work. We do this by voting, by supporting candidates that share our values at all levels of government (not just POTUS/every four years), not by going to rallies and eschewing the electoral process.
glowing
(12,233 posts)By the way, if the person sitting at the head of govt doesn't matter, why is not Donald Trump for President?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)did not accurately show the status of the pledges to the College? How do you know she wasn't also misleading the Trustees?
glowing
(12,233 posts)I think everyone here and there have political enemies or those that don't like another. So, trying to get them on "something", rather than having a pretty clean deal record of living, is something that happens.
Now, if we are supposedly comparing records of the spouses of Presidential candidates now, then I guess we should be addressing the fact that Bill Clinton was impeached, brought us NAFTA, deregulated the banks and Wall St, didn't regulate derivatives, ended Welfard as we know it. And since leaving office, has paled around with the likes of a pedophile, has taken millions of dollars for speaking fees, has created a foundation that receives large sums of money from countries with human rights violations... And it might be more relevant to voters because his wife has stated that she's going to give him economic issues to preside over.
George II
(67,782 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)just the RW one.
George II
(67,782 posts)....it was updated about 3:50 and again 6:15 this afternoon.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts) KamaAina
(78,249 posts)
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)when the college says essentially the same thing. 
Bad financial decision-making and Jane Sanders was in charge at the time.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)would be really interesting. What is their motivation for this attack? Why are they doing this? Who are they doing it for? Their timing is suspicious.
George II
(67,782 posts)....time to plan where else to go. Suspicious?
MADem
(135,425 posts)renewed. The reason is that they've been in financial peril for far too long. Their interests are not just academic, they want to make sure that kids don't get ripped off or left in the lurch.
George II
(67,782 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)to the college.
I think, after they let Jane go, they cut her loose as soon as they were able. Her name is Carina Driscoll (that was Jane's first husband's name).
7 Days and some of the other local publications had some detail on it...the guy griping about it is no friend of Sanders (which is pretty clear from the article):
http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/jane-says-sanders-secret-weapon-or-a-political-liability/Content?oid=2670992
Vanity Fair also touched on this: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/01/bernie-sanders-family-money
Fair Warning and full "Consider The Source" disclosure--they cite a (virulently) right wing source for some of their information (like how much Driscoll was paid and how the relationship between the daughter and the school was severed after Sanders departed). Jeff Weaver, who is rather famous for his snarling counterattacks, did the lies/damned lies routine but didn't really refute any of it beyond that. I suspect there might be some truth and some innuendo in this telling:
At their website (the school's) they still list her on the faculty. Hard to know if they just haven't updated the site in years, or what:
https://burlington.edu/discover/administration/faculty-staff/carina-driscoll
DIRECTOR, WOODWORKING PROGRAM
Carina Driscoll
Carina was motivated to found the Vermont Woodworking School by her desire to ensure a solid future for the fine-furniture and wood products industry in Vermont. Creating a the school, developing the curriculum, and forging an alliance with the Guild of Vermont Furniture Makers is about the mission to ensure time honored traditions of woodworking and furniture-making are passed on to future generations. Driscoll also facilitated the development of Burlington College’s curriculum offered at the Vermont Woodworking School.
Carina was recently honored by Vermont Works for Women's Labor of Love for her "entrepreneurial nature and strong leadership skills as key factors that led to the founding of the school. In addition to being ambitious, bright, and a positive leader, her ability to bring people in to participate in creating Vermont Woodworking School, utilize their strengths, and recognize them as an important part of something bigger differentiates her from others in her field.”
I found a cite that says she got that honor back in March of 2012, so I suspect that the information at the website is old/outdated: http://vtworksforwomen.org/laborofloveblog/
George II
(67,782 posts)That family sure has chutzpah, huh?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Four years ago is not really recent!
Maybe they let the IT guy go when they had to make economies??
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)esp Jane
MADem
(135,425 posts)Of course, by the time they get down in the weeds in terms of the investigation, the POTUS race will be all over but the tears.
If a Republican decides to challenge Sanders in 2018 (that's assuming he decides to run for his seat again), this kind of stuff will be fodder for oppo ads.
lunamagica
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